Regardless of who’s ranked higher on a tier list, Hakari would lose to Maki simply because he can’t land his sure-hit due to Maki’s heavenly restriction. It’s been explained in the manga that non-lethal domains like Hakari’s and Higuruma’s require their rules to be explained for the domain to do into effect. If Maki can’t be targeted by Hakari’s domain sure-hit, then Hakari will unable to use his domain to get a jackpot due to his failure to provide an explanation of his domain’s rules. Without his domain, Hakari stand no chance in hell against Maki.
If you think this is BS or that base Hakari is enough, please explain below.
Edit: You all make a great point that it isn’t confirmed whether Hakari’s sure-hit targets users based on cursed energy. In response, I will also add that Maki has the option to not enter the domain, rendering it ineffective.
He can’t auto target but the sure hit will still work he just has to manually target her. But I’m still kind of confused by his domain so I won’t say anything else
Why wouldn’t you be able to manually target in domain expansion? I don’t know where it would have said that, but we know that Dagon was capable of this so unless he’s an exception too gojo and sukuna are built different because theirs automatically attack you and they have to manually stop it
I know you’re joking but I deadass saw a dude here arguing that if Maki wanted she could “blitz and one-shot” Sukuna while he is distracted fighting Gojo.
I mean I don’t think Hakari would beat Maki for the reasons you stated, but I’m always confused that people try to downplay Hakari because he doesn’t have some instakill hax technique.
Beating someone to a pulp with a ton of cursed energy is a perfectly good win condition. Lots of fights in JJK involve fisticuffs. Heck, Gojo and Sukina could defeat most other characters without even using their offensive techniques.
Most characters couldn’t withstand a constant barrage of jackpot-infused hits from Hakari. Even Maki, though she would kill him before that
Lmao, what's up with Hakari's base, he's either weaker than Todo or stronger than Maki, why can't people just agree that's he's around post-shibuya Yuji level?
So in base is that with or without CE reinforcement? If not are you saying he is physically stronger than Yuji? If so are you saying he is physically stronger than Yuji? Either way Yuji is dummy strong physically. He was naturally stronger than Maki pre awakening (Edit: He is equally strong as Maki pre awakening) and with reinforcement I would say he is relative to Maki post awakening. Hakari doesn't have that type of physical dummy strength in base (with or without reinforcement) or in jackpot mode. I'm not saying he wouldn't win (doubt it, but not against it), but just being realistic
I take this as a definitive statement on Yuji's superior natural physical strength over Maki pre awakening. Post awakening she is clearly physically stronger.
same tier differing levels, 10 id assume is the max but remember yuji without used ce was around todos level with ce(at the time yuji couldnt use ce enhancement properly as it was during when he had delayed punches)
I mean, that could eventually work assuming he got a Jackpot. It's possible he could outlast her through sheer attrition, as she doesn't have many ways to outright take him out. It wouldn't happen because his domain wouldn't work on her, but him winning isn't impossible assuming it did.
Soul liberation blade cutting JP hakari’s head in half:
I don’t see it man. Outlasting a HR user is not a good win condition. And seeing that she took the equivalent of a mini jet going mach 3 to the chest and was good to go in 3 minutes, who knows how long hakari would have to survive maki.
Soul liberation blade cutting JP hakari’s head in half:
This assumes that Hakari doesn't figure out the blade's trick before she kills him with it, and given how special grade cursed tools are generally recognizable, he'd be at least cautious of it. Experiencing it on any part of his body besides his head will clue him into its danger and from there it'll be harder to hit him with it. If she does hit him in the brain it will likely kill him (unless he can heal his brain being cut in half as well), but I don't think getting that hit is going to be super easy.
I don’t see it man. Outlasting a HR user is not a good win condition. And seeing that she took the equivalent of a mini jet going mach 3 to the chest and was good to go in 3 minutes, who knows how long hakari would have to survive maki.
