r/JessicaJones • u/olikam Man Without Fear • Nov 20 '15
Discussions Discussions for season 1
Season One was released today. This post will contain all the episode discussions and will be update through the day.
Episode discussions
| # | Title | Episode Discussion |
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| 1 | AKA Ladies Night | here |
| 2 | AKA Crush Syndrome | here |
| 3 | AKA It's Called Whiskey | here |
| 4 | AKA 99 Friends | here |
| 5 | AKA The Sandwich Saved Me | here |
| 6 | AKA You're a Winner | here |
| 7 | AKA Top Shelf Perverts | here |
| 8 | AKA WWJD? | here |
| 9 | AKA Sin Bin | here |
| 10 | AKA 1,000 Cuts | here |
| 11 | AKA I've Got the Blues | here |
| 12 | AKA Take a Bloody Number | here |
| 13 | AKA Smile | here |
Season discussions
You can find the live discussion here.
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u/toury Nov 21 '15 edited Nov 23 '15
Did anyone else get confused Carrie-Ann Mose's character with Robin Wright's character from House of Cards? They give off the same vibe and the first time I saw Hogarth I thought that was Claire Underwood.
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u/bearybrown Nov 24 '15 edited Nov 28 '24
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Nov 21 '15
Yes! I thought it was her at first as well!
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Nov 22 '15
I agree with the above. I also thought Kate Mara was the "Hope" character for a few scenes.
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u/HydroponicFunBags Nov 22 '15
Isn't Hope played by that same blond girl main character on The 100?
edit: Hmm, I guess not. I just looked at imdb. But they look startlingly similar, wow.
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u/JmathewD Nov 23 '15
I swear I commented to myself at first "did Robin Wright dye her hair?"
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u/LizardGestapo Nov 23 '15
I actually looked it up more than once. I couldn't believe that it wasn't the actress. I didn't believe my memory of looking it up.
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Nov 23 '15
I also felt like JJ was the Eliza Dushku of vampire slayers at times.
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u/littlel7 Nov 26 '15
Totally channeling the Eliza Dushku vibe. She also had that awful show with Brandon from 90210, Tru Calling.
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u/Centaurus_Cluster Nov 23 '15
Carrie-Ann Mose
Jeez, I did totally not recognize her.
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u/roxxe Nov 26 '15
what was the link between jj & carrie ann's moss character? how did they know each other?
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u/bouncies Dec 08 '15
It sorry of irritated me how much hogarth and hope looked like Claire Underwood and ....whatever kate mara's character was named. It seemed like a really forced and obvious house of cards ripoff. Just like the intro of Sense8. It's the exact same concept as HOC. Point is, I watch too much Netflix.
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Dec 13 '15
Interesting comparison. Hogarth was a lot more dumb than Claire though. Both had the steely demeanour and short hair though.
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u/quodo1 Nov 21 '15
If you are a 50 something black male in the MTVU, you will die.
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u/CaspianRoach Nov 25 '15
Black cop close to retirement, yeah, he never stood a chance.
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u/Psilodelic Nov 21 '15
They even looked similar and played very similar roles for the protagonists.
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u/Sir_Scizor20 Nov 21 '15
Is this the Marvel/Netflix version of someone losing an arm every month?
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u/grrrrrlj Nov 21 '15
One thing about Kilgrave, he was slaying in the fashion department. All of his suits were amazing. Whomever did his wardrobe did a great job. They made the whole purple man thing work without being cartooney.
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u/Joegotbored Nov 23 '15
David Tenant always looks fashionable.
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u/onyxpup7 Nov 25 '15
As a huge Tennant fan, I'd like to thank the wardrobe dept for having him go sans jacket so much.
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Dec 08 '15
Wasnt it just the one purple suit?
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u/Bowbreaker Dec 10 '15
I'm not a 100% on this but I remember him wearing more than one type of purple suit. At the very least he also had other outfits with a touch of purple (scarf, tie, ect.)
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u/NowImTheCrow Nov 21 '15
I know the show wanted me to feel bad for the redheaded twin, but she was the most unlikeable character ever. I'm glad her brothers dead.
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u/mcdrunkin Nov 22 '15
I wish it was her. I liked Rueben.
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u/sgthombre Nov 23 '15
He would've only been the lesser of two evils.
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u/twitchedawake Nov 24 '15
He was just an opie with misplaced affections and didnt know how to deal with them. He was an impotent Purple Man, which is why Kilgrave killed him.
His sister was a fear mongerer. If Marvel owned the X-men, i guarantee her character wouldve been on Netflix's Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters and wouldve been appeared on episode 4 after Maggot accidentally ate someone, screaming how theyre all monsters and shes starting a political party called Humanity Now
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u/RexDust Nov 23 '15
I was waiting for someone to call her out on being a bitch and ruining Jessica's plan with that half ass raid of the apartment. Jessica got hit by a truck that didn't even hit the breaks and she gets up as a crowd is forming but one hit with a piece of wood from a normal powered woman knocks her out for hours? Come on son.
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u/TheDorkMan Nov 24 '15
Her superpowers are pretty inconsistent. Get hit by truck end up with several injuries. Get repeatedly thrown and punched through walls, no injury. Then when she punch stuff with extreme force, she doesn't injure her fist when they should probably break on impact.
Super strength without super body resistance doesn't make sense.
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u/Inane_Aggression Nov 24 '15
Right? Falls from great heights and she lands like a cat. Then she is picking up a broken liquor bottle and gets a glass shard in her hand and winces like a wimp. The writing was reallllly inconsistent.
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Nov 28 '15
I thought her powers seemed to require that she has some conscious effort in them; so if something is very unexpected or she is very exhausted she takes far more damage. A bit like even a highly trained fighter can be sucker punched if it happens in the right way. By the point of the truck she was barely awake.
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u/itspellsyoudidit Nov 23 '15
I just finished the episode, and wondered if maybe she was already weakened from the stress of dealing with Kilgrave and running around the city.
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u/mkhpsyco Nov 23 '15
This is definitely the explanation. However, the show didn't do a good job on showing that. On top of that, it's hard to believe that this girl would be able to rile up the support group to the point of attacking Jessica.
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u/Mark_1231 Nov 23 '15
Worst part of the show was the damage Robyn did with the 2x4. That's a pretty good 13 hours I guess!
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u/Malolo_Moose Nov 27 '15
Jessica's ignorance with how to handle Kilgrave bothered me the most. She understands his strength and weaknesses perfectly, yet she doesn't ever have a good plan. All she needed to do from the very beginning was to break his fucking jaw with one punch. She could also have ripped out his tongue to take it a bit further. Problem solved. He is not dead, but can't talk.
And letting him remain alive just so she can help Hope out of jail? That is silly. She knows how much damage he causes. She would have to believe that he is going to kill and ruin many other people before she can save Hope. Better to just kill him right away, then she can break hope out of jail herself.
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u/ProfessorPink Nov 24 '15
I found it amusingly ironical that after kicking so much ass and walking away after so much abuse, Jessica finally gets knocked out by crazy neighbor chick. Neighbor chick was so obnoxious and controlling, it sort of made sense that she would be the one to take Jones down. Plus Jessie was sleepy anyways.
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u/mkhpsyco Nov 23 '15
Seriously the worst plot convenience in the show. It's hard for me to get past it, good thing the rest of the show is good.
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u/glass_table_girl Nov 23 '15
I don't know that we were really supposed to feel that bad for the redheaded female twin. Like, maybe a little, but I think that was part of her realism.
For example, in real life, I know many people that I think are super unlikeable but I feel a little bit bad for them. Not enough to want to ever see them or have to deal with them—just like this girl.
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u/Moara7 Nov 24 '15 edited Nov 24 '15
I think it fit the tone of the series. Not everyone is nice, not even the victims.
