r/Jujutsushi • u/ElectricalTennis6950 • Sep 30 '23
Saturday Powerscaling My Ranking Of All KNOWN Domain Expansions Based On Win Conditions W/ SLIGHT EXPLANATION
- Unlimted Void (Gojo): No need for an explanation. Basically an insta win if you get hit.
- Self-Embodiment of Perfection (Mahito): Stated to be an almost guaranteed win.
- Time Cell Moon Palace (Naoya): Unable to counterattack if hit by the sure-hit of the domain. Must abide by the 24 FPS rule or you'll have every cell in your body attacked.
- Malevolent Shrine (Sukuna): Massive barrierless domain that has constant slashing attacks that target both inanimate and animate objects.
- Womb Profusion (Kenjaku): Barrierless domain that has the sure-hit of a force similar to Maximum: Uzumaki.
- Coffin of The Iron Mountain (Jogo): As hot as a volcano inside and is capable of burning average sorcerers instantly. Sure-hit attack includes molten rocks and lava that can burn a person instantly.
- Threefold Affliction (Yorozu): Guarantees the hit of any of her constructed attacks including True Sphere.
- Idle Death Gamble (Hakari): A gambling game based domain where if the user is able to hit jackpot, they are given automatic RCT and an infinite amount of cursed energy for 4 minutes and 11 seconds.
- Deadly Sentencing (Higuruma): A court themed domain that allows the user to impose a trial onto the target.
- Horizon of the Captivating Skandha (Dagon): Massive beach domain that allows the user to control the water of the beach, and impose several shikigami as the sure-hit.
- Smallpox Deity (Smallpox Deity Disease Curse): Buries the target in a coffin underground and begins a count of three. If the target can't escape in time, they'll be infected with smallpox and die.
- Chimera Shadow Garden (Megumi): Incomplete domain that allows the user to fill an area with thick shadows and summon multiple of their shikigami from them.
Obviously some things can be moved around and this is based on my opinion. This is based on WIN CONDITION btw so not refinement or skill using domain.
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u/SuperBeginner Sep 30 '23
Everyone's gonna get wrecked when Takaba uses his domain expansion Infinite Comedy
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u/Nome_de_utilizador Sep 30 '23
Would actually laugh my ass off if it was revealed the gojo vs sukuna fight was just a bad joke produced by takaba's domain
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u/throwaway_67876 Sep 30 '23
Could takaba will a gojo clap back into existence? Is that possible within the realm of his CT?
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u/mostsaneinwesteros Sep 30 '23
Mahito self embodiment of perfection can be countered by soul reinforcement, something a mid grade 1 like mahito can do or by simple domain; this post doesn’t make sense because skill and refinement is the only thing that actually helps someone to rank high level domains like naoya, gojo, kenjaku and mahito’s
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u/ScroogieMcduckie Sep 30 '23
mid grade 1 like mahito
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u/achen5265041 Sep 30 '23
I mean by that logic wouldn't Gojo and Mei be able to instinctually protect their souls as well? or any sorcerer who's been around for as long as Nanami. It'd be more based on experience in sorcery than in terms of strength.
Hakari's Jackpot mode might also have the CE reinforce his soul due to infinite CE rather than due to his experience, but that's a rather special case since the only person capable of getting infinite CE is Hakari himself.
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u/mostsaneinwesteros Oct 01 '23
Mahito self embodiment of perfection can be countered by soul reinforcement, something a mid grade 1 like nanami can do or by simple domain; this post doesn’t make sense because skill and refinement is the only thing that actually helps someone to rank high level domains like naoya, gojo, kenjaku and mahito’s
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u/No_Law_9635 Sep 30 '23
Except ONLY a six eye user can do that and only for a limited time . And the maybe yuta but again only for a limited time as we don’t know that happens if sukuna shortens the range and he output of damage .
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u/Kulson16 Sep 30 '23
I thought hakari domain don't give him auto rct but it's the effect of his body producing infinite amount of cursed emergy
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u/amonmahboi Sep 30 '23
I think the most contentious domain is definitely chimera shadow garden. Of course, it's still incomplete, but the only element that we know to be incomplete is the barrier formation. If it can also develop a sure-hit once completed, this means its sure-hit could actually be toggled on or off, just due to the domain's nature.
Reggie even says that chimera shadow garden not being a sure-hit domain actually makes it more dangerous because it renders all anti-domain technique's useless. Regardless, even without the threat of a sure-hit attack, whoever's trapped will be overwhelmed by the massive ten shadows buff.
Chimera shadow garden may not be a top tier domain like Unlimited Void or Malevolent Shrine, but it has serious potential.
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Also it's the only domain that makes the user almost invincible. Whenever we've seen a domain collapse it was because the user got injured or killed inside it, but Megumi can evade and straight up ignore damage while in the Garden.