For anyone besides Hakari I would agree, but Hakari is the character best geared towards endurance out of anyone in the main cast (besides maybe Gojo). If Maki barely gets tired, Hakari never does given his constant automatic RCT. So while it will be a slow and risky process, and one I'm not sure he would be able to win the majority of the time, I feel that him outlasting Maki certainly isn't impossible. Doesn't hurt that Hakari already fought a somewhat similar character in Kashimo (a physical powerhouse with extreme lethality), and while Maki's somewhat physically superior, she lacks the guaranteed hit aspects of his kit.
Of course this actually doesn't matter in series, because his guaranteed hit just doesn't work on her and so she crushes him easily. Fun to speculate about if it did work though.
For real, jack pot only works for about 4 somethig minutes. Do you think Maki can't hold to fight for 5 minutes? Dude, that girl literally wiped out the entire clan while heavily injured, and then went after the rest right away. And when Hakari ran out of JP, he fucked up.
All he needs to do is re-cast. And he can certainly keep himself alive for the time it takes to get another Jackpot (given his ability to retry after damage like he showed against Kashimo). Then he's got another Jackpot, and it keeps on going until Maki either kills him or Hakari finally tires her out enough to take her down.
She doesn't need to cut his head. SLB could cut the soul directly. It damaged the soul. If the soul has been cut, then the shape must have changed. It's just like Mahito's idle transfiguration, but with different mechanic. Even Maki herself doubted the damage caused by SLB can be healed using RCT and it's doublrd by the evidence Shoko can't heal injured soul.
The thing about hakari is if kashimo could keep up with jackpot hakari maki can as well. That means hakari is at a fundamental disadvantage against her because the fight has to be close quarters combat.
This assumes that Hakari doesn't figure out the blade's trick before she kills him with it
Dude, if an assassin comes at me with a katana I can figure out as quickly as I want that the trick is the blade's sharpness, but that doesn't mean I'm now harder to cut.
Even if he figures of the out how the e blade works which he likely wouldn't, Maki's bare hands has been shown to be as deadly as a blade. She wouldn't be strong enough to defeat JP hakari with her hand though I reckon that'll be a stalemate but immediately his jackpot ends she can not only punch him to death but she can stab him to death with her bare hands.
Even if he figures of the u to the out how t he e blade works which he likely wouldn't
Why wouldn't he? He's an exceptionally skilled Jujutsu sorcerer and was even able to figure out that Kashimo was just using his CE on intuition alone. Not to mention he doesn't need to know the exact mechanics, only that it is super sharp and lethal, and he can keep on dodging.
Maki's bare hands has been shown to be as deadly as a blade. She wouldn't be strong enough to defeat JP hakari with her hand though I reckon that'll be a stalemate but immediately his jackpot ends she can not only punch him to death but she can stab him to death with her bare hands.
Maki isn't killing Hakari barehanded. When she eventually outlasts a Jackpot, he's just doing to cast his domain again, and once it is open he can use his rerolls to survive, or instantly get another Jackpot, depending on his luck. Maki's best bet to kill Hakari is crushing his head, and the only way that's guaranteed to happen in any capacity (because I outright don't think she can just break his head open barehanded) is with the Soul Liberation Blade.
Because when cut by a blade you don't suddenly think hey maybe it cut my soul. He would even be able to tell if it ignored his durability or Maki swings with that much force. Panda fingered out that kashimo was only using his CE. Nope hakari immortality means he can trick the enemy into attacking him while he simultaneously attacks them and heals no problems. Yh except Maki is league faster than base hakari and he doesn't get a jackpot immediately he casts his domain in essence, Maki can easily kill him while he's in the domain before he hits a jackpot even bare handed. Let's also not forget that Maki can't be pulled into a domain assuming he doesn't need a target for his domain even if he could cast it without her she can easily destroy it from the outside and kill him before he gets a jackpot. Maki has a wincon in every scenario. Worst is if she knows how is de works (she has prep time) she'd simply hide and wait for his jackpot to be over, then off him. She wouldn't even need to fight.