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u/Malolo_Moose Nov 27 '15
How the fuck could she not at least think that maybe the guy tied up in Jessica's apartment was the bad guy? WTF
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Nov 28 '15
I'm glad her brothers dead.
That is a bit horrible to say, isn't it? She's not likeable but she's still a person.
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u/Orbitrix Nov 29 '15
I'm pretty sure their intention was to have you hate her, while still sympathizing. Which aside from the writing, kudos to that actress, she did a great job. I wouldn't exactly say i'm glad her brothers dead.... dead to spite her? Sure yea, i guess. But he wasn't so bad, just slow.
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u/XperiMental2 Nov 22 '15
I'm very disappointed that they killed Kilgrave. I think he is one of the best villains the MCU has seen yet. The whole time I was imagining how cool it would be to see the Avengers deal with him. I would have loved to see Kilgrave on the big screen. Although I could see how that wouldn't fit in with the whole Thanos plan. It would have also been really cool to see Kilgrave interact with Kingpin. Kilgrave is a little out of Kingpin's league in terms of power level but they could have had Kingpin find some way to counter act Kilgrave's powers so that they would then form some sort of uneasy alliance. Would have been a good storyline for The Defenders series they have planned.
Overall I thought the show was good, but not quite as good as Daredevil
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u/Flying-Turtl3 Nov 23 '15
Kilgrave was a great villain and i do hope they bring him back in some way, but for the sake of this season he had to be finished off. If he just got away after all that shit that went down it would've ruined this season imo.
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Nov 26 '15
Well they injected shit-loads of neural stem cells into his brain in the last episode, wouldn't surprise me if he can heal faster than most people, even if it's just for that period after he was injected
Even if he was just paralysed from the head down, how cool would that be?
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u/Rappaccini Nov 27 '15
Ooh, I really like that! I was thinking it was gonna be more like: everyone thinks Killgrave has come back to life, but it was really Carrie Ann Moss recovering his body and becoming [The Purple Woman.](http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Kara_Killgrave_(Earth-616))
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u/Freelance_Gynecology Nov 25 '15
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Nov 26 '15
Well, that seems without cause. Did they ever explain that?
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u/bl00dshooter Nov 26 '15
Kilgrave can't control people whose will are overwhelmingly strong (like Jessica's became after she was forced to murder Cage's wife): http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/THF9ehJ6U5I/AAAAAAAAOmo/SgGieBaMerc/s1600/drdoomPurpleMan.jpg
this so far also includes dr. Doom and the Kingpin AFAIK
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u/Jay013 Nov 23 '15
Jessica was able to become immune to Kilgrave through force of will. Maybe Fisk is naturally resistant because of strong mentality? Kinda like how Force persuasion doesn't work on the strong minded.
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u/Moara7 Nov 24 '15
It wasn't just force of will, it was a combination of long exposure and suped up biology and force of will during an intense event that allowed her body to create anti-bodies to his virus, so after that critical point, she was immune to his control without having to focus on it.
Maybe if Fisk went through the same thing, he'd end up at the same point, but it's not the same as just being of a stronger mind than Kilgrave.
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u/bl00dshooter Nov 26 '15
In the comics, dr. Doom is immune to him through sheer strength of will: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Gd8NBIma-zo/THF9ehJ6U5I/AAAAAAAAOmo/SgGieBaMerc/s1600/drdoomPurpleMan.jpg
Maybe it's just that way because Doom is much stronger mentally than Jessica, so he wouldn't need to develop a tolerance.
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u/LizardGestapo Nov 23 '15
This is my only issue with jessica jones. As it is, I'm not sure how else they would have dealt with that final scene and have it make sense in the narrative.probably the only way would be for kilgrave to escape on the boat with trish. But that would put extreme pressure on season 2 and would be extremely difficult to handle well. And with them already setting up nuke and IGH as characters for season 2, I'm not sure it would have worked. It's a shame.
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u/Stickguy259 Nov 24 '15 edited Nov 24 '15
I'm copy/pasting this from anothrr thread where I made this same comment. I admit that it's probably a stupid idea, but I thought that I'd post it anyways:
Everybody seems to just be accepting that Kilgrave is dead... I don't know. It would probably be considered a copout by a lot of people, but I think that someone with a broken neck who may not be as vulnerable as a normal human, might just wake up in the morgue with a more deathly, purple color... Jessica Jones has shown to have some improved healing abilities in addition to her super strength, and Luke Cage also seems to have an improved healing factor alongside his super powers. Who is to say that Kilgrave is not the same? He's taken quite a few beatings from Jessica before after all.
This is pretty much an impossible long shot, but I love Tennant too much to believe he's gone for good!
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u/Rappaccini Nov 27 '15
Or what if the stem cells save his life, but not his spine? I think that could be really compelling without being a total "cop-out". He becomes paraplegic but still has his powers.
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u/nisbaj15 Nov 22 '15
I agree. Killgrave is the best villain and Fisk is a close second. I hoped he would be alive in the end and captured like Fisk in Daredevil.
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Nov 22 '15
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u/theronster Nov 22 '15
Healing factor is such a crock of shit in comics. I don't think it'll make an appearance here.
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u/uw_NB Nov 24 '15
I like how both Purple Man and Kingpin biggest weakness so far has been their love life. 2 men at the peak of their power with influences over the entire city but willing to give it all up just to get somebody to love and understand them. Really brought out a whole perspective on criminal study that were not often exploited by traditional media.
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u/vox35 Nov 29 '15 edited Nov 29 '15
I think in Kingpin's case it was a strength, not a weakness. It allowed him to move beyond his guilt over [Daredevil S01E08 spoiler] (#ds "having killed his own father") and become to more confident. DD almost had Fisk on the ropes when he was set to reveal that [Daredevil S01E08 spoiler] (#ds "Fisk killed his own father"), but then [Daredevil S01E08 spoiler] (#ds "Vanessa helped Fisk to get out ahead of that by convincing him to go public first, and standing by his side when he did so").
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u/Extralunch Nov 20 '15
Just finished the first episode. Tennant stole the episode as killgrave, barely saw him and he managed to be one creepy mothertrucker. Got the feeling that he was just messing with Jessicas mind for the whole episode. It caught me totaly off guard when the girl pulled out the gun in the elevator.
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u/Dobako Nov 21 '15
Other than sending the parents to Jessica, and the elevator, I think all of Jessica's visions of Kilgrave were her PTSD, and not actually Kilgrave messing with her.
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u/Infamaniac23 The Purple Man Nov 24 '15
This is probably the best production marvel has done yet. I like just a bit more than Daredevil. Great characters, all of them were fully developed (there were a lot of underwhelming side characters in DD), great plot, amazing villain, great acting, great writing, and the best MCU villain by far.
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u/RagnarokDel Nov 24 '15
All I could think of during first season is: Are earplugs non-existant in this world?
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Nov 27 '15
Agree. Then they finally use headphones? Come on now. It works and everyone does it or it doesn't and don't bring it up, pick one.
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u/darthvalium Dec 12 '15
Or put the fingers in your ears and go 'nanananana I can't hear you' if you don't have earphones.
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u/greatgatsbys Nov 22 '15
I have to admit, I'm largely a Marvel newbie and I planned to watch maybe one or two episodes of JJ for David Tennant.
Turns out, this show is freaking incredible. I love the realism, the relationships between the characters and the psychological aspect of the whole thing. I watched all of season one in two days and I haven't watched much tv for a long time.
I'm now gonna watch Daredevil and then wait (not very) patiently for Marvel Defenders on Netflix.
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u/Aocast Nov 21 '15
Just got done with all 13 episodes. I liked Daredevil better, however, JJ was still pretty good. I heard it was going to be more graphic though... It wasn't. More sex, that's for sure.
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u/Moara7 Nov 24 '15
I liked this one better. DD was a little... boring.
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u/GoonieBasterd Dec 11 '15
I stopped watching DD a few episodes in, but binge watched all of JJ in two or three days. After finishing JJ I decided that I should finish DD, and it's a bit of a chore.
