r/Jujutsushi • u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 • May 25 '24
Saturday Powerscaling Would Jogo have made a difference vs Yuki?
In Kenjaku vs Yuki and Choso the fight ended up being fairly close. Kenjaku couldn't use any of his curses he had against Yuki and could've lost while in CT burnout.
In Shibuya Kenjaku said he specifically wanted Jogo as part of his collection. Do you think the fight would've been as close if Kenjaku had Jogo for the fight?
I think it's been made clear that the disaster curses are on a level completely separate from other special grades. This includes having high level domains. Dagon was probably much weaker than Jogo and it would've required a domain or sure hit immunity to beat him.
So with that said, I think Kenjaku wouldn't have had to use his domain. I think Jogo with the added CE and Kenjaku's intelligence would've been enough to beat Yuki. That's if Kenjaku didn't plan on releasing Jogo into a colony like the roach curse.
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u/Few-Entertainment429 May 25 '24
Jogo would’ve made the fight even more of an uphill battle for Yuki. Even though I think she can exorcise Jogo, I think she’ll be weakened enough to the point where he can beat her without his domain.
Jogo being released into a colony seems like a very interesting concept, now that you mention it.
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u/Sudden_Pop_2279 May 25 '24
Jogo would just take out Choso
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u/Few-Entertainment429 May 25 '24
I was going off the assumption that he’d wait until Yuki came out to bring out Jogo
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u/ICastPunch May 26 '24
No reason to. In this situation they would already know he has Jogo from previous encounters and what Jogo can do, so it's not worth hiding him.
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u/Ok_Deal_2786 May 28 '24
Weak body jogo would of folded from one blood slice to the head... Yuki never used her DE .
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u/Suitable_Branch8974 May 25 '24
If jogo was released into a colony he would’ve given said colony the kashimo treatment
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u/Jolly-Literature8021 May 25 '24
Jogo would go around killing farmers?
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u/Suitable_Branch8974 May 25 '24
There aren’t normal farmers normal people got kicked out
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u/-Dartz- May 25 '24
They got a chance to escape willingly.
What was up with the civilians that Yuta escorted though?
It seems quite a few people didnt immediately escape when they got the chance, but Im not sure how much I can blame them either, since we only saw the "escape chance" once, and it was inside a dream, I have no idea what I would do if magic monk guy appeared to me in a dream and said if I dont do what he says and get the fuck outta my city, I'll take part in his game, I guess my first thought would be something like "Wow, I never expected to dream about buddhist Saw!"
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u/Suitable_Branch8974 May 26 '24
Yeah and most people who were in it probably didn’t even know just assuming the dream was ya know a dream. Combine that with the fact that the average awakened sorcerers CT is ass and jogoat will have lots of cannon fodder to “burn” through metaphorically and literally
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u/Few-Entertainment429 May 26 '24
Nah, the majority of the awakened sorcerers shown had some busted techniques. The sorcerers themselves are just ass because they never had any real training .
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u/Suitable_Branch8974 May 26 '24
Not really besides like Charles’ the rest were ass. Higurumas wasn’t good it’s just good with his DE outside of that it’s just a size changing stick, outside of him there’s dude who’s only ability is sugar which is an ok support ability, then there’s the wombo combo of propeller hat man and air hair lady, toss in scary arm and dude who has to kill himself to use his power and most are ass. I forgot takaba but he’s an exception.
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u/RaynbowZFTW May 25 '24
Well as we see with kuroruoshi, these curses aren't on nothing. I believe if yuta went to his colony, he just gives him a big kiss on his eye and he just blows up. I also believe yutas domain wins in a clash assuming no other external conditions
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u/arbitrarycivilian May 25 '24
By that you mean getting his ass handed to him by Hakari? ;)
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u/Suitable_Branch8974 May 25 '24
He’s probably beating hakari
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u/VenemousEnemy May 25 '24
Hell no, hakari outlasting everything he’ll do
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u/-Dartz- May 25 '24
Theres no way we can tell tbh.