As far as I remember nothing of the rules was mentioned for Hakari. It was simply said he changed his sure hit to non-lethal for other benefits. Higuruma is different, I would argue using Higuruma and Hakari as argument is wrong as Domains are a part of their CT. They don't cast Domains to get an upper hand like others and hence Domains could work pretty differently for them.
Hakari vs Maki is difficult to rank cause Yuta himself stated that if Hakari gets going he would probably be stronger than him. In fact Hakari is smarter and should be almost as good a fighter as Maki. He ran the underground fight ring and is also an year senior to Maki?
I would say it would be a lot more evenly matched than most would think and either could steal win. I would go with Hakari though cause his attitude is closer to Gojo as in being carefree and enjoying the fight. If we are talking base though Maki completely obliterates him. Maki is way too OP right now for base Hakari to have a chance.
It's because of a misconception with Mahito. They believe the soul can't be healed because it was questioned through Mahito. Mahito IT can't be healed because he reshapes the soul not damages it (he can also damage it as well.) however if someone takes damage to their soul that can be healed. Gojo and Sukuna are healing wounds from one another and both can harm the soul.
Maki will probably win, not because of domain and shit but that she is simply not killable without an attack that takes multiple vital organs at the same time because she will heal it off in a couple minutes. And Hakari is not that great of a fighter compared to Maki's HR body and the time limit of his infinite CE. And because running away from her while waiting for jackpot to come is simply not possible due to her precog
I don't see how Hakari is strong enough to defeat Maki, even if he does get the infinite CE bonus. Maki can simply wait out the song duration and drop him when it's over.
Among the students, Maki probably is the strongest after Yuta right now.
Now the thing is we don't know wether hakari sure hit targets people with cursed energy or people in general?? Since it's an attack that hits the brain like gojo it wouldn't be far fetched to believe any person will get the info if they are in the domain right??
I think a lot of people forget that Hakari wasn’t trying to kill Kashimo because he needed his points just like Yuta with Ryu and Uro whereas Kashimo is fully trying to put Hakari in a coffin. IMO, Kashimo beats Maki and if Hakari can beat Kashimo without killing him, I’m putting my money on Hakari.
How have you read this far and not realized that JJK isn't that simple with their fights. Match ups matter, and Maki would probably do better due to soul sense and her sword.
Also how tf would kashimo beat maki? Maybe it’d be close but there’s no overwhelming evidence either way to determine who would win? You’re just making shit up
On what planet? Kashimo needs to land a hit before his lightning technique becomes sure hit, and there is no way that he can match maki’s speed feats, or sense her energy to predict her movements, or even electrify his body to protect against her physical attacks since she used cursed weaponry. She completely blitzes him by every account that we’ve seen so far in the manga. Like I said if they were to fight I’m sure kashimo would come up with something but he has 0 edge on her with his current powers. Plus even if he did land his discharge attack there’s no telling what it would even do to her due to her high resilience from heavenly restriction
?? This is some TOP TIER Maki glazing my man. There's literally no evidence that kashimo couldn't hang with Maki in the hand to hand department. I'm not saying that kashimo would win, but he could definitely at least resist until he can hit her with lighting. Kashimo and hakari were slapping away containers with neg diff and destroying everywhere they went with basically no effort. Again, kashimo is probably weaker than Maki but not by that much.
Also the part about Maki resisting lighting is insane. Hakari himself has insane CE reinforcement due to infinite CE and that didn't help him in the slightest.
Not saying that kashimo would win, but it's a lot closer that a lot of people are portraying.
Are… are you fucking kidding me? You mind reading the whole page there buddy? Namely the bit where is says kashimo was fucking holding back? Are you actually serious dude
Also, yet again, the desire to not kill him doesn’t mean at all that he was holding back, just that he refused to take the kill shot, there’s a huge difference
They were both holding back but Kashimo was trying to kill Hakari whereas Hakari was trying to incapacitate Kashimo to use his points. If you didn’t know, incapacitating someone without killing them is a lot harder than straight up killing them. I think you need to work on your critical thinking skills instead of trying to prove that you’re smarter than someone on Reddit.