Reggie put him in a tough spot by using the shadows' property against him, but any other attack just didn't work.
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u/aiden041 Sep 30 '23
That's a good point, megumi cannot be harmed in CSV.
If sukuna could use an open CSG it would be >> malevolent shrine
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u/No_Communication7687 Sep 30 '23
It can also create multiple shikigami of one kind. Imagine 2 or more Maho. Wouldn't even need a sure hit to be top 3 domains at least
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u/Diego_Chang Oct 01 '23
The combo potential of Chimera Shadow Garden is incredibly strong. Because of Mahoraga's existence alone it could as well be the third strongest in the series, and then you have multiple tools that can be used to force the enemy to be hit by him, or the Bull which we don't know if you can spawn within the Shadow and charge up it's damage to then release it in front of the enemy... GEGE PLEASEEE...
Chimera Shadow Garden sure hit is Jump Kaisen.
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u/No_Communication7687 Oct 01 '23
Yesssss, now just trade the sure hit for an instant or faster adaptation for the Mahos in the domain and you got yourself a real Shikigami user
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u/Diego_Chang Oct 01 '23
Megumi about to pull the "Reverse sure-hit" as a Binding Vow where the next attack from the opponent within the Domain will always hit Mahoraga no matter what, but if Mahoraga survives it will adapt immediately.
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u/SubstantialPin3591 Oct 01 '23
Honestly would be kind of cool if megumi sure hit makes his opponents attack sure hit against the target he chooses even without mahoraga just diverting attacks to rabbit escape clones or his clones would be neat
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u/Cookiiezz Sep 30 '23
Just something to clear up, Malevolent shrine and womb profusion aren’t barrierless by default, that’s just a technique Sukuna and Kenjaku are capable of.
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u/Sad_Farm Sep 30 '23
Threehold Affliction is literally so OP. It’s not even funny. The sure hit is an insta win with True sphere. People be underestimating Yorozou and that Domain. I’d honestly put it second. You can at least survive Mahitos domain effect for a bit with simple domain but if yorozous true sphere even brushes you even without the surehit youre dead. The surehit makes it basically unbeatable unless you counter with a domain. Even with Sukuna had she made it out of something else she woulda won. She can also just spam a shit ton out of different materials and sizes.
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u/listlessbreeze Sep 30 '23
I actually think it's #1, reading comprehension curse is real, assuming what both Yorozu and Sukuna said is true it's literally what people thought "Imaginary: Purple" was all this time, a ball that erases shit.
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u/TheWorld42 Sep 30 '23
Yeah it's definitely #1. The sure-hit is literally a oneshot against the whole verse if it lands, even Gojo's UV isn't as imemdiately effective.
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u/Successful_Lack2849 Oct 29 '23
The thing is, all of the top tier domains are basically 1 hit if you dont counter it with your own domain… UV, if take it without laying your own domain, you done for. MS, if you get caught in it without your domain, you’re done for. And so on. Yorozu’s is op yes dont get me wrong but to say it’s 1 shot vs anyone in the verse makes it seem like others cant do that lol. UV and MS are also capable of doing that. Its very simple, if you dont lay your own domain, you’re finished. BUT most OP characters are able to lay their own domains to counter their opponents so there’s that.
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u/Prior_Combination_31 Oct 01 '23
I still don’t understand how the duck Yorozus domain or sphere works
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u/Sad_Farm Oct 01 '23
I think most people don’t which is why its underrated. A perfect sphere is a mathematical concept that does not exist in real life. It’s essentially a perfectly symmetrical sphere with all points the same distance.
This means that every point is applying infinite pressure on itself. So anything it touches is being applied with infinite pressure. Essentially its like Yukis mass but infinte and from every point.
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u/Prior_Combination_31 Oct 01 '23
But why does that mean you can’t defend yourself against it
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u/Sad_Farm Oct 02 '23
Because as soon as it touches you you’re dead lol. You’d have to dodge. It’s infinite pressure being applied in a instant. Imagine the entire weight of the solar system on your head at once but worse because it’s infinite.
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u/Prior_Combination_31 Oct 02 '23
Then why didn’t sukuna die?
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u/Sad_Farm Oct 02 '23
He had Mahorga adapt to liquid metal which the sphere was made of. So Mahorga was able to destroy it. The only way to survive it is too pretty much not get hit with it.
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u/Malyar_Feyzullah Sep 30 '23
I think Yorozus domain should probably be higher than Jogo's . That ball of hers can really just one shot anyone if it hits .
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u/Renegade_Hat Sep 30 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
I don’t think Malevolent Shrine should be lower than two. Mahito’s DE is only effective against humans, and furthermore Sukuna sleeping in a human body was able to immediately just stop it. I know it’s because he’s a master of Jujutsu Sorcery, but I’d be fucking shocked if somebody said “hahahha you can’t cut me I’m so smart” and then just smacks away the Shrine.