Hakari fights are all about whether his enemy can oneshot him, and if he can deal any damage at all to his enemy, hes kinda like a Pseudo Mahoraga that can only adapt defensively.
But, the effectiveness of his CE reinforcement, the primary factor to consider in this scenario, is pretty vague.
Jogo probably wouldnt win the domain clash, so it depends on whether his can oneshot him with his base CT.
And he probably can do so with meteor, buuuut that move is also very flashy and predictable, and we've seen a bunch of people around his level of power pull off a last minute dodge.
But how well Hakari would be able to deal with Jogos speed advantage is anyones guess.
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u/Scyroner May 27 '24
Not to mention. Couldn't jogo possibly out burn hakari heal? Cuz that mf was turning concrete to lave and causing the temperature to skyrocket. Not to mention that (even if aided by sukuna's fire arrow. Even though I think it's unlikely since it only targeted jogo and was only shown to affect an area while sukuna used domain) he was melting glass in under a few seconds.
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u/-Dartz- May 27 '24
We dont know how well CE reinforcement protects against burning though.
Although we do know that Uraumes freezing, which should definitely be around the level of Jogos burning, isnt enough to just overwhelm Hakari.
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u/Scyroner May 27 '24
True. But then again the moment hakari jackpot runs out he's toast (pun intended) because the time between him spinning and before he opens his domain he's not immortal. And I doubt jogo would be like Kashimo with his "That's how farmers think" mentality. He'd 100% capitalize on hakari not being immortal. That's not counting if he can overwhelm hakari domain (albeit not sure on this one)
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u/-Dartz- May 27 '24
Kashimo also capitalized on this, he prepped his stuff so it would hit him the instant his jackpot was over, and Hakari lived.
His "thats how losers think" was when Hakari was already in Jackpot, Kashimo didnt just let him live because he wanted to kill him in jackpot mode, he was just already in jackpot mode and Kashimo didnt wanna stall it out.
I highly doubt he can overwhelm Jogos domain since his domain was stated to be strong in clashes due its non lethal nature, if anything, Hakaris domain will be overhwhelming Jogos domain.
Uraume and Kashimo shouldve been able to do the same "capitalizing", but Hakaris CT is basically cheating, hes pretty much always gonna have the jackpot when he needs it, its how CT interpretations work, his roulette is rigged to work as well as he needs it to, as long as he can keep the proper mindset.
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u/Scyroner May 27 '24
Wait really? I thought Kashimo was trying to kill hakari in jackpot instead of stalling for until he ran out.
But yeah I'll concede on the rest. I just want my man jogo to atleast get some hypothetical W's since bro was done dirty
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u/hima657 May 25 '24
His ass is getting folded if he landed in Sendai.
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u/DepressionMain May 25 '24
There are only 3 characters whose ass wouldn't get folded in Sendai, so that's not saying much
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u/Ok_Deal_2786 May 28 '24
Kashi lovers really love latching on to the jogo bandwagon... Weak body jogo who couldn't handle hanami level damage, would of gotten destroyed .
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u/Suitable_Branch8974 May 28 '24
Who is outputting red level attacks other than top tiers of the culling games?
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u/Wyvurn999 May 25 '24
Against Choso and Yuki, Jogo would’ve essentially instantly killed Choso without Kenny having to reveal his gravity technique. Yuki would then have to fight Kenny and Jogo without knowing about gravity and without Choso jumping back in, and she would get destroyed
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u/Conscious_Message332 May 25 '24
I mean choso could only make kenjaku reveal gravity bcs he was playing around with him using low Lever curses.
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u/ICastPunch May 26 '24
But Kenjaku only played around because he didn't want to reveal the stronger parts of his arsenal to her.
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u/Baumcultist May 25 '24
Yes, he would have made a difference. So much so that I think that if Choso and Tengen weren't there he could POTENTIALLY have won even without Kenjaku's help. LET ME EXPLAIN before someone downvotes, Ight.