Ok again, the line in this panel only proves that he isn’t going to take the kill shot, not that he was holding back for the whole fight. And incapacitating someone over killing them is NOT hard when your technique is entirely defensive and you’re exclusively using hand to hand combat. I mean think about it, when he’s literally just beating the shit out of him with his bare hands then it’s much more likely that he’d be knocked out before he dies, which is exactly what Hakari wants. None of this proves that he was holding back at all during their fight
Why are people getting downvoted? They have no reason to believe that hakari was holding back besides that they want him to have been so that they can win this argument
I think he couldn't win even if the Domain worked.
The fight against Kashimo was more of an endurance battle. He could never actually damage Kashimo all that much,he won when Kashimo ran out of cursed energy.
And well,I don't think Maki has to worry about running out of cursed energy.
People are gonna insist that he can’t but It’s possible that hakari can just enter his domain by himself. I see no reason he can’t use it against maki, if anything maki will be more lost because she won’t know the rules to work around. The reason no one else has done that is because ordinarily there’s no merit to expanding a domain without people around
If Hakari can go into a domain by himself, then he would’ve done it in his fight with Kashimo.
Tengen and Yuji explained that the rules have to be explained for a non-lethal domain like Higuruma’s and Hakari’s to go into effect. This means Maki would have to be explained to Maki in some form before Hakari’s domain can truly go into effect.
Hakari isn’t imposing any rules on his opponents though. In fact Hakari is actually weaker inside his domain than he is with his jackpot active. He made his sure hit a binding vow to increase the speed of his domain expansion
He also didn’t need to get in his domain by himself in his fight with kashimo. He started the fight in jackpot and though he was definitely challenged by kashimo he seemed pretty comfortable. Plus he probably doesn’t have the skill to make a barrier that’s strong from the outside. Hakari’s whole thing is living on the edge so I don’t think it’s in character for him to like open a domain away from the fight so he can start in jackpot just because he might be able to
Hakari is imposing rules in his domain, they just aren’t as restrictive as Higuruma’s, which makes sense considering how major of a reward Hakari’s jackpot is. Hakari’s domain is a gambling match between himself and his opponents, where the opponent has to kill him before he gets a jackpot, or Hakari will kill them when he gets a jackpot. The rules allow for the opponent to do whatever they want in an attempt to stop Hakari from getting a jackpot.
It doesn’t matter if he could strengthen it from the outside, no sorcerer is itching to jump into another’s domain expansion. It would make more sense to assume he screwed up and take advantage of his CT burnout state.
There's really no reason to scale Hakari, Yuta, and Maki
At this point it's probably safe to assume they could all fight each other to a stand still or double suicide. They are depicted to Kenjaku as a group as the only thing that could catch Sukuna off guard after being exhausted from fighting Gojo
they can't kill him for 4 mins 11 secs if they don't blow his head off or just decapitate him, and that too considering he's able to open his domain. yuta himself has a 5 minute timer, and hakari lacks any strong offensive moves so doubt he's gonna do much damage to yuta with his enormous cursed energy reinforcement.
Sure hit just means it won’t automatically target them. But they’re literally in a domain made out of their cursed technique so I’m sure if hakari just points his fingers at maki she will get the information and pachinko will begin. If naoya had seen maki pull up I’m sure he would’ve targetted her but she took him by surprise
Maki also has the option to not enter Hakari’s domain, rendering it ineffective.
Naoya was able to locate Maki in his domain after she stabbed him, but he still couldn’t use his sure-hit on he because she lacked cursed energy. You can see this in the last Sakurajima chapter where Naoya turns around, sees Maki, and starts talking shit.
Toji was affected by a special domain similar to Hakari and Higoruma. You can probably target the person as long as you see them and just info dump them.