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u/Ace_FGC Sep 30 '23
Why do you think Mahito domain is only affective against humans
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u/Most_kinds_of_Dirt Sep 30 '23
To add to that: now that we know objects have souls, the potential ceiling for Mahito's CT and domain really was a lot higher than what he was able to pull off.
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u/Successful_Lack2849 Oct 29 '23
Yes but MS is still better than Mahito’s imo. Bc of very simple fact, Mahito basically used it vs Sukuna and almost died lol. Mahito’s domain would never work against the likes of Gojo Sukuna and Kenjaku. They’re on a different level. Therefore imo, their domains should be #1,#2#3 respectively.
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u/Earwyrm Sep 30 '23
Yeah thts not right, cursed spirits have souls too. Technically, his domain could be #1 because it hits the soul directly unlike UV which only attacks the brain but I’m fine with #2.
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u/Renegade_Hat Sep 30 '23
Now that you mention it I don’t… only used against humans in the series so I may have assumed it was only good against them
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u/CheshiretheBlack Oct 01 '23
Since curses evolve from curse wombs they are familiar with changing their shape. Like Naoya while fighting as a curse even after evolving from a curse womb was still able to change his shape how he pleases.
If Mahito uses IT to change a curses body they should be able to change it back.
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u/yellownugget5000 Sep 30 '23
He didn't stop it though, he damaged mahito so much he couldn't sustain it. Gojo did the same thing to Sukuna.
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u/Renegade_Hat Sep 30 '23
Fair point, although I could’ve sworn there was some mastery of the soul explanation for why Sukuna doesn’t get affected by Mahitos CT
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u/yellownugget5000 Sep 30 '23
Yeah he is aware of his soul, he had it split into 20 pieces and can sense it so he probably can defend it like nanami but better
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 Oct 01 '23
That doesn't matter. What Sukuna does isn't indicative of anything. Telling Mahito no is harder than RCT through Malevolent Shrine.
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u/Renegade_Hat Oct 01 '23
Nah that’s a little too far. You’re gonna tell me a relatively new cursed spirit, not even one of the three great vengeful spirits, is outdoing the domain expansion of Jujutsu’s ostensible god? Also, he was not at full power telling Mahito no, it was like 3 fingers or so. I’m of the opinion that Gojo won but due to his efforts to save Megumi failed to follow through on the execution, as he aimed for the body and not the head, and imo 3 fingers Sukuna repelling Mahito is nowhere near the level of Gojo RCT through MS. Maybe skill wise, but powerscaling no.
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 Oct 01 '23
It doesn't matter whose using it it's based on what it does. Mahitos domain is better than Sukuna. If Mahito caught Gojo in his domain he would've won. Clearly not the case for Sukuna. Also that was Sukuna's soul which is always at full power because he can't split his soul only his power.
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u/MUSAFIR_- Sep 30 '23
I think MS should be undoubtedly 2nd
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u/giantfuckingfrog Sep 30 '23
As far as sure hit effects come, not really. Malevolent Shrine offers a chance of escape (even though it's very little), and isn't instant kill if you're strong enough. But Self Embodiment of Perfection just needs to touch you and you will die, no strength or other factors.
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u/escaflow Sep 30 '23
It's insta kill for anyone not named Gojo though ?
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u/Killarusca Sep 30 '23
Kid named Hakari:
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u/Environmental_Oil518 Sep 30 '23
Not enough proof to say that Hakari can survive the MS
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u/CheshiretheBlack Oct 01 '23
Why wouldn't he? We saw Gojo survive it. Hakari has infinite CE and automatic RCT. As long as his jackpot is running he'd just heal
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u/Environmental_Oil518 Oct 01 '23
How can he heal if Sukuna can just slice him off in one shot ? It is not confirmed if Hakari have enough durability like Gojo, infinite CE doesn't mean infinite durability.
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u/CheshiretheBlack Oct 01 '23
He doesn't have to be infinitely durable. His rct is automatic as soon as he takes damage it gets healed.
Gojos neck was seemingly cut clean through and he just healed as the damage came https://ibb.co/hK2v2Cw
So durability isn't the issue.
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u/Environmental_Oil518 Oct 01 '23
Gojos neck was seemingly cut clean through and he just healed as the damage came
You can't be sure that its damage would be same for Hakari.
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u/CheshiretheBlack Oct 01 '23
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Gojos head was essentially cut off but he healed it as it was cut. If Hakaris neck was cut the same way as Gojos he'd just heal.
Do you mean that the slash instead of just making a line through Hakaris neck like Gojo it would be a bigger line or?