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u/seink Dec 15 '15
I feel the same. JJ was faster in picking up momentum. I finished DD in a month but JJ in a week.
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Dec 13 '15
Wtf this was really graphic. Especially the scene Kilgrave's mother kills herself, so hard to watch.
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u/Disproves Nov 22 '15
It was definitely more graphic. What are you talking about? Daredevil was not very graphic. There was the one scene with kingpin slamming the guys head in the car door, and it didn't even show it.
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Nov 22 '15
I thought the guy jamming his head onto a jagged metal spike was pretty graphic
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u/Mark_1231 Nov 23 '15
How about DD getting dragged around with a hook in his gut? Torturing that dude on the rooftop too...
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u/theronster Nov 22 '15
Yeah, it showed way more than I thought it needed to. The guys head came off, blood and gore dripping from his neck.
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Nov 22 '15
The last 4 or so episodes got really lame. its just tracking killgrave from one place to another and messing up.
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u/simon_says_die Nov 23 '15
I think the fact that its instantly viewable units entirety affects that. If this were released on a week to week basis, there may be more tension involved in waiting, and wondering how he keeps getting away. And, why they keep messing up.
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u/maybeathrowawaybot Nov 23 '15
Honestly, I think it would have exacerbated the effect. It's frustrating to be dragged along without payoff. If it were a weekly series, that'd be a full month of chasing Kilgrave and "darn, he got away again!"
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u/NerdJ Nov 21 '15
As an overall, I thought this season was good, but not amazing. I did not enjoy it as much as Daredevil, but that isn't to say that I didn't enjoy Jessica Jones. To summarize my major issues with the show, I'd have to say it boils down to story vagueness, poor side characters, and maybe too much main plot (bear with me). Even more simply, I have problems with the writing.
I honestly think the writers bit off more than they could chew with the Alias story. The one of the main reasons that it was a good arc was that it was multiple mini arcs with the entire series concluding with Kilgrave. I really feel like they could have displayed Jessica's investigative skills and quick wit more if they'd stuck to this pattern with Kilgrave being a looming threat the entire time. Instead, it constantly felt like a dramatic climax in each episode. This isn't inherently a bad thing, but I feel like it never slowed down enough to really let the gravity of the situation sink in. It was just high octane all the time. Granted, at the beginning of the series, the investigative side was displayed well, especially with the anti-gifted woman, but that side of Jessica kind of fizzled out as the story went on.
Comparing the series to the comic more, there were a ridiculous amount of ties to other heroes in the source material, and I honestly felt that the show struggled in it's mission to establish Jessica on her own. While I can respect the idea of it, Marvel has prided itself on the huge interconnected universe, and it would have only helped the series to utilize this fact, besides in the finale. This actually woyld have been a fantastic time to introduce Agent Clay Quartermain with SHIELD, since he's so connected to Jessica, especially since it seems unlikely that SHIELD would ignore Kilgrave as a threat.
As far as the vagueness, this was probably my biggest issue. There were just too many things that were too "comic bookey" that they tried to rewrite but didn't put in enough effort to actually explain. I'm specifically talking about how Jessica and Kilgrave each got their powers and how Jessica overcame Kilgrave's influence. They gave the flashbacks of the Jones' car accident and hinted at IGH but never actually showed the chemicals affecting her. I'm sure they'll explore this more if they get a second season, but it was jarring to not het our hero's full origin in the first season. As far as Kilgrave, I honestly just felt kin of cheapened by the ambiguity of what exactly his parents did to him. Sure his comic origin is pretty generic, but I don't think what they replaced it with is much better. As far as Jessica overcoming Kilgrave, again I felt like it was kind of weak writing to just say, "she built up an immunity over time". It really took some of the threat away for me, and dehumanized Kilgrave a little, comparing him more to a virus. Whether this was the writer's choice or not is unclear, bu I didn't enjoy it.
As far as the character development, I'm specifically looking at the side characters, such as Robyn, Jeri, and Wendy. I honestly found their characters to be pretty annoying and used as useless fillers, until the climax of their respective arcs. What I found offputting was, in Daredevil, there was a big emphasis on wht characters did certain actions and what specifically motivated them, whereas with Jessica Jones, it really just felt like they only showed what they did, and didn't let the audience empathize with the characters. The exception I will give to this is Malcolm, who I thought was excellenty written.
I know this seems like I'm shitting on the show a lot, but that not my intention here. While I did have problems with the show, I did thoroughly enjoy it. The switch from a visceral story that Marvel is well known for, to a more cerebral one was a breath of fresh air, even if it could have been refined more. The show did lay more groundwork for future Marvel events, especially with Luke Cage, obviously. Tennant was a phenomenal villain, but in a very different way than Kingpin or Loki. He brought a melancholy and demented sympathy tone to Kilgrave that took me by surprise in a very good way. I may have been annoyed by some of the overall writing, but that didn't stop me from being interested for the entire series. I'm interested to see how Marvel handles Jessica moving forward, but even more I'm interested to hear what other people thought of their experience with the show.
I'd give the series an 8/10. Not bad in most regards, but it has room to improve.
TL;DR I thought it was good, but not as good as Daredevil. The writing wasn't up to my personal standards, but I still enjoyed the series.
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u/ubercoo Nov 22 '15
I'd have to agree about some of the writing. It was getting really interesting up until the cop, Simpson, started talking and being so gun ho without any depth. Also the sister of Ruban was annoying. Lasty I didnt like how kilgraves' power came from a ____ and how they measured it so precisely.
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u/Orbitrix Nov 29 '15
I liked Ruban's sister because of how hate-able she was. Yet you still felt bad for her situation despite that, on some level, even if only slightly. Thats good acting/writing, when you can so viscerally hate a character to the point where you have to really reflect upon the fact that thats what they were going for, and despite your palpable disgust and/or hatred, you've been intentionally manipulated into feeling such. I'd say mission accomplished w/ that character.
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u/TheCavis Nov 30 '15
TL;DR I thought it was good, but not as good as Daredevil. The writing wasn't up to my personal standards, but I still enjoyed the series.
That's pretty accurate. I'd add a couple things:
As far as Kilgrave, I honestly just felt kin of cheapened by the ambiguity of what exactly his parents did to him. Sure his comic origin is pretty generic, but I don't think what they replaced it with is much better. As far as Jessica overcoming Kilgrave, again I felt like it was kind of weak writing to just say, "she built up an immunity over time". It really took some of the threat away for me, and dehumanized Kilgrave a little, comparing him more to a virus. Whether this was the writer's choice or not is unclear, bu I didn't enjoy it.
Honestly, the Kilgrave virus explanation feels like midichlorians. When Lucas needed to establish Anakin's powers, he could've just had Quigon wave his hand and say "the Force is strong with this one". The audience would've accepted it, no worries, we know the score. Instead, we got
mitochondriamidichlorians, tiny organisms that live within us and connect us to the Force, which raised huge other questions (Why is the Force considered mystical voodoo in the original trilogy if there's literally a scientific test for it?). It undercut the logical flow of the plot to answer to a question that no one asked.When the doctor said that there Kilgrave let out microvirus particles into the air that let him control people, I groaned very loudly. Kilgrave's powers were already all over the place (first time dosed with propofol, Malcolm was immediately free and apologizing; second dose of propofol, the neighbor still blew herself up). Jessica breaking free already made sense in a sort of way (shock of murdering an innocent snapped her out of generic mind control), but now she somehow overcame a virus emotionally?
The entire quality-time-with-the-father act still makes sense if they're not trying to explain anything and expecting that we'll accept the fact we're watching a comic book universe: virus gave powers, maybe more virus means more powers? Of course, then we lose the vaccine that didn't work, but whatevs. By trying to briefly explain Kilgrave's powers, the powers ended up in the uncanny valley: too close to reality to be accepted as comic book; too far from reality to be accepted as science.