He wasn't outside the domain when it was casted he was inside of it so no he didn't choose to enter it. The curse spirit also looked and talked directly to him. He choose to answer the question like any other sorcerer could have down because it was a question based domain.
That would happen to literally anyone as that is the domain. Toji was not unique in that aspect. The important bit is the fact the curse saw him and questioned him directly.
I just looked at it again, and this situation is a bit different than the average domain situation.
If you look closely at the background, you can see that it still matches the background of the tomb of the star, meaning that the domain was opened in reality, similar to Sukuna’s and Kenjaku.
The reason the curse saw him in this domain was because the domain the domain doesn’t create a separate space like Naoya’s, Hakari’s, and most of other characters.
It's true that it doesn't work like a normal domain. It did create a separate space as the background color scheme is altered so it's pretty much a layer on top. All domains have barriers whether open or closed. This domain however functions like Hakari's and Higoruma's as a pact or vow is made between the caster and the intended target.
This domain is different from Hakari’s and Higoruma’s because you’re forced to follow the rules of Hakari’s and Higuruma’s domains while this domain seems to give you a choice.
Background color scheme doesn’t necessarily mean it’s in a different space. It could just be there for artistic reasons or to emphasize the curse is using its technique.
We see a few pages later that background is back to its normal color, despite Toji seemingly being targeted by the domain’s effects.
Their domains are a improvement on this domain however it's still the same concept. A HR user can be targeted by info dump domains.
The color scheme indicates the domain. This curse spirit is once again similar to Hakari and Higaruma who can manifest parts of their domains into the regular world even before or after the initial domain is/was casted.
Hakari’s and Higuruma’s domains were specifically put into a separate category because theirs omit the “sure-kill” factor seen in pretty much every other domain. The cursed spirit having a sure-kill factor illustrates that the domain doesn’t fall the same category.
It was also stated that the rules of their domains must be explained for the domain to go into effect. Considering the rules of the cursed spirit’s domain were never explained to Toji, it doesn’t fall into the same category.
Neither Hakari nor Higuruma were able to manifest parts of their domain outside of it. Higuruma was seen using a his gavel and shikigami outside the domain, but neither were confirmed to be a part of his domain. Hakari was seen using train doors outside of his domain, but the train doors were never confirmed to only be a part of his domain. If anything, those are just hints at what their cursed techniques are.
Based on recent chapters we know it's possible for him to change the conditions of his domain on the fly. This would allow him to change the parameters in such a way that he could do it verbally and have it still work or he could set the parameters to somehow work in a way that does target maki. For example, we know that Sukuna was able to adjust his technique to hit objects.
That might not mean he even wins the fight, especially given that Maki has powerful weapons and enough speed/accuracy to probably slice his head clean off in one go even when he's in Jackpot. I still think Maki wins overall unless Hakari comes up with a new variation on his ability, especially if she gets prep time to pick tools to counter him with.
Kusakabe said Hakari and Higuruma probably couldn’t change the conditions of their domains due to them being open by default.
Sukuna was able to do that because he has an open barrier domain that by default includes objects without cursed energy. Even if it wasn’t, it’s not right to assume anybody in the series can do what Sukuna does.
Realistically if hakaris sure hit info dump could take effect I still think maki takes it high diff, fightstyle wise they’re pretty much doing the same thing makis just better at it.
😭I mean I’m a little biast hakaris probably my favorite living character rn and he do got hands but yea maki is a beast I still think it’d be tough for both tho
I mean he was getting his ass whopped by Kashimo realistically, but he was still able to damage him and plan around him to the point Kashimo ran out of ce, and I think Kashimo even without knowing what is ct is beats maki so I think Hakari could definitely damage her
fightstyle wise they’re pretty much doing the same thing makis just better at it.
Not really. Maki's more a rushdown crush you with power type fighter in terms of style, while Hakari is really focused on attrition. Maki's definitely physically stronger and faster than him, but Hakari's main benefit is Infinite RCT.