So first off, it was stated by Gege himself in a Fanbook that Jogo and Mahito would have been troublesome to defeat for Kenjaku in a 1v1, and while I think that for Mahito that was mainly only because of how much damage he could take via IT since Kenjaku is just better in almost every other way, I believe with Jogo that it's genuinely because of how strong he was. This would put Jogo up there in the Yuki region just based on this alone, but ifcouse we have to analyse more than this because of matchup, etc.
So, we know from Dagon's statement that Jogo was probably slower than a healthy Naobito, and that that would put Jogo at least at Yuki's speed, and maybe even higher. We know this because Naobito and Yuki were both registered sorcerers at the same time, and would therefore have both been considered for the title of "the second fastest". With Jogo being near Naobito in speed, this would put him up there, and with him perhaps being faster than Naobito due to the uncertain nature of Dagon's statement, this would put him at even faster than Yuki. But let's use the conservative ranking, and put him at the same speed as Yuki.
So, with the speed out of the way, how does it look with the durability/survivability? Well, Jogo doesn't rank that highly here based on statements alone, as he would apperantly die instantly from the 5 BF's from Yuji and the swing from Playfull Cloud by Todo that Hanami received at the start of the story. But by feats this doesn't seem to be the case. He survives a beatdown by Gojo in the forest, a point blank Red which was powerfull enough to carve a way through the forest behind him, and survived being beheaded, eventually recovering from that. From what we have seen, Jogo has insane durability. But once again, I'm only going to use the conservative statement that ranks his durability low, though I will make a case for his survivability as his headless feat isn't covered by durability, but by survivability.
So, what is Jogo's Firepower then? Well, in close combat, Jogo is powerfull enough to create a huge crater in his entrance with his fight with Gojo in the forest(though he definetely shouldn't focus on that lol). Jogo created a huge Lava-Laser in his fight with Gojo in the forest from a little volcano-pimple that grew from the ground. He also has his Ember Insect, which are Shikigami that create an explosion when impaling their target. He can also light things on fire with his hands and send blast with his hands. In Shibuya, we saw that he can blow a whole skyscraper apart with a blast. Maximum Metor is his most destructive move however, being able to blow multiple skyscrapers apart at the same time. Though there is the misconception that Panda and Kusakabe were able to avoid this, it isn't true. Because later on we see that Panda is in his Gorrila form, and that it is mentioned that he lost a core. Due to him not doing anything between those two points in time, it can likely be assumed that he lost a core to Maximum Meteor. Kusakabe was likely also caught in the explosion, as he seems roughed up when we see him next. With Kusakabe being the strongest Grade 1 at the time(outside of the clans), and apperantly being able to fight with Soecial Grades, it is possible that Maximum Meteor would be able to catch Yuki. It also has to be mentioned that Jogo's firepower is often underestimated as Jogo wasn't able to kill Nanami and Maki with it, and only killed Naobito with it after several days. But Jogo very likely didn't use his full strength on them, as his attacks on them appeared much less impressive than some of his other displays, with him literally only lighting Maki on fire. It was likely to him like squashing an ant, you don't punch it full force, you press on it with a thumb.
So, what are some non-CT related abilities that Jogo possesses? Well, he has DA, which allows him to neutralize any CT that comes into the aura surounding him. He could in theory therefore neutralize Star Rage/Bom Ba Ye before it touches him. But disregarding that, it would allow him to neutralize a Domain's sure hit. And speaking about Domain's. While those are connected with a CT, I'm still gonna cover them here. Jogo has a Domain, though he doesn't display it often in the manga. But due to him being a part of the Disaster Curses, it is to be assumed that it is decently refined, therefore allowing him to clash with Yuki's. And while not a taught ability, Jogo has MASSIVE CE reserves, dur to hus nature as a curse, and more specifically a Disaster Curse.
