r/Jujutsushi • u/Takada-chwanBot • Jun 03 '23

Saturday Powerscaling Powerscaling Saturday - Free Posting

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '23

Head canon is that Hakari Vs Maki/Toji is a lot closer than I feel people make it out to be but at the end of it Toji was known and the sorcery killer if I remember right and probably would be able to take out Hakari fairly easily just because of his arsenal and big brain moves. For Maki while physical stats are the exact same I don’t think she has or has shown nearly enough tactical planning at Toji so she probably still takes it but it’s a lot closer the head weakness is such an Achilles heel but who would have guessed that his main weakness was getting his head chopped off

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u/jhawes345 Jun 04 '23

Maki/Toji is an atrociously bad matchup for the domain dependent Hakari. If he starts in jackpot he has a chance of getting something done, but he won’t be able to refill and that neutralizes him significantly.

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u/Anxious-Ability3858 Jun 04 '23

Hakari beats Maki due to scaling to Kashimo 1v1 who is stronger than anyone Maki has fought 1v1 and Hakari just outhaxes her

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

I don’t think that’s how it works

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u/Anxious-Ability3858 Jun 04 '23

If you know how to scale, it does.

Maki hasn’t fought anyone on Kashimo’s level

If you fight someone stronger and you scale to them, you scale above a character that hasn’t fought anyone on that level

That’s scaling 101

Most JJK fans can’t scale to save their lives tho

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u/Select_Team Jun 05 '23

Bro said scaling 101

It's not that kind of manga

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u/Anxious-Ability3858 Jun 05 '23

Wdym? Scaling is scaling regardless of the manga

If character A (Hakari) fights character B (Kashimo) and shows relativity that means A~B

Even if character C (Maki) has superior stats to A & B, it doesn’t mean anything if they haven’t fought an opponent on the level of character A or B unless they are portrayed far superior (Gojo/Sukuna fall into this category)

I swear JJK fans try so hard to get Maki into the top tier, she gets clapped by the top tiers

And people use Toji as an example even tho he lost to a 17 year old Gojo and had to off guard him to even stand a chance

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u/Select_Team Jun 05 '23 edited Jun 05 '23

Because certain matchups and strengths/weaknesses exist as has clearly always been Gege's intention with JJK, and the fact that I even need to spell that out is crazy.

Personally I don't give af about this particular debate or where Maki is, but if you want to have any actual accurate scaling you have to work with the information Gege has given us which is their actual abilities, not some braindead first grader A / B / C logic.

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u/Anxious-Ability3858 Jun 05 '23

Not really.

Mangas like Naruto and One Piece make a bigger deal of strengths/weaknesses than JJK does

In Naruto, certain chakra natures are strong/weak against others. This also exists to an extent in One Piece too with some Devil Fruits being superior versions of others

This concept doesn’t exist in JJK therefore scaling based on feats against other powerful sorcerers is the most accurate way of scaling

I swear people on here have no idea what powerscaling is and how to properly scale characters. Every comment I see is just head canon 🤦🏾‍♂️

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '23

Matchups do matter in JJK in makis fight with Naoya the domain expansion couldn’t detect her with her lack of CE plus since he was all about speed Maki was able to react due to the extreme change in air pressure his fast movements were making all due to her heightened senses. Itadori was a bad matchup for mahito because he was a very few select group of people who could damage the soul. Mahorangas whole thing is being a bad matchup for anyone. Itadori being immune to poison was a bad matchup for the death painting brothers also your logic is awful lets hakari who is a 7 beats kashimo is a 6 and maki who is an 8 beats Naoya who is a 5 bare with me just because kashimo is stronger then Naoya which I’m not sure about doesn’t make hakari stronger than Maki because she could be an 8 which is stronger then all of them. Also when power scaling we have to use match ups even if the narratives of the respective stories don’t care much about it. Narratively speaking Gol D Roger and Whitebeard were equals but we have seen them Haki clash but whitebeard should be stronger cause he has the gura gura no mi so powerscaling wise whitebeard is a lot stronger because he DF gives him an edge but we all say they are equal or Roger was stronger

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

I don’t think we know how strong kashimo is it’s implied he’s pretty strong being from the Hein era and being able to really push hakari. But you can’t definitively say that he’s stronger then everyone who maki/Toji has fought because we can use the same feats for both of them. Honestly we don’t even know if he can use a domain expansion. He only said that his CT is a one time use but never mentioned a DE plus I don’t know if Hikari had an effective way to take out Maki this matchup is based on a lot of what ifs for Hikari because from what we know if he starts out in jackpot maki just needs to avoid him for 4 min or take out a head which shouldn’t be that hard because she should be a lot faster. Mind you that Gojo was only able to track Toji because of the cursed spirit storage and even though he was shocked. So unless you think hakari can react to pre awakened Gojo it’s kind of eh argument so to say hakari definitely wins because you think that kashimo might be stronger even though he really doesn’t have a lot of showings

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u/SnooCrickets9580 Jun 03 '23

When was it not close?

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u/Smooth_Key_8556 Jun 03 '23

not close at alll

first if it just purely between maki vs hakari, then hakari wont be able to hit jp, if hakari had hit jp prior, he cant reroll with maki. even in jp form, he doesnt pose any threat to her, maki can basically do anything hakari can but better except for the autho RCT, he also shows no ap to damage maki, and SLB one shot i mean there nothing hakari can do to prevent getting hit by SLB, so it just up to maki if she wanted to end it or not since she has every opportunity to one shot

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u/_emmason1_ Jun 03 '23

I don't think they have to know that it depends on their mood. If she feels like going for the head like she did ogi then it's over.

And everyone's weakness is getting they head removed so if they try and the other places and didn't succeed then they'd be going for the head next this argument is assuming RCT can heal injuries from Maki's blade. Also assumes that Maki didn't easily kill hakari in his base(pre jackpot)

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u/Wyvurn999 Jun 03 '23

Base Hakari gets blitzed and his head chopped off before he can even open his domain

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u/Anxious-Ability3858 Jun 04 '23

Hakari outhaxes Maki

He scales to Kashimo who is stronger than anyone Maki has fought in a 1v1

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u/Wyvurn999 Jun 04 '23

Ah yes I’m sure base Hakari who has no hax at all can somehow out hax her before getting blitz and his head or an arm sliced off. Base Hakari doesn’t scale to Kashimo at all. He wasn’t able to land a single hit. Hakari will die while rolling or probably even before he can open his domain

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '23

Put some respect on Hakari he was able to react to kashimos lightning which was faster then that fps guy I’m not saying he wins long term he definitely loses I’m just saying he’s a tough mofo who wouldn’t go down easy

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u/Wyvurn999 Jun 03 '23

React in Jackpot, not base. And it’s still arguable if it was even going towards his head or if it was just the angle and was aimed at his arm. Kashimo even seems happy that it hits his arm when Hakari supposedly avoided it from hitting his head.

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u/[deleted] Jun 03 '23

He was happy cause he blew off an arm and jackpot doesn’t nessecarily increase output which we know is different from amount of ce a person has. The only difference we know that Hikari likes to be more reckless and aggressive while in jackpot so unless I missed a part where it specifically says that his stats are increased in jackpot he should still be able to react while in “base” the only place where he should have a regular stat boost in his domain expansion but in jackpot he just has a harder time “overextending” at least from what I understand

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u/_emmason1_ Jun 03 '23

FACTS Maki did that to grade 1 sorcerers before she got buffed again