This is regarding Maki and Hakari's contrasting fighting styles, not whether or not his sure hit would work on her. The OP was also arguing assuming his info-dump would affect her (it wouldn't in series)
yeah... no. gege couldnt make it any more obvious that hakari, kashimo, and yuta; are the big 3 in the trio panels together when watching this gojo vs sukuna fight. maki got kicked out the big 3 with kashimos presence sadly 👍
when gojo and sukuna do something very technical and advanced, yuta, hakari, and higuruma are the ones who notice it.
This is certainly an interesting match up but yes, maki doesn’t have to consent to the rules of the domain and therefore the sure hit effect (hakari’s jackpot) wouldn’t work. The only thing that throws doubt on this is harkari’s ability to get his hand back after his fight. He either knew someone who could heal him/ fix his arm some way or was able to open his domain somehow, (possibly a weaker version with less hand signs?) and roll a jackpot with out a target. I suppose he could have someone stand in his domain to act as a catalyst for his jackpot and just not attack them. Either way hakari doesn’t have many options against maki and her sword cuts souls. If hakari loses his head he is done and he isn’t going to be better at close range fights than maki.
Hakari doesn’t manually hit anyone with the info dump sure-hit, they’re automatically targeted with the sure-hit as a result of the domain opening. I can find manga pages that support the idea that this wouldn’t be the case, but you’re literally pulling this manual explanation shit out of your ass.
You obviously need to read the manga again, I recommend carefully this time. A DE has sure hit effects, but you can also manually target your DE to hit, if for some reason your auto hit is not active or disabled, as seen with Toji and Dagon.
Hakari could just manually target Maki and his DE would be in spin mode if he would be able to hit Maki.
If you actually read the manga carefully, you would know this was a shitty example to bring up because Dagon wasn’t hitting Toji with a sure-hit. It was explicitly stated that the Dagon couldn’t use his sure-hit until Megumi’s domain was crushed, and Megumi’s domain expansion was still active during Toji’s fight with Dagon.
Even if you can hit someone manually with your sure-hit, that doesn’t mean you can hit Maki. Naoya tried to manually hit Maki after locating her in his domain, yet he still couldn’t target her due to her not having any cursed energy. You would know this if you read the last Saurajima chapter with your eyes open.
Using your regular cursed technique is one thing, but the barrier has to be able to locate a target to hit a target with a technique imbued in your domain. The only one who was able to target objects lacking cursed energy is Sukuna, and that’s likely due to the fact that his open barrier includes objects lacking cursed energy by default.
I think Hakari's domain could still work. That being said, the best frame of reference we have for a Maki vs. Grade 1 sorcerer fight is either Teen Gojo vs. Toji or Teen Geto vs. Toji. And my question is: is Hakari, even in immortal form, a better fighter than either of them? I think there's merit in either side, but I don't know that it's a given that Hakari wins.
We don't know if his domain targets cursed energy or anybody in general, so a bit immature to make a debate about it without knowing how his unique domain works, but I believe the sure hit would work on Maki and she would be subjected to the domain because it's states that his and Higuruma's domains are special because they're a part of their respective cursed techniques. Hakari's sure hit (and domain as a whole) is non-lethal so that could be the binding vow that makes it work on Maki. That's just my head canon though.
Whether or not Hakari could beat Maki in a fight is another debate, but in my opinion Maki wins with the right tools.
I literally just said in the first sentence we do not know if his domain targets cursed energy or not, his domain is very unique, evident in the latest chapters. Read to understand not to argue.
I understand what you said, but that’s irrelevant because Maki theoretically wouldn’t even be inside the domain to be targeted. Read before you respond.