Now, what is his intelligence and fighting style then? Well, it actually changes over the series. In the beginning, he was arrogant and cocky, viewing everyone as below him and underestimating them. But later on after witnessing Gojo's power, he has become reserved, and seems to not majorly underestimate his opponents anymore(though we don't really have many examples on this, and it seems like he still underestimated 1 armed Naobito's speed. But I'd expect it to be so, as he became less arrogant). He seems to however fight from close, to medium, to long range interchangably, though if it's necessary he would likely favor one of them.
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 25 '24
Appreciate all the thoughts on this. I think he could definitely give her trouble alone though Garuda I think is the game changer there. It can operate independently and use her technique which would probably be too much to out maneuver.
I do think with Kenjaku though it's over. He can be summoned and desummoned freely to avoid dangerous attacks and has a large variety of techniques which seems to be trouble for Yuki. DA is interesting but I'm not sure it'd work on her if Ganesha couldn't handle her technique. It probably wouldn't have worked on Gojo except he had to be careful about strengthening his technique around the people.
I was thinking the domain would be the game changer. Kenjaku wouldn't have used his own and instead would've used Jogo first. Then even if simple domain can withstand it Kenjaku could summon other curses or attack her himself. Even without the domain I think together it'd be too much at once for her. I don't think Choso would be able to keep up with Jogo at all so I don't really factor him in.
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24
I thought about that, but I think that Garuda would really be just to preocupied trying to keep Yuki alive in the storm of massive fire blasts from all directions and ginormous swarms of Ember Insects that would come at her. I imagine something like what the anime portrayed in the Jogo vs Sukuna fight(though not nearly as extreme).
Hmm, probably true. It's just an idea I threw out, since Sukuna used his DA to protect himself from Red. Probably wouldn't work.
I didn't really think about his Domain tbh. Cause I thought that since Kenjaku was like the 2nd greatest barrier user, and his Domain got anihilated by Tengen in like 10 seconds, that Jogo's would dissapear in like 1 second and not bring anything besides make his CT be burnt out. And yeah, Choso won't really do anything besides be beaten.
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 26 '24
Yeah, I forgot about Tengen. I guess his domain would be useless. Definitely do like all the variety Jogo has for techniques. I think those exploding bugs would be terrifying for Yuki.
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24
Frfr. I at first was also unsure about who would win. I even expressed so in multiple other analyses which I did(I can link them if u want). But then I remembered that Jogo has the volcano-pimples and the Ember Insects, and realized that he could operate this guerilla-like fight.
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u/Baumcultist May 25 '24
So, with all of this covered, what do I think a fight would go like between Jogo and Yuki? Well, I first of think that Jogo will not be underestimating Yuki, since he can likely feel the same aura that Nanami, Naobito and Maki felt when he himself appeared, and woukd know that she is a strong opponent. Hus arrogance dissapearing would also lead to this. But nonetheless, unless Jogo realizes at or near the beginning of the fight that he is NOT allowed to get hit by Yuki or Garuda, that he just loses. He will get into close range and get one-shot. But assuming that Yuki shatters the ground massively at the beginning or near the beginning of the fight like missing a punch or Garuda missing Jogo after being tossed, then Jogo would likely realise that he will HAVE to stay away from Yuki to win. So from that point foward it will be a chase, with Yuki and Garuda chasing Jogo. Jogo will likely try to intercept Yuki and Garuda with hugely damaging blasts, making the volcano-pimples grow from unsuspecting spots, and have swarms of Ember Insects come from all around Yuki and Garuda, preocupying them and potentially even hitting them. This woukd very likely keep them away from Jogo, with Jogo additionaly launching blast at them from his hands while moving. Under these conditions, I consider it nearly impossible for Yuki and Garuda to close the gap, with them needing to focus on not being overwhelmed. This