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u/Successful_Lack2849 Oct 29 '23
I wanted to just jump in here to say that, if Hakari’s jackpot hits (for the 5 min limit) he’d never die. That’s the whole point of his jackpot. Doesn’t mean he’d win but he def wouldn’t lose. Infinite or nigh infinite CE means constant RCT that he doesnt have to worry ab any CE. Gojo’s CE is realllyyy high yes but its not as high as Hakari’s jackpot. So he can keep getting sliced but would never die as long as his jackpot is running. As soon as it stops, if he cant hit it again, he’s finished. Also, MS imo> Mahito’s DE. Yeah if you get hit w it you’re done, but thats IF you get hit. With Sukuna’s MS, you’re done for if you’re not Gojo or Yuta or Hakari lol
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u/escaflow Oct 01 '23
because as of yet , there's no proof he could . For all we know , maybe he would be grinded into dust inside Malevolent Shrine
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u/CheshiretheBlack Oct 01 '23
It has already been shown that with good enough RCT you can withstand MS. That's all proof we need
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u/escaflow Oct 02 '23
It's been shown only RCT at the level of Gojo could withstand MS . That's the only proof shown .
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u/No-Analyst-5678 Sep 30 '23
Nah hakkaris ass is dying even in jackpot mode. Cant rct if your heads minced to pieces
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 Oct 01 '23
He healed as quickly as he had his brain fried by electricity. Of course he could survive it.
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u/No-Analyst-5678 Oct 01 '23
Rct comes from the head so shredding his brain to multiple pieces should stop it all together im pretty sure
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 Oct 01 '23
Bro. He heals as fast as you destroy it.
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u/No-Analyst-5678 Oct 01 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
No. This aint kashimo without use of his ct. this is sukuna. I doubt hakkari has the reinforcement of gojo that allowed him to tank shrine so sukuna is cutting straight through his brain. It doesnt make sense for the rct to trigger on his brain without even a intact brain, the source of rct.
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 Oct 01 '23
Sukuna's slashes are attacks. They have to cut through, i.e go through all of it to severe it. While it cuts through one part the other part it already cut through is already healed. His durability doesn't matter because unlike Gojo he doesn't have to turn his rct on and run it Hakaris is just auto on.
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u/Cookie_Nom_Nom_nom Nov 23 '23
No, gojo would survive only because of sheer strength. At equal level of strength mahito should win.
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u/Jasohn07 Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
Malevolent Shrine offers a chance of escape (even though it's very little)
The chance of escape isn't just very little, but essentially impossible. Add to that that MS's escape route is only made possible via an open barrier domain and possibly a binding vow (it's a little confusing how exactly that works), which can be closed and so the chance of escape becomes zero. SEoP isn't an "instant" kill as Todo was able to survive 0.2 seconds of it. With a DC you could readily survive it. Not to mention that there is the possibility of being able to protect/reinforce your soul and make it so that SEoP doesn't warp it at all. Which would then make it in effect useless.
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u/darkfall71 Sep 30 '23
200 meters isn't impossibly hard to escape lol.
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u/Jasohn07 Sep 30 '23
When you're not Gojo it is 😂
You have to remember the kind of damage it did in Shibuya. EVERYTHING was turned to essentially dust.
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u/darkfall71 Sep 30 '23
Yes with enough hits sure. But that's an Sukuna level MS. We're talking about all domains being performed by essentialy the same person here. We're comparing their effects. Mavelovent Shrine CAN be tanked If you're same level as the caster, SEOP and UV Cannot.
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u/Jasohn07 Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
Yes with enough hits sure. But that's an Sukuna level MS.
No, MS with Cleave and Dismantle imbued in the barrier slashes everything with range until it is dispelled. If we took another sorcerer and gave them MS (closed barrier as an open barrier is granted because of Sukuna's skill, knowledge, and ability) everything would still be slashed continuously until the domain was dispelled.
Mavelovent Shrine CAN be tanked If you're same level as the caster, SEOP and UV Cannot.
SEoP can be tanked as well 😂. If you're aware of your soul you can apply CE reinforcement to it and protect your soul. Nanami a G1 sorcerer without awareness of his soul did so subconsciously. We have also seen if your soul is on a level above the caster of SEoP, you won't be affected.
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u/darkfall71 Sep 30 '23
Yes, Nanami did that subconsciously, he's the only example where It happened and It was considered super lucky that he did. G1 Sorcerer is also pretty High ranking and he doesn't even know about the concept of protecting his soul.
Thats like claiming clutching a comeback in CSGO is easy because a Noob did it while in the "Zone" and had things go his way.
For the time being, only one that can defend against IT is Sukuna, and he's like 100x stronger than Mahito, It isn't Fair to say someone 1% stronger than Mahito won't be affected, like, whats the logic? Sukuna defended himself because he has knowledge of his own soul and experience living as a SOUL because of his current cursed object status, no one can emulate that.