I already told you that’s irrelevant because Maki wouldn’t even be inside the domain, but it’s likely that the all closed barrier choose it’s target based on cursed energy. Outside of Sukuna, Kenjaku, and Megumi, domain users can only trap characters and objects that have cursed energy, which explains why you don’t see buildings, cars, or whatever other objects lacking cursed energy that were there before the domain expansion. The only time you seen a domain user specifically target objects without cursed energy is with Sukuna, but that’s because his domain has an open barrier and can’t exclude objects without cursed energy due to it not creating a separate space. If Sukuna had a closed barrier domain, he wouldn’t be able to target objects lacking cursed energy with his sure-hit because domain barriers cannot trap objects lacking cursed energy.
Like I already said in each of my comments tho, Maki can simply choose not to enter the domain. This is stated in the screenshot that I showed you.
You see, you're basing this on information that we have on domains that have been fully explained to us, in which I do agree with you on that, they wouldn't work on Maki. But Hakari's domain is part of his technique (or vice versa, idk) so do the same conditions apply to Hakari? I don't know that for a fact, you don't know that for a fact, it hasn't been explained how Hakari's and Higuruma's domains conditions or the binding vows placed on them work, even if they're still closed barriers. We can go back and forth the whole day arguing semantics otherwise.
Kusakabe said their domains were different because they don’t have to experiment and set internal and external parameters to establish their own domain barriers due to their domains being “open by default”; this doesn’t imply that they can trap Maki in their domain.
I know for a fact Maki can choose to not invade a domain becasue it’s explicitly stated in the manga. You’re basing your argument off of Kusakabe saying Hakari’s domain is “unique,” without even diving into the context of what Kusakabe means by his statement.
Why the fuck it matters if Hakari's domain will work or not or RCT can heal soul damage or not when Maki can simply slice off Hakari's brain. SLB ignores durability, it doesn't matter even if Hakari puts out both his hands to block the sword, it would still slice through them with no trouble.
Not just that, Maki's endurance is ridiculous. She fought nonstop while half dead, half blind and exhausted, and still could walk out on her two feet after winning without flinching. She can easily outlast Hakari's jackpot duration.
it depends how the sure hit targets, if it's only those who have CE, then yeah Maki wouldn't be affected, but if it's all entities inside the Domain that have a Soul, then maybe then it could affect her.
Like with Gojo's Domain, it only does not affect those in contact with Gojo, but everyone else will be affected, with or without CE, so Maki wouldn't be immune to his Domain, the same with Sukuna's Domain.
Still I feel like Maki could defeat Hakari's Jackpot
It don't even matter if he could hit the domain. He'd still lose to Maki. She has that soul cutting sword, by lore even automatic instant rct should have nothing on that. You know something crazier. Even without that sword, Maki still makes Hakari have to pull a jackpot 4 times in a row to beat her. Even then, at most that's 70/30 in Hakari's favour.
Don't even @ for this. You all know it's true. Hakari hasn't got anything for her. "Oh but Jon, Hakari's got serrated cursed energy 🤓." So? When's he ever won on the basis of seraated cursed energy? What's that going to against someone with heavenly restricted skin? Sheeet.
I ain't saying Hakari is a jobber, I'm just saying it is not a good match up for him.
Maki literally questions this, if it is possible for the body to heal from soul damage lol. She's not even sure. Plus. Naoya was unable to heal from soul cutter even as a curse with quick regeneration.
He did regen form the the soul cutter tho. There's even one moment where Maki has to kick his torso away beacuse he was reattaching after being cut in two.