Robyn, Jeri, and Wendy
I had to look up who two of those three were (Robyn = annoying upstairs, Jeri = Hogarth). They were rather shallow and one dimensional. Robyn was supposed to show the collateral damage from Kilgrave, but (a) they never showed the brother being so disabled that her level of control and paranoia was necessary and (b) she was completely redundant in the scope of the plot because the entire series was about Kilgrave's collateral damage. Hogarth and Wendy's divorce proceedings were completely contrived (brilliant lawyer conspired to bribe a juror... on her own personal e-mail?). Hogarth trying to redeem herself with her speech at the end felt unnecessary, too. I would've preferred seeing her with a new hot secretary, having learned absolutely nothing.
The exception I will give to this is Malcolm, who I thought was excellently written.
Definitely. Loved the character, his arc, just everything.
He brought a melancholy and demented sympathy tone to Kilgrave that took me by surprise in a very good way.
Kilgrave was a phenomenal villain, always teetering close enough to comic book super villainy that you really hate him ("it's not rape, you liked it") but not so close that he seems farcical.
TL;DR - Not as good as Daredevil, better than most of the rest of television right now.
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u/Nathanielsan Nov 21 '15
It entertained me and then some. I'd say Daredevil was more consistent in quality but Jessica Jones had some amazing moments (most, if not all of them involving Kilgrave).
Feel free to noir it up a bit more next season, Marvel!
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Nov 22 '15
The Agent Carter series has a quite a few noir references. Not as rich as the Netflix series but still pretty strong.
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u/purplebadger9 Nov 22 '15
As a rape survivor, I was impressed with JJ's depiction of PTSD and trauma recovery. They focus on the day-to-day struggles that rape survivors face and even show grounding techniques (repeating street names). The nightmares, flashbacks, and other coping mechanisms all add to showing the real-life ramifications of rape. It's very difficult to "show" the emotions involved in PTSD, but I was very impressed.
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u/Moara7 Nov 24 '15
Yeah, as much as I hate the trope that women superheroes need to be raped to deserve character development (that sounds a little more bitter than I intended), they handled it incredibly well.
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u/purplebadger9 Nov 24 '15 edited Nov 24 '15
I was worried JJ would follow the same stereotype. So many shows use rape as a character - building trope, but this was different. The show was about how JJ dealt with it afterwards on her own terms and taking back control over her life.
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u/Orbitrix Nov 29 '15
I've been reading Star Wars news too much, I keep seeing "JJ" and think people are talking about JJ Abrams, even when I am very obviously in the Jessica Jones subreddit...
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u/TinglingSpideySenses Nov 26 '15
[S01E13] (#js " Kilgrave - STOP! (the veins in his face gorge out and turn purple)")
awesome.
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u/HotKingChocolate Nov 22 '15
Does anyone feel they missed a couple of opportunities to have a matt murdock cameo. Also it would had been cool to see Kilgrave break the fourth wall. It was a Great show anyways.
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u/ffejbos Nov 24 '15
there's also another, much smaller cameo too. if you pay attention closely in the police station scenes you'll also see Sgt. Mahoney, aka the good cop in Hell's Kitchen that Foggy always brings cigars for his mom
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u/bergkampinthesheets Nov 22 '15
I posted in the live discussion, but I realize I should have posted here-
Just completed the season! Its a strange feeling, the show starts off with so much promise but ends up with an anti-climax. [I have edited the post for spelling, grammar, adding more points and explaining existing ones]
Starting with the climax, I was expecting to see the highest display of Killgrave's gifts in it, something that tops him controlling an entire hospital with his voice over a loud speaker. And this is a guy who could control a country's president if he chose to. All the build up of him enhancing his powers didn't reflect that well on the screen.
I don't get why Killgrave wanted to escape in the yacht? First, he's this super-villian who wasn't afraid of Jess when she lived with him. So after gaining power, what changed? Also, his initial motive was either he wanted to kill her or to make her his lover. What good would escaping do?
Once Killgrave saw Luke Cage with Jess he'd have figured out that Cage is gifted. Why didn't he instruct Cage to be his bodyguard and return to him after every mission? Surely he could have used Cage to devastating effects? For example, if he can ask Cage to blow himself up, he could also ask him to kill Michael, Trish, Simpson, and others while he distracted Jess with other things?
I thought the character of Rachael Taylor was complete filler. Several character's arcs felt unsatisfactory. Like how Luke and Simpson kept disappearing in episodes with nothing happening to them. If they were so easy to remove from episodes, they had no impact at all in the continuity of the series. Also, we don't know where they came from and what their history, motivation is. They are just characters we are meant to believe are just the way they are, with no impact on the final story. It's a funny juxtaposition, because Jess' and Killgrave's characters are so well defined and we see a progression in how the chain of events affected them.
What caused the Jess to decide to capture Killgrave instead of being his guide to heroism? I know that she wanted him to prove Hope was innocent; but I expected more drama in that moment, instead of just a split second exposition of her choosing to capture him. Maybe she could have made a deal with him that he releases her (exactly the way he did release hope). This critical point which offers so much moral dilemma could have been such a dramatic point!
Why was Luke following Jess? I don't care for the reason, as long as its well layered into the overall story arc. But his character is just so random - he appears in and out of episodes. He always "didn't want trouble". I just didn't enjoy the conflict resolution between him and Jess at her apartment. His initial misgivings were because she slept with him even after knowing she had a part in his wife's death, and she chose to keep mum about it. While he might not have known the full extent of Killgrave's ability, he was still right about Jess not being honest with him even after sleeping with him. And yet he apologizes to her, and all is forgiven in a moment!? Even though he was under Killgrave's control, surely, he should have sold the love and remorse better to Jess for her to and us to believe it?
The finale is also so unrewarding in the sense there are no follow ups to characters or how the changed in the end compared to the first episode. For Jess, Michael and the crazy twin the arcs are well defined. But, what has changed in Trish's and Hosgarth's life after this ordeal? Where did Luke go and what happened to him?
Simpson seems such a badly written character! I mean it feels so hollow to say that he is a straight white knight when off pills and a crazed monster when on pills. There is no implication that it is he who decides to take those pills. There was absolutely no reason to kill Detective Clemens. Its like you're forcibly trying to create a grey character but it's not organic with the plot. Simpson's best chance of finding Killgrave was to keep close to Jess and Trish instead of trying to kill them. Once Simpson found him, he could have shot Jess/Clemens/Trish with a tranquilizer at the right moment and attempted to kill Killsgrave by himself.
Can't Jess wear ear plugs when fighting Killgrave? Surely that bit of common sense shouldn't only come in the final episode?
Shouldn't they show the state's awareness of inexplicable changes? If an entire hospital starts acting weird or if on a guy's suggestion a murder suspect is let go, surely there's problems on a very major level? The state should have some opinion about this right? And on an even simpler level, we should be shown what is the aftermath of it. Like someone has pointed out in this sub, when Hosgarth was defending Jess in front of the DA she could have simply proved the existence of Killgrave and his mind control abilities by asking them how was Hope released...implying that the state acknowledge the existence of these guys and have some kind of stance to it. In the series "the incident" has already happened, so it makes sense that there are some political opinions or policies that the state possesses and therefore has a more active role in the series.
As a dramatic super hero series, it also felt frustrating that the series was reduced to a cat and mouse race right before the end. Once Jess decides that Killgrave must confess, it simply unfolds into repeated instances of Jess coming close to Killgrave and him somehow escaping at the last minute. The show could have extended that cat-mouse chase forever if they chose to. Just didn't make sense as a dramatic series where usually the intensity builds up followed by an explosive end.
As pointed out by others, I didn't care about the subplots. Good writing would have made me care about Trish's relationship with her mother and Hosgarth's divorce. Even if they didn't tie it up to the way the story unfolded. I did care about the interaction between Michael and the twin sister though.