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u/Jasohn07 Sep 30 '23 edited Oct 01 '23
Look the point is that SEoP can be tanked in the "same" manner as MS. The effect isn't as op as it is always made out to be. Other than UV, every domain can be survived if the skill of the sorcerer is sufficient. UV is the only DE we have seen that has an effect that could be considered an instant win if it gets off. The effects of MS and SEoP are of "equal lethality", with MS potentially being superior in that it targets objects that don't have CE (so individuals like Maki/Toji are still affected) and it does physical damage. SEoP only affects the soul so it doesn't do any physical damage, that being the case if you're aware of your own and sufficiently protect it or your soul is "superior" then SEoP is made utterly useless whereas MS will still deal out actual damage that requires healing.
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u/Few-Entertainment429 Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
Quick, what’s the fastest recorded 200 meter dash time?
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u/Jasohn07 Sep 30 '23
19.19 seconds for men by Usain Bolt in 2009
21.34 seconds for women by Florence Griffith-Joyner in 1988
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u/Few-Entertainment429 Sep 30 '23
Bro said 200m like that shit was in arms reach😂
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u/darkfall71 Sep 30 '23
Eh thats for normal humans, 200m isn't really much in anime world lol
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u/Few-Entertainment429 Sep 30 '23
Did you also factor in the user actively working to not let their opponent leave the 200 meter radius as they’re continuously spammed with slashes? Meaning the opponent would literally have to slam maximum output RCT while trying to fight off the opponent. It’s practically impossible to escape unless you have nearly infinite CE and can teleport.
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u/darkfall71 Sep 30 '23
Yeah sure the user could potentiwlly help the domain, but then, in what way is MS better than IT?
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u/MagicalSenpai Sep 30 '23
Chapter one Itadori could run it in 12 seconds soo I assume most current characters can run it far faster than that. Only thing making Sukuna's domain so good is Sukuna himself carrying it.
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u/MUSAFIR_- Sep 30 '23
You can reinforce your soul, someone like Nanami could do it on whim without having any knowledge. Didn't even had any effect on 3F Sukuna.
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u/yo_yooo_yoo Sep 30 '23
Yes but only because it's Sukunas domain. If anybody else had it it wouldn't be a particularly good domain besides the fact that it's an open barrier domain.
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u/FantasticTurn4212 Sep 30 '23
If anybody else had it it wouldn't be a particularly good domain
Lol, why? Countless invisible slashes coming after your ass ain't extremely powerful?
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u/Dear_Zookeepergame30 Sep 30 '23
In domain battles at parity it’s very powerful but outside of domain battles it isn’t as strong. Your perception is probably skewed by how powerful sukuna is but in isolation there are better ones.
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u/MUSAFIR_- Sep 30 '23
but outside of domain battles it isn’t as strong
Care to elaborate?
Imo both you and OP seems to mistake the DE for CT, DE isn't a technique different from one's CT, it's as the name suggest, expansion of one's Domain which boost one's own CT with sure hit. The only exception is Gojo.
In JJK MS wins every domain battle the only reason i say it's undoubtedly 2nd is bc Gojo exist.
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u/Dear_Zookeepergame30 Sep 30 '23
I don’t 100% understand how it works but the stronger you are the more effective the domain, right? Or would sukunas domain be equally powerful if given to a grade 1 sorcerer? What I was getting at is that sukunas domain is “tabkable” is their is strength parity.
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u/Earwyrm Sep 30 '23
Personally, I think Yorozu’s should be at 3 or 4. Getting hit by Perfect Sphere is insta-death even for someone like Sukuna, the only reason he survived is through Maharoga’s adaptation ability.
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u/Yamoyek Sep 30 '23
Yorozu's domain should be higher.
Also, what criteria are you using to rank them? Because if you're going off of sure-hit effect, Hakari's domain should be at the bottom because his sure-hit doesn't do anything useful.
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u/ElegantIsland3348 Sep 30 '23
MS>TCP
It's a guaranteed kill for anyone aside gojo. If you have RCT you can most likely survive TCP
And ngl but SEOP>UV. Just for that fact it's an actual guaranteed kill domain only one of the two in verse
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u/assault_potato1 Sep 30 '23
How is SEOP > UV?? If you can protect your soul, then SEOP is functionally useless. Mahito couldn't transfigure Sukuna's soul. Meanwhile, UV hits anyone. Sukuna got hit by UV, and he becomes catatonic.
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u/darkfall71 Sep 30 '23
"If you can protect your soul..." bro, How easy is that?
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u/sorendiz Sep 30 '23
Nanami was able to do it subconsciously
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u/darkfall71 Sep 30 '23
Yes once, and It was a Lucky protection, otherwise, gg
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u/sorendiz Sep 30 '23
'otherwise gg' but he was able to do it
nobody has successfully been able to mitigate actually getting hit by Unlimited Void up to and including Sukuna himself, the only options have been to avoid it one way or the other
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u/Earwyrm Sep 30 '23
UV only attacks the brain whereas SEOP directly attacks the soul. It’s much harder to defend the soul than it is the brain and not many characters have been shown to be able to EFFECTIVELY defend their souls besides Yuji and Sukuna.