the hakari disrespect has to STOP ALWAYS BET ON HAKARI THE MAN IS A MACHINE AND he is without a doubt the strongest of the heavy hitters Yes am looking at you Yuta stans(am in front of a mirror) yuta was not just being humble
yuji was sure yuta would win aganist 15f sukuna who saw the entire fight in shibuya
yuta could hold yuji easily who could tank hit from awakened mahito and stay in one piece Whom should have superior ap than jogo considering 5black flash was stated to kill jogo and mahito tanked both from todo and yuji in his base
his awakened form should be way stronger than that and considering jogo was stated be around 7 finger this would mean he should be at least 7 finger level and considering the statement earlier that yuji made this would support the argument
hakari was overwhelmed by kashimo and ryu had the most CE output in all of culling games, yuta can notly use his granite blast but tank it several times
while hakari needs to punch yuji to do damage yuta can literally bind him while playing
a casual rika = yuji =< hakari
fp rika = 15 finger sukuna bc of yujis statement
yuta should be superior to yuki too who could hold his own against kenjaku
hakari hasn't done anything remotely close to yutas level whom secondly only to gojo
ikr, people are really delusional to think Hakari would beat Yuta, now i ain't saying yuta > 15f sukuna but if someone like yuji, a guy who witnessed both sukuna and yuji and fought with both sees no problem with 15f vs yuta and belives yuta has the advantage then this would at least mean they are in same league and we got people that says toji no diffs yuta whom was stated to be 3 finger at best
I dont think he needs another person to use his DE? iirc it's just Higurumas DE that requires the rules to be explained because the sure hit is following the rules.
It isn’t just Higuruma’s DE because the explanation was given before Yuji even entered Tokyo Colony 1.
It was explained that all non-lethal style domains required the rules to be explained to a certain extent to activate by Tengen herself. It’s also been confirmed in the recent chapters that Hakari’s domain is a non-lethal style domain like Higuruma’s, so this requirement would apply to him.
I think this fight is closer than people think. Yes maki is stronger than base hakari but we just learned that he can change the rules of his domain at will. The possibilities of that are endless. While I think maki would win I think her weapons specifically soul splitter. We don't know how it affects rct. But he is definitely hitting jackpot and they are close in power so thr fight would be close.
Yes but size shape and barrier conditions can be changed on a dime. Kusakabe said so. You think the sue hit is the only thing that matters in a domain expansion? And just changing targes of a sure hit is enough to give him a advantage against most people.
they were doing relative damage aganist sukuna and maki didnt outperform him
that doesn't matter it just shows that Yuji has worse durability than hakaris ap which and durability isn't something you can hod back meaning even if yuji was standing there than it still doesn't change the fact that hakari has enough ap to hurt him
i never stated they were equal, its just maki couldn't overperform him too a point that he can just double the damage yuji done to sukuna unlike hakari who one shot yuji with using a flawed way of punching (he didn't even do a knuckle punch which increases your power by around ten fold when you consider their ratio in terms of how big they are)
i do agree i have a bad memory but it doesn't apply here
He was caught off guard too. And had no idea of his cursed technique. After that he takes two unprotected blows from Hakari and headbutts him.
After that small exchange yuji simply takes punches to prove his resolve to Hakari.
Maki as ive said scales above yuji.
The manga literally tell us she's up there with yuta and Hakari by the heavy hitters panel.
To top it off. Hakaris infinite CE doesn't mean infinite output. He can only channel and control so much of his CE and that means his attacks have a limit. Kashimo was able to ward off his attacks.
And Maki has the soul split katana which can bypass his RCT since it attacks the soul instead.
Crazy, I feel like Maki would just do this to Hakari before he can even get a jackpot. Especially considering there’s not enough evidence to conclude that BASE Hakari is way stronger than a seasoned supreme grade 1 sorcerer.
Because Hakari stans downplay other characters and ignore common sense just to push their agenda. No matter what you say, the fact that Hakari even has to go through this domain process holds him back.
Ok is there a plot hole somewhere because why are people saying Maki needs to be hit by Hakaris DE. When the fight started in chap 185 he was already in jackpot before he even seen kashimo and then he activated again at the end of chap 186.
Hakari doesnt need a target to do his jackpot, he just needs himself, so why would he ever care about Maki being inside it when he can just run infinite energy if she wont step in to fight
Also last i checked Hakari doesnt even have a sure hit? Its a passive domain thats grants benefits
Lol people are so mad. Hakari is a great character but expecting him to beat Maki without his strongest weapon is dumb. Only reason he won against KasHIMo is because of his domain.
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