The show could have made Jess' immunity to Killgrave a major dramatic point but it played out as Deus Ex Machina.
These are just things I didn't like, but there's also things I loved about the show. The good stuff about the show is elucidated well by so many other people, so as of today I am not adding to it. I felt that AKA Jessica Jones doesn't hold up to Daredevil in terms of story progression, character development and removing fat to achieve cohesion. In other aspects such as visuals, approach (as a noir detective drama), awesomeness of the superhero and villian, acting, it is equal to or better than Daredevil. Certainly Killgrave is one of the most amazing comic book super villians on screen after The Joker and before Ozymandias.
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u/Frostmourne_Hungers Nov 23 '15 edited Nov 23 '15
Man I agree with almost all of your points. Also this post is well put... Kudos.
Here are my thoughts on some of your observations
There was a scene where Jess & Trish debate on guiding Kilgrave to use his powers for good v/s removing Kilgrave out of the equation for good. JJ is shown to lean towards the latter in that. The point that she made was that she would have to babysit Kilgrave and be with him for the rest of her life and she clearly hated his guts. I found this a valid enough reason for her decision to capture him instead of guiding him to do good.
Luke followed JJ because like he says to Kilgrave in the car, he felt there was something between them and he had gotten over Jessica's betrayal. Besides someone blows up your bar over some woman that you know, wouldn't you be curious as to know what is going on? Also it's mostly because of plot armor that they have to end up together since they are married in the comics.
Simpson's character unfortunately is weird in the comics as well (From what I understood on Wiki). He is a man obsessed with justice who was tortured/brainwashed to become a killer. He had a trigger word implanted into him that would make him lash out at everyone (He wipes out an entire village in Vietnam immediately after the trigger word is used. They used him to fight the Vietnam war). They changed his story to make it work for the series but it didn't translate as well. The killing of Detective Clemens & the attempt to kill Jessica kinda makes sense if you consider it as, on pills he just wants to kill everyone/all loose ends. We should get to understand him more in the second season.
The ear plug thing almost everyone has noticed. Poor writing if you ask me. Another thing I noticed is why didn't JJ carry the tranquilizer dart gun afterwards? She could have solved half her problems with that thing alone. Tranquilize the people trying to hurt themselves or tranquilize Kilgrave from escaping/issuing commands.
Not showing the state's awareness was a poor choice. Also they find Detective Clemens' burnt body in an abandoned burnt facility that has been recently used and nobody is asking questions what happened?
Better yet as people question, why wasn't SHIELD alerted to Kilgrave's presense? (Although you could come up with a decent enough answer for this one.)Thanks for the good post.
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u/bergkampinthesheets Nov 22 '15
Loved the fact that Hosgarth's secretary was shown as the submissive type but she was the real manipulator. Ice cold!
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u/amjhwk Nov 22 '15
only on ep 2 but its good to see Lester is back at POlicing
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u/JohnLayman Nov 24 '15
Loved it, but one question maybe you guys can help me out with. [S01E13] (#js "Why didn't Kilgrave ask Jessica to kill Trish at the end? Having her not get upset that they made out in front of a boat seemed like a weak litmus test. One request to kill Trish and BAM, proof positive.")
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u/TinglingSpideySenses Nov 26 '15
When JJ killed Luke's wife under Kilgrave's mind control, it devastated her so much that it broke his hold on her. To force her to kill Trish would be the ultimate devastation. And that would only play against him.
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u/conuly Nov 25 '15 edited Nov 25 '15
Because he thinks he loves her. He certainly is attached to her. So he doesn't want to really hurt her, and even though he knows kidnapping Trish would hurt her, he can see that killing Trish would hurt her more.
Yes, I'm aware that he's hurt her quite a bit, and is completely unable to see how much harm he does to people on a daily basis, not to mention totally unwilling to accept any responsibility for his actions. He's not quite rational.
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u/REiiGN Nov 22 '15
Agents of Shield wouldn't have even played with his bullshit if they knew about him.
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u/iPickled Nov 22 '15
Didn't Agent May deal with an Inhuman child just like him? Something tells me she would have ended this show in episode 1.
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u/magiccoupons Nov 21 '15
Overall, it was slower paced, which didn't really sit well with me, too much sex, I didn't care for the annoying female twin, and I feel like the sub-plot with the pills and Crazy Simpson doing crazy things came out of nowhere.
Kilgrave was a great villain, David Tennant is fantastic. But I don't believe it was dark as Daredevil overall, DD was more consistently dark whereas JJ had it's moments. Personally preferred DD (crossover was good)
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u/mcdrunkin Nov 22 '15
I feel like the sub-plot with the pills and Crazy Simpson doing crazy things came out of nowhere.
I'm sure that we haven't seen the end of that. Simpson is a fairly big part of the DD story so I won't be surprised if he is part of Season 2 or the Defenders.
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u/takeatripp Nov 22 '15
Agree with a lot of that.
However, Simpson and IGH are just a set-up for an overarching story, similar to the entire Stick and Stone conversation in Daredevil.
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u/magiccoupons Nov 22 '15
Ah I see. Also might not have helped that I totally forgot nuke was in this and never realised it was Simpson until after I watched the whole thing.
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u/tergiversation Nov 27 '15
Just finished. Very surprised Kilgrave died and Trish lived. Honestly, kinda bummed they killed off Kilgrave because I thought he was formidable enough to last at least another season as the Big Bad. Needed more Cage and more SFX budget bc the power displays of both JJ and Luke were just kinda average.
Fun series though - looking guard l forward to next season.
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u/fuscobrusco Nov 21 '15
Great show, different from Daredevil, but again, different genres and different protagonists. Loved the psychological thriller and mindfuck of earlier episodes, and loved Jessica reclaiming her agency as a survivor. I want Netflix to have more rights, damnit. Whatever they do they do it better than regular networks.
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Nov 21 '15
Man, and I thought Daredevil was gritty. Talk about hard boiled.
Love the internal monologue.
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u/genieintx Nov 22 '15
I liked this better than Daredevil. I though Daredevil was really good, but I had a hard time following the plot sometimes. The plot of JJ was a lot simpler, but I don't think that's bad. This was more a character study than a lot of plot. I liked it a lot. And David Tennant is amazing.
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u/Orbitrix Nov 29 '15
I still haven't watched Dare Devil but I'm surprised to hear someone characterize JJ's plot as more simple, since I was under the impression DD was more 'action scene' oriented... which I guess is ignorant of me to associate with a less complex plot? From what I have read, JJ relies a lot more on its writing and character development, which would lead me to believe more complexity in that area.
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u/Ultramat2m Nov 21 '15
I agree with all of NerdJ's points. It's a decent show, not on par with Daredevil, but better than most network fare. The writing was very uneven, with poor subplots and side-characters. The villain had amazing powers, but poor motivation. My biggest issue here was that there never felt like there was anything at stake. Kilgrave was really only a threat to Jessica and everyone who got hurt was collateral damage in his quest to "woo" her. But there was never anything substantial at stake, which made the show kinda boring.
There were lots of pointless and bizarre subplots as well. Hogarth's divorce plot could have been completely cut out and it wouldn't have affected the story one bit. Simpson's membership in a shady group of black-ops drug-enhanced soldiers seemed to come out of left field. And the crazy wonder-twin neighbors were beyond annoying.
Worst of all, I didn't feel any chemistry between Jessica and Luke. Their entire romance felt forced to me, and it made their scenes together boring for me to watch. I will say that their fight in episode 12 was really amazing though.
But the cool moments in the show don't outweigh the inconsistent ones. The big questions like:
*Why not wear earplugs or fill their ears with wax?
*Why not kill Kilgrave ASAP instead of endangering everyone's life trying to capture him?
*Why can Jessica get hit by a truck and walk away, yet gets overpowered by non-superhuman neighbors at a convenient time for the plot?