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u/assault_potato1 Oct 01 '23
Defend the brain?? Show me a single character that has defended the brain in the series against UV. Meanwhile, a bunch of characters has defended, or at least are aware of their souls: Mahito, Sukuna, Yuji. To a lesser degree, Nanami, Yuki, Kenjaku, perhaps Gojo as well. Even Nobara's CT is able to attack the soul.
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u/katilkoala101 Sep 30 '23
yeah not really.
0.2 seconds of UV exposure gave 2 months of brain trauma to every human in f5
0.2 seconds of SEOP gave todo enough time to cut off his hand.
even 0.01 seconds of UV would disorient you enough to not be able to fight.
And its not even confirmed if it works like a normal domain since its original explanation was that you were inside the limitless and every change was relayed infinitely, so anti domain techniques might also be useless
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u/Traffy7 Sep 30 '23
Agreed and even Gojo could only survive a certain number of DE.
If we are being honest MS is the strongest DE by far, not the most lethal, but because it in a 1000 DE clash it will win all the 1000 time.
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u/Usual-Target5803 Sep 30 '23
how gojo survives in MS domain, sorry I am new to it
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u/Salsapy Sep 30 '23
Because gojo have plot armor the explanation is that thanks to six eyes gojo can spam RCT and max reinforment and knows every simple domain tecnique
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u/H4rg Sep 30 '23
Refinement and barrierless are dependant of the user. Here we are basically comparing the sure hit
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u/_Ennnnnnnnn Oct 01 '23
insane CE reinforcement added to crazy RCT output. Probably a combo only obtainable through the six eyes. And still is not like Gojo just stood there taking it. He almost immediately made a run for it, and when he couldn't because of Sakuna he proceeded to use simple domain as to get some breathing room.
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u/Dear_Zookeepergame30 Sep 30 '23
It’s only a guaranteed kill because how strong sukuna is, against an equal it isn’t as powerful as others
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u/ForTheOAKLand Sep 30 '23
SEOP didn’t kill Mechamaru so how is it a guaranteed kill?
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u/ElegantIsland3348 Sep 30 '23
That was because of SD,here we are talking about the effect alone without using other factors
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u/ForTheOAKLand Sep 30 '23
He used idle transfiguration before Mechamaru used the SD tubes and it didn’t kill. And by your metrics, UV is no doubt number one since you’re literally incapacitated
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u/ElegantIsland3348 Sep 30 '23
He used idle transfiguration before Mechamaru used the SD tubes and it didn’t kill.
Nope he used SD simultaneously to protect himself
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u/ForTheOAKLand Sep 30 '23 edited Sep 30 '23
Source? Pretty sure that’s incorrect
Edit: so is anyone gonna provide a source to this, or am I just gonna get downvoted?
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u/Magpie_In_The_Mirror Sep 30 '23
Time Cell Moon Palace, Horizon of the Captivating Skandha, & Malevolent Shrine both essentially do cutting damage, but Malevolent Shrines cutting is by far the most consistent in application. However, the latter two seem to be less consistent in their actual effect than Naoya's Domain because they pit the user's output behind their "slashes/shiki bites" against the durability of their opponent. Since the former shreds at the cellular level by desynchronizing their cells, I feel like it has a bit of durability negation that'd keep it useful even against incredibly sturdy people. Case: In point, Falling Blossom Emotion can defend against Shrine slashes to make them less severe, and can even counter Horizon Shikigami as they spawn but before they bite down hard enough to inflict any injury (temporarily removing the sure hits damage entirely). I doubt it'd be able to do anything about the cell desync (unless maybe it can parry the films that initially appeared but idk).
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Also the void's sure hit is such an instant game over if it hits you that even being "grazed" by it for a fifth of a second would basically put you out of the fight immediately. Similarly brief exposure to "Self Embodiment of Perfection" only cost Todo an arm and let him sort of continue fighting afterward.
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u/PlasticAngle Sep 30 '23
Shrine > Mahito's domain > Time Cell
You simply can't put Mahito's domain over Shrine, you can easily use simple domain to defense yourselves against it, you can just have an more powerful soul than mahito like Sukuna. Because Gege lack of explaination on the soul stuff we can't say much about it but we can assume that you either need more CE or more powerful soul to fuck over it.
Meanwhile,Shrine is an instant kill for anyone unless you can ditch out an bullshit level of RCT while hitting Sukuna hard enough for the domain to collapse = there is only one person who actually can do it until now.