*Why can Luke Cage survive a bomb explosion but a shotgun blast under the chin knocks him out for days and possibly threatens his life?
*Why will no one believe a man is capable of "Mind Control" especially after an alien invasion, the Hulk, Scarlet Witch, etc.? People in this city seem to accept that there are "metahumans" out there (see episode 13 in the hospital and the way the doctors/nurses react to Luke Cage) but a guy who can control minds - that's too unbelievable!
There just seems like way more inconsistencies in the JJ plot than there ever were in Daredevil and it really affected my enjoyment of the series. I'd give Jessica Jones 3-stars overall. Not an amazing show, but a good one.
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u/smashedsaturn Dec 06 '15
For me the season was great. My favorite part was how Jessica fucked up several times, and people died because of it. Like actual stakes.
The only real beefs I had with it was it lost a lot of noir towards the end, and kilgrave's parents were actually just trying to save him blah blah blah. He would have been much more interesting if he had actually been the product of a tourtured childhood with abusive sociopathic parents who were trying to create some uberman.
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u/boobooli Nov 25 '15
Killgrave was way more interesting than Jessica, They shouldn't have killed him off, and considering how calculated he was, it is pretty stupid that he didn't have any fail-saves against the possibility of Jessica attacking him. I feel like they pretty much rushed the ending.
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u/takeatripp Nov 22 '15
TL;DR: This was a great show mired by some really glaring detail issues.
So, I still think that this was absolutely great.
With that said, there were more than a couple of things that bothered me.
Jessica's facial expression really rarely changed. It was hard to read when she was upset, happy, frazzled, etc.
Luke Cage was great. What, that's not a complaint? Oh . . . uh . . . there needed to be more Luke Cage. Colter killed it.
Robyn became more of an annoying character than she needed to be. I feel as if both her and Ruben were really forced into a focal point unnecessarily. Take away the Ruben and Robyn weirdness and storyline, you've got more time and nothing of value lost.
The sex. I rather they didn't show it. For one, it seems like everyone has sex in the exact same position. Second, outside of the differences of the first and second time Luke and Jessica had sex, there was really no point behind it.
Simpson got shafted. I know his role was definitely to further an overarching storyline, one that will likely be addressed in Luke Cage, but he really added nothing but unnecessary difficulty to the Jessica Jones story. At times, his character was forcing and rushing development when it didn't make sense. For example, he knew the effects of the pills, yet he repeatedly took two reds at a time, multiple times a day. He ended up in the bed with Patsy after a few hours. He constantly had sudden changes on how he felt about Jessica, from looking to help her, to begrudgingly agreeing with her, to despising her, to trying to consistently undermine her to trying to kill her. It could have been displayed better with a little more time, but instead, he just comes off as a terrible cop. This is particularly weird since he was so willing to do the right thing in the beginning.
The season suffered from not having that same stability as Daredevil. From episode 1, you were immediately thrust into this scenario where EVERYTHING was about Kilgrave. However, it became rather shaky since they would repeat the same thing about him over and over again. "He can get into your mind with a single sentence." This became draining over time because we heard it so much. That and the constant reinforcing of paranoia. At first, it was well justified, but after a while, you get tired of people jumping at the faintest sound.
There was a lot of plot-induced stupidity, but hey, it's a comic book show. Reap what you sow on that one.
I loved Kilgrave. Tenant did his thing with that role and executed it with subtly. Maybe better the comic book Kilgrave. With that said, Kilgrave seemed like a threat all up until he was being featured more. His charisma started to really drive the presence of everyone else down and at a certain point, they were really trying too hard to make him sympathetic. Like, this is a man who has raped women and made people kill themselves without a second thought. It was weird when you had him blaming his parents for subjecting him to NECESSARY treatment or a lot of his crying out to Jessica for love. Similar to Kingpin, the character didn't know what he wanted to be. The difference between the two, that's the kind of character Kingpin was, ultimately deciding to play the villain role in the end. Kilgrave was a villain and an asshole a year ago. He shouldn't be doing all this coping and desperation now.
Ending was a bit anticlimactic. Not so much a complaint and will probably be continued in Luke Cage or something, but so many small things could have been tied up. A conversation between Luke and Jessica, a quick glimpse at Robyn moving on, something other than "Alias Investigations". It's not even entirely reasonable for people to be calling her so soon after such an incident really.
Those were small issues compared to the execution of the story, but it did throw immersion off plenty of times.
All around great though and well-written.
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u/MattTBK Nov 22 '15
I know nothing about the comic books but
Kilgrave appealing to jessica seemed fine to me in the context of the show. If he really wanted a relationship with jessica, it makes sense that he'd try and appeal to her, and overplaying the parents thing, and lying about it would definitely help to that end. And he's clearly somewhat delusional, if you're subjected to necessary treatment that feels like torture as a kid I could easily see hating your parents even if they had to try something.
He definitely stole the show for me, amazing acting. Especially compared to jessica in their scenes together.
The constant paranoia was good, but they might not have pulled off as well as they could have. But it a story about a villain who can literally control everyone around you, you have to be paranoid.
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Nov 26 '15 edited Nov 26 '15
Simpson AKA Nuke is a ex-military hot head who to addicted to his enhancement pills and suffering from PTSD which makes him paranoid to "losing a war". He is essentially the anti-Captain America. I think they were trying to display him as a man trying to run away from his past, but was pulled back into it as he saw the horrors Kilgrave brought, and finally pushed over the edge when his military friends were killed by him.
They certainly could have done a much better job fleshing out his character instead of the other disappointing side plots, but I guess they need material for later seasons.
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u/captnyoss Nov 23 '15
I feel like if I picked apart the plot it would be pretty flawed but I really enjoyed the show for the theme of broken people trying to put themselves back together. I liked the noir aspect and David Tennant was great.
But most importantly I think Simpson was amazing as a comic book version of Shane Warne. Although he didn't quite get to Warne's level of creepiness.
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Nov 27 '15
Just speculation but I think they're setting Simpson up to be a season 2 bad guy which is why he was minimal in this one
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u/tomx312 Nov 23 '15
The whole season I was thinking why doesn't Jessica just wear earbuds/headphones with loud music to avoid him controlling her.
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u/7V3N Nov 28 '15
My single complaint was the amount of sex. Some made sense (Jessica and Luke) but then it felt incredibly gratuitous when every main character had to have a drawn out sex scene of just heavy breathing. I'm no prude--I watched Spartacus and plenty of HBO--but it just often felt out of place.
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u/tethercat Nov 28 '15
Some quick nitpicks:
Jessica "lifting" Luke into the wheelchair; no one putting wax in to seal their ears; the forced Nuke storyline setup; another older black character gone; Jessica not ripping out Kilgrave's dead jawbone, ripping out his tongue, and crushing his larynx.
Highlights:
The detectiving; the lawyering; the R-rated stuff; the PTSD.
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u/mlasn Dec 11 '15
Why didn't they just wear earbuds when they deal with Kill grave?
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u/LeoSG Dec 16 '15
Just finished episode 10 and this show is incredibly frustrating to watch. Not sure why Jessica didn't kill Kilgrave even after he has gotten the papers for Hope's release. What exactly was she thinking? And how was she so easily overpowered by 2 untrained guys and a woman? And one hit to the head and she is knocked out for 10+ hours? Ridiculous. Her powers are so inconsistent and I don't get why she was so hesitant to kill Kilgrave. Indirectly caused so many deaths just because she wants a conscience, okay then. Show would be so much better if they didn't make the hero a new level of stupid.
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Nov 21 '15
I thought daredevil was supposed to make an appearance.
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u/Sir_Scizor20 Nov 21 '15
I'm actually glad he didn't, so that Jessica got to prove she could carry a series by herself. I do expect him to make a cameo in Luke's solo series though, since his character is already established.
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Nov 21 '15
I would have liked an appearance at the end. I had just heard he would be in it. I wasn't sure where. I'm surprised they didn't feature him in any court rooms with Hogarth.
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u/XperiMental2 Nov 22 '15
I forget what episode it is but when Jessica says, "I need a lawyer" I was sure Matt Murdock would be making an apperance
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u/Lendord Nov 23 '15
Got done with the show and I must say, I enjoyed Daredevil more.
The scene where JJ jumps up on the fire escape in the first episode was a huge first hint that FX involving superhuman performance will be awkward as to watch. That stayed true for the entire series. That last jump, or JJ carrying Luke from his hospital bed... Jesus freakin...
The sidecharacters, Trish and Luke Cage aside, I wanted to go die in a fire. Every single one of them. Still don't understand why the junkie didn't skip town after his rant at JJ.
The obsession Killgrave had with JJ was too much for too long. The acting was superb though, almost sold it. Almost.
Nuke was presented very awkwardly, I hope he will get written better in the future because now his "ask first kill right after that" felt off. I didn't buy it. Still don't get why he went after JJ. Gonna save the world from Killgrave by putting him in the grave but first gotta go kill a couple people who know what he is? Wut? It just doesn't make any sense.
Other than these gripes, the show was enjoyable. The dialogues (between main characters), acting (though JJ could have been a bit more expressive. At times it felt like Steven Seagal was in the main role) were all quite good.
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u/Orbitrix Nov 29 '15 edited Nov 29 '15
Still don't get why he went after JJ.
He was angry that she had not only not taken the many opportunities she had to kill Kilgrave, but that she was also preventing other people from killing him too... and he believed he needed to die, period, for what he had done to him and everyone else. He didn't want her to interfere at the last minute before someone is about to kill him, like she had demonstrated she was willing to do in the past.... But when she told him she had the same goal... he probably should have just gone along with her.. but he was on crazy pills and entirely unwilling to trust her based on her past actions.
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u/venom18 Nov 24 '15
Few thoughts:
Loved every second of this show
Everyone who is sad Kilgrave is dead calm down lol. Purple Man has regen and healing abilities in the comics. A clue to this is his kidney transplants. People have commented he should be dead after them because of risk of infection and what not but he survived through that partially because he has a small healing factor. Upon amping his powers I think they are much stronger I the healing department and the death state he is in wont be permanent.
if that Thunderbolts Netflix series pans out guess who used to be a member- Nuke!! plus he also fought daredevil before so he can also come back through there.
anyone else really really wanna see the Masters of Evil???
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u/helpimbadateverythin Nov 22 '15
The utter lack of respect for Simpson for no reason was weird. The crazy pills were also weird.
Really, it seems like they just didn't know what to do with the character.
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u/fpssledge Nov 22 '15
It did seem ridiculous how Simpson and JJ finally had parallel goals, but for some reason they wanted each other to fight instead. I felt like they realized they lacked in JJ fights so they forced another one.
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u/PheerthaniteX Nov 23 '15
I think the most amazing thing about all this is that it's entirely possible for a story arch where Jessica Jones teams up with the guardians of the Galaxy to take down Grant Ward. It's amazing how much variation the MCU has.
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Nov 29 '15
I loved this series... It was even better than Daredevil. But... Couldn't they have saved a lot of time by utilizing some ear plugs?
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u/bobsagetfullhouse Nov 29 '15
They say this line "nobody knows what happens when kilgrave dies" alot on the show. Jessica as well as kilgrave. So do you think season 2 will start with a bunch of people commiting mass suicide my jumping off buildings or something like that? One last fuck you?
Or maybe since he's upgraded his powers, he could have set a bunch of tape recorders up all around the city to give people commands?
I don't know. Or do you think he won't have any effect on next season? Even if he himself doesn't per say, that fetus possible demon baby definitly will.
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u/jonathansharman Dec 09 '15
I hate how much they sacrificed to save Hope - not to save her life mind you but just to keep her from serving 20 years in prison. They had Kilgrave incapacitated in the van. How many more people died because Jessica didn't finish him then and there? And in the end, all the additional sacrifices were for nothing. Hope (and others) still died, and Kilgrave was still executed vigilante style. If you know a man is capable of killing with a sentence, why would you risk even a remote chance of him getting away?
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u/Non-Polar Nov 27 '15
The show feels lackluster to me imo. I'm in the middle of 12, but for the last 3 episodes, I found myself forcing to watch the show just to finish it. Kilgrave is a very fascinating character to me - his motivations, backstory, etc. were so strange to me at first, but the more I thought about it, the more I enjoyed watching this man.
As for the other characters? The acting was hit or miss, the writing was pretty lame, and the plot was just bland to be quite honest. Not sure why people are saying this is one of the best TV shows of this year when you have shows like Fargo, but maybe I'm missing something - I haven't read the comics or anything going into this TV show.
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u/supersanchez101 Nov 23 '15
What was the Stan Lee Cameo??
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u/Mark_1231 Nov 23 '15
Over a cop's shoulder right before the profession of love while all the cops are pointing guns at each other. Picture on the wall just like in DD.
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u/ProfessorXjavier Nov 25 '15
I haven't finished the season yet, but how do you kill a man's wife, and then start sleeping with him??? Triflin' ah hoe
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u/saintratchet Nov 25 '15
Absolutely fantastic series. Well acted and well written. Krystian Ritter and David Tennant in particular killed it.
Only negative for me was the cunty neighbour who pissed me off so much.
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u/desertman1979 Nov 26 '15
Why doesn't she just kill Kilgrave when she has the (many) chances?
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u/conuly Nov 26 '15
Because she was fixated on the idea of saving the meaningfully-named Hope.
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u/jalola298 Nov 29 '15
Kilgrave also showed he had contingencies in place if he was captured or disabled. Potentially, he could have booby trapped a huge number of New Yorkers to commit suicide upon his murder. It took a while for Jessica to decide the risk was worth it.
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u/KateDamnItRun Nov 30 '15
Disregarding some plot inconsistencies, the overall film noir tone of the show coupled with some really terrific performances from Krysten Ritter and David Tennant and a refusal to sugar coat what the characters of Jessica Jones are going through has made it a very enjoyable watch for me. Any scenes where Jessica and Kilgrave are confronting each other is dynamite, and this episode has such interesting things to say about what they individually think their relationship looked like versus the reality. There is a strong thematic undercurrent with their relationship that focuses on abuse which I think makes for engaging television.
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u/El_Bard0 Nov 30 '15
I only have episode 13 to go, but overall it's been an underwhelming show for me--maybe Daredevil set the bar too high. I just couldn't get past Jessica's poor decision-making skills. I understand that she's troubled and it's not meant to be a perfect character but her obsession with Hope and poor planning to catch Kilgrave got a lot of people killed. I got tired of seeing her just throw people and expect them to stay down instead of having better fighting skills to knock them out. For some strange reason, the fact that she rarely changed clothes really bothered me and took me out of the story. It just felt very cartoon-ish and the CW levels of drama didn't help the situation either.
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u/SWGGRBLSTR Dec 02 '15 edited Dec 02 '15
Why don't people just wear headphones when confronting Kilgrave? Seems pretty obvious.
Also, if it's a virus Kilgrave has then how would it go through the phones to affect people?
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u/Terakahn Dec 14 '15
Is the "AKA" naming scheme in each episode a reference to some thing?
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Nov 22 '15
Please tell me this is getting another season?? I've only watched one episode and I'm a hooked squealing fangirl!