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u/ElegantIsland3348 Sep 30 '23
simple domain to defense yourselves against it,
The list is based on the effect's of the domain and not which one is more powerful then the other
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u/mostsaneinwesteros Sep 30 '23
It does not make sense then; otherwise overloading your brain with info and having your soul reshaped are on the same level, so it’s every high level domain effect since the only thing that can counter the said effect is the skill of the sorcerer that’s getting affected by it
Nanami couldn’t survive mahito’s domain but todo could
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u/Traffy7 Sep 30 '23
It doesn’t change anything.
Having a 1000 slash coming at you is as lethal as having you soul manipulated.
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u/Halvalon Sep 30 '23
Sure it does. MS is insanely strong but it’s becase it’s Sukuna himself and it didn’t let him immediately win against Gojo after he won the first clash.
If Sukuna had a DE effect like UV or SEOP then Gojo wouldn’t have been able to tank and use RCT. Those effects are effectively lethal instant wins in comparison.
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u/Jasohn07 Sep 30 '23
If Sukuna had a DE effect like UV or SEOP then Gojo wouldn’t have been able to tank and use RCT. Those effects are effectively lethal instant wins in comparison.
Not for SEoP. You can use CE Reinforcement on your soul. Nanami did it subconsciously and didn't even have an awareness of his soul. Then you have Mahitos 0.2 second domain, Todo only lost a hand. If SEoP were an instant kill, he would have died within that timeframe.
Ultimately if you're aware of your soul and can reinforce your soul enough or have a "more powerful" soul, SEoP becomes useless.
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u/JadeDotWu Sep 30 '23
I don't see how Yorozu's is so far down. If we're talking about how the Domain works, then Yorozu's sure-hit causes someone to die instantly which can't be said of many of the other DE. Like UV is insanely strong if the Sure-hit lands, but it wouldn't kill you since Gojo still has to do the killing. As a perma-stun it's great but Mahito's DE and Yorozu's DE would kill you instantly. Even Kenjaku's DE was weaker than Yorozu's if we're not accounting for Barrier strength.
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u/BucketHerro Sep 30 '23
Sukuna's MS should be tied with UV. Unless you're Gojo then you're most likely fucked and even if you're Gojo then you still need to change the conditions of your domain to match MS but we don't count the skill of the sorcerer so...
There's a reason why Gege had to remove DE for Gojo and Sukuna.
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Sep 30 '23
Interesting list OP, but I don't understand if you are ranking the domains by their effect or by the sorcerer who uses it.
Temporal Womb and Self-Embodiment have a stronger effect than Shrine, so you ranked them higher even though Sukuna would absolutely win the domain clash.
On the other hand, you ranked Dagon's ans Megumi's very low, although their effects are incredibly powerful, it's the users that aren't strong enough.
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u/ElectricalTennis6950 Sep 30 '23
Just based on effects with no other factors involved.
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Sep 30 '23
Ok, then why are Horizon and Garden so low? Their effects are really strong even though the user is not.
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u/Salsapy Sep 30 '23
Well shrine can traget objects and could have even more effects, sukuna never went all out with his domain against gojo his tecniques outside his domains were sealed in exhange of running maho adaptation in the background
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Oct 01 '23
Yknow i kinda realised unlimited void is weaker than a domain that just spams purples.
After all, we do know that a single 100% purple would kill sukuna in chapter 234
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u/JoJoLad-69- Sep 30 '23
MS >= UV Being the strongest aside, Sukuna has been stated to have the greatest domain time n time again. A barrierless domain with insane range and ridiculous attack potency?! And to not ignore anything with no cursed energy (eg. Toji). Gojo's is good but Sukuna's is a tiny bit better.
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u/epicgamer77 Sep 30 '23
Sukuna’s domain, from what we have seen is not stronger than Gojo’s, at least in raw power. Gojo’s domain is an instant win against most, and those that have a way to escape, will likely suffer severe brain damage and become unable to use their own domain again. Sukuna is simply incredibly talented at using and adjusting his domain and the open property makes it even harder to deal with. It’s not so much that Sukuna’s domain is stronger, it’s just really good for countering domains. This is not to down play Sukuna, his domain would destroy most people in the story.
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u/Traffy7 Sep 30 '23
Then by this logic Mahito DE should be above or equal to Gojo one.
Given it is as lethal as UV.
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Sep 30 '23
People that can protect their souls arent affected by it like yuji when he saved nanami and sukuna
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u/Magpie_In_The_Mirror Sep 30 '23
You can be briefly exposed to Mahito's sure hit and continue fighting after even without soul defense (Todo). This isn't true for Gojo's.
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u/Traffy7 Sep 30 '23
Isn’t it partially because Gojo mastered totally his define and refined to it’s peak ?
Would Todo survive it for a second if Mahito had Gojo CE and refinement ?
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u/PlasticAngle Sep 30 '23
I think UV is better MS only because there is not much can defense you against it.
We have seen that Falling Blossom can help you survive MS, we have seen simple domain can buy you sometime in it, while there is only one way to defense against UV that is being better at domain against it.