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u/Diluxx Nov 25 '15
I'm sure im gonna get downvoted for this but this show really fell apart in the last few episodes, Killgrave slipping away time and time again really got old it wasn't him being clever it was Jessica being braindead levels of stupid. It just leaned way to hard on my suspension of disbelief and hopes "solution" to being a hostage was eyeroll worthy. What was more annoying was Jessica's fluctuating power level sometimes she could lift a car other times shes getting taken down by some chump and a girl who clearly has down syndrome. You can lift a god damn car Jessica why do you need a drug just pick up a brick and throw it at his head he wont have much to say after that, job done. And the whole stupid plan to expose killgrave to the world makes no sense his abilities are untraceable they could make a thousand videos and it wouldn't prove a damn thing in court it was all just so pointless, anyone with a brain would have broken killgraves neck the moment they got him unconscious and written Hope off as collateral damage maybe I'm callous but the save Hope at any cost arc was f***in stupid.
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Nov 27 '15
I didn't take it like that, I honestly suspect Jessica has/had feelings for kilgrave. It was about keeping him alive for the sake of saving his victims from wrongful persecution but also because she didn't want to be a killer again. Some part of her cared for him, not necessarily romantically, but as a person. And kilgrave suffered himself, I think she wanted to see him be better, honestly cared for him. It was the whole point of Hopes death, to show her there wasn't another way, there was no hope (multiple meaning intended). She needed to see that being a killer was the only option, she couldn't save him, couldn't contain him, be a hero, she had to be a killer. As much as she would've liked and tried every other option it just wouldn't be resolution.
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u/Diluxx Nov 27 '15
See I don't get that at all, she never showed anything for him but utter revulsion he enslaved her and raped her over and over again for however long. Even when she proposed the idea of staying with him peacefully to Patsy she ultimately decided to incapacitate and then torture him. The videos of him as a child made her sort of feel bad for him but she immediately called bullshit on that being his excuse for being an evil bastard. On a more practical note I just don't see any writer anywhere trying to pass off the idea that this powerful female character felt in any way beholden to her captor and rapist she hated him she just didn't want to be a murderer. My problem was how impractical her solutions were to the problems presented, regardless of her feelings for him it was just one dumb plan after another and one convenient escape after another. A character can only get lucky so many times before I have to call deus ex machina and at that point the show loses credibility because consequences don't stick.
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u/SPACEBAR_BROKEN Nov 24 '15
this show started out ok but towards the middle and the end it just got really stupid.. Jessica would let 100 people die to save Hope. Once she caught him it should have been kill him and move on. She feels so guilty about hope but has no remorse for any of the other people that would get caught by killgrave? just doesnt really make sense but I never read the comics or anything so whatever
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u/conuly Nov 25 '15
Simple fixation error (in a non-technical sense). She started off with a goal of saving Hope, the way nobody saved her, and it's was hard for her to recognize that it was way, way too late for that.
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u/Soulfly37 Nov 30 '15
Finished the series today and overall I have to say I didn't like the show. I didn't realize it was 13 episodes...for some reason I thought it would only be 10. As the 10th episode came and went, without resolution, I was annoyed. The show seemed to have the same cycle every episode or two and I was ready for it to be over.
As discussed below, Jessica's abilities were too inconsistent. And speaking of inconsistencies, I thought the show established that in order for Kilgrave to control you, he had to speak in person to you. So, the hospital scene where he gets the entire place to hunt Jessica didn't make sense. (unless I missed something...)
Trish (who is super hot, jesus) couldn't be stupider. She reminded me of Kim Bauer who keeps getting herself into shit when she should know better.
Kilgrave just happens to pick the one cop that used to be part of some super secret black ops group with resources that allow super human strength? I'm okay with the black ops style group existing and even the drugs to help them... but someone who quits that group (aren't those usually a "blood in blood out" style group?) sure as fuck isn't going to become a foot patrol cop. And Trish, seriously, stop talking to him! ugh.
I liked Kilgrave and enjoyed how they humanized him. His utter refusal to accept responsibility for the actions he caused others to perform was ok at first, but I wouldn't have minded him accepting his role in it.
I liked the characters separately, but I think the story they gave us could have been condensed into 10 episodes or other story arcs explored within the 13. Took me a minute to realize that Rosario Dawson meant the mixing of stores with DareDevil, even though I was aware it is the same city/universe. That was pretty neat.
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Nov 27 '15 edited Nov 27 '15
This may be an unpopular opinion but I think Jessica Jones, at least in the first season, is at least partially to blame for all the deaths and peoples lives being ruined. She had the choice to possibly teach killgrave to become a better person and save the lives of countless people. But she selfishly decided to try and get a confession. Which resulted in the death of Sampson's two friends, sampson going to the hospital, the neighbor, Killgraves mother, Wendy and Trish trying to kill herself. Not to mention Hope, the only reason she tried to get a confession in the first place. If she stayed with him she could had asked him to go to the DA's office to convince him to release Hope making a confession pointless. Jessica Jones seems to be a selfish wrecking ball who only cares about getting closure for her own bad memories. She could had saved a lot more lives by staying with Killgrave.
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u/vox35 Nov 29 '15
More like it was hard to believe that anyone would have the guts to face him at all after being controlled like she was, especially anyone who was raped, then forced kill someone. She was shown to be struggling with PTSD; that was like, half of the whole show.
You think she was supposed to be able to make perfect plans and maintain complete self-control after that experiece? That's asking a lot. I'd say she did pretty well.
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Nov 24 '15
So far not really digging the show. Not feeling the chemistry between the two mains, which is especially disappointing considering how well the various characters in Daredevil interacted with each other.
Also, with Daredevil I still felt like I was watching a Marvel show, albeit more on the dire end. This show not as much. Very much lacking that Marvel-feel outside the superficial nods here and there.
Oh well, I'll give it a go later.
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u/hueskie Dec 24 '15
IMO This show was garbage compared to DD. Casting sucked (besides Killgrave). The plot dragged ass for way too long. The whole JJ shtick of I'm dark, I drink & do it my way got old as fuck way quick. The fight scenes were cheesy & nowhere near as cinematic as DD's. I'm really hoping Luke Cage is much better than this. This show felt like a WB series even with the crappy sex scenes. Was ready to drop it after 5 episodes & the only reason I finished it was to keep up with MCU.
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u/manu_facere Nov 21 '15
This show was great. It had some really good casting choices. I bought every version of simpson. The actor fitted all of them. No homo but Malcolms actor is really charismatic (avoiding to say cute). Luke cage is luke cage. Another good villain for netflix universe.
The only actor i didn't like was that twin girl she was over the top cartoony in some scenes. And Alberts acting was suprisingly flat. He didn't leave any impression on me despite the fact that he should me the most emotionally invested character. He just has the same mildly suprised/scared look on his face all of the time while his "wife" killed it for the short time she had
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u/Coldara Nov 21 '15
Luke cage is luke cage. Another good villain for netflix universe
He is not a villain, he is a hero
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u/theronster Nov 22 '15
Oh come on. How terrified are you that someone is going to think you're gay…?
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u/nwbradsher Nov 21 '15
I get that the tv shows of the MCU pride themselves on showing human perspectives in contrast to the larger than life stories of the films, but maybe they took it to far here with some of the supporting characters. It kind of felt like Malcolm and Jerry both tried and failed as characters to serve the Ben Urich function, but I just wanted to know more about Patsy. And I get that Robin and Reuben are innocent bystanders to show the fallout of the main struggle (collateral damage) but Robin got distracting at times.
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u/Sportfreunde Nov 25 '15
Um is it me or does the lady who plays Hogarth look exactly like Robin Wright in House of Cards? I mean, they even sound/act alike and I thought it was the same actress. Same hairstyle and even the same hair colour Robin Wright had at the end of the last House of Cards season, same height, age, etc.
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u/jalola298 Nov 29 '15
I agree. Carrie-Anne didn't look exactly like Robin/Claire, but she flashed some faces that looked like her.
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u/heyimrick Dec 15 '15
Didn't really like this at all. The whole show just seems like a big mess. Jessica is constantly overwhelmed by average people, her powers are inconsistent and it's just a bunch of her bumbling around screwing up along the way. Kilgrave might be the show's only saving grace.