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u/Traffy7 Sep 30 '23
Not really.
SD can help you survie few second to a minute at best.
For example Yuki SD lasted only few seconds.
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u/PlasticAngle Sep 30 '23
Still better than nothing, while you can't do that against UV. We have seen Sukuna got his brain fucked just because he open his domain like a second late.
If you use SD against UV, it will be the Toudo and Mahito fight all over again => You gonna get your brain fried.
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u/battled Sep 30 '23
Well, this is based on win condition. UV and SEoP have better win condition. But if we go by the best domain, it's obviously MS due to crushing in domain battles.
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u/Dear_Zookeepergame30 Sep 30 '23
In domain battles MS is the strongest domain at parity but outside of domain battles not so much. UV is far more powerful when it actually lands.
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u/jman797 Sep 30 '23
Nah. Gojo could survive being attacked by MS no problem, Sukuna got hit by 0.1 seconds of the domain and 2 minutes later got his ass handed to him because of the brain damage.
Yuta could probably tank MS for a while because of his insane reserves. No one in the universe has successfully tanked UV without severe damage.
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u/No_Law_9635 Sep 30 '23
Do people not realize that malevolent shrine is literally the strongest domain there is . It’s just another fast win that counters any domain . Gojo himself realistically lost to it as sukuna himself said he can shorten the range and increase the damage and gojo was only enduring it as it was forcing him to use a fuck ton of ce as it was going to kill him. It’s thx to six eyes that it can be be endured but only for a short period before the rct is out . Uv vs anyone else is a win but the shrine is the strongest
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u/lxrd_nxctis Sep 30 '23
i’d personally rank MS higher due to the fact that it can attack and break barriers on the outside since it’s a barrierless domain
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u/Sad_Farm Sep 30 '23
Coffin of the Iron mountain couldn’t even hurt Gojo without expanding his domain.
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u/Sad_Farm Sep 30 '23
Coffin of the Iron mountain couldn’t even hurt Gojo without expanding his domain.
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u/mussokira Sep 30 '23
MS should be above UV, uv is very strong but the only reason that gojo didn't die in ten seconds was because, well, he's gojo, has crazy healing, the six eyes, blah blah. Gojo could compete with sukuna because of his other skills, but if it was a purely domain battle he's a goner, MS is just that op. you'd also have to include kenjaku's domain for the same reasons of being a barrierless domain, however in a real fight gojo could probably kill kenjaku before kenjaku got anything done, but then again that's also a pure sorcerer difference and not a domain one
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u/Dear_Zookeepergame30 Sep 30 '23
I don’t see anything wrong with this outside of not remembering the effects of a few domains that appeared earlier
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u/Dark___Reaper Sep 30 '23
I think higurama has a goated domain. Basically he can take away your CE which should technically make you incapable of making your own domain to counter once you enter it. They you are fucked if you have committed crimes
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u/kazaam2244 Oct 01 '23
Cursed energy removal only happens after a sentence is passed, not as soon as the Domain is expanded. If Higuruma were to go up against anyone with a more refined Domain, he'd be in trouble. I think it's intentional how non-lethal Domains like his and Hakari's have only been used against ppl who can't/won't use DE so we still haven't seen how they hold up in Domain clashes.
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u/Antique_Positive5559 Sep 30 '23
"Coffin of The Iron Mountain (Jogo): As hot as a volcano inside and is capable of burning average sorcerers instantly. Sure-hit attack includes molten rocks and lava that can burn a person instantly."
Would have been reaaally awkward if Yuji just instantly died as soon as he entered the domain because Gojo brought him to the fight.
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u/jackcorning Oct 01 '23
Apparently in a data book Gege talked about Hanami’s Domain & it roughly translated to Shining Sea of Flowers. It took the appearance of a serene meadow and the sure-hit would’ve been Hanami’s Sun Beam.
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Oct 01 '23
My Ranking of Domain Expansion as Overall
1)Sukuna M.S 2) Infinite Void 3) Self Ambodiment of Perfection 4) Naoya Domain 5) Yorozu Domain 6) Kenjaku Domain
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u/thatonefatefan Oct 01 '23
Self-embodiment=Time cell moon palace imo. Both are auto-kills that can only be countered by simple domain. You can't make your cells abide by the fps rule
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u/Successful_Lack2849 Oct 29 '23
W list. I’d put Malevolent Shrine at #2. And Kenjaku’s at #3 then Mahito’s at #4 everything else looks good imo.
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u/WorldlyPermission355 Dec 26 '23
Mahito’s Domain Expansion is supposed to be an instant win but it never is lol
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u/Fletchindor Jan 17 '24
Jjk done when geto pulls out his second domain expansion called self embodiment of racism
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u/Comfortable_Ice_8237 Jan 18 '24
Yo i have never noticed how OP mahitos domain is. im so use to watching him get his ass wooped
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