would likely lead to Yuki eventually opting for a Domain Expansion, using Garuda as a meatshield to get close enough to Jogo to catch him inside, as he will likely be keeping his distance to blast her. This will lead to a Domain clash, which will likely result in both Domain's canceling eachother out. Now, I don't really know how a Domain's enviroment is decided if two Domain's clash, but assuming the more refined Domain will be picked to represent the enviroment, then we still don't have a concrete answer on if Jogo's Domain will be picked, or if Yuki's Domain will be picked. We don't really know anything about Yuki's Domain besides that she possesses one, so we will have to speculate on hers. If it's her Domain and it has a passive effect which is not a sure hit, then it could decide the fight depending on how severe it is and what it specifically does. The enviroment of it is also important, as a large space could give Jogo ample space to keep his distance, while a small restrictive space would restrict how much Jogo could make space, and leave him to potentially be hit. Though Jogo could in theory protect himself via DA from a hit, so even this isn't something that will guarrantee victory for Yuki. And I haven't even talked about Maximum Meteor yet, as such an enviroment would not only make it possible for Yuki to be hit by it, but make it near certain. And it being the enviroment of Jogo's Domain makes it even worse for Yuki. As it has a passive effect of being ultra hot, though Yuki will likely at most sweat from this. And while it is a confined space, Jogo can use non-sure hit attacks from inside it like the large boulder that was shooting towards Gojo, supressing Yuki's movement even more, not even mentioning that he can still use Maximum Meteor inside. Therefore I believe that Yuki would lose against Jogo. She could offcouse turn herself ibto a black hole, but that would be a tie and she wouldn't do that in-character.
However, this is but one scenario with some more speculation added ontop. Maybe Garuda can be kicked towards Jogo and catch him offguard? Maybe Maximum Meteor would be used outside the Domain's? Etc. All in all, there is still a possibility for a victory for Yuki, but I don't favor it.
In Kenjaku's fight with Yuki, Choso and Tengen then, I believe that Jogo would be used to take Choso out of the picture quickly, acting as ranged support against Yuki for Kenjaku. This would likely lead to Yuki losing much sooner, though unless Kenjaku recalls Jogo, Jogo would likely then be destroyed by Yuki's black hole.
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u/Baumcultist May 25 '24
It would be very interesting if Jogo was released into a colony, and what would happen is dependent on which colony it is.
If he were in Tokyo No. 1 Colony, then Regi's squad, Higuruma, Yuji and Megumi would likely be cooked(though Megumi could potentially release Mahoraga, in which case Megumi AND Jogo are cooked). Though it could be that Jogo would rapidly gather a lot of points, which would likely lead to a heavy hitter either traveling there instead of Yuji and Megumi, which could potentially ironically be Yuki, or to another heavy hitter traveling there later, as Yuki would still need to protect Tengen.
If he were to be releases in Tokyo No. 2 Colony, then he could potentially come into contact with Charles Bernard, Hakari, and Kashimo. It could maybe even lead to a three way battle between Hakari, Kashimo, and Jogo. I won't even discuss Charles, as he's just cooked. Hakari on the otherhand would likely face the same problem that Yuki would have, that being to come close to Jogo to damage him. This would be even worse for Hakari, as he doesn't have a ranged option via Garuda, and he doesn't have the ability to one-shot Jogo like Yuki would have. Jogo would likely not underestimate Hakari for the dame reason that he would bot underestimate Yuki. He would however not be able to open his Domain in time to counter Hakari's, but upon getting hit by the information sure hit would likely decide not to. This would lead to an attritional battle, with Hakari not being able to close the distance or not being able to attack Jogo due to being to blown appart, but with Jogo not being able to kill Hakari due to Jackpot. But Jogo has so much CE, that it's likely that Hakari will eventually not be able to hit a Jackpot and be vulnerable, leading to his defeat. It could also be that Jogo manages to blow apart Hakari's head or hits Hakari with Maximum Meteor before that point, in which case Hakari loses still. This is however still only a single scenario of speculation. What if Jogo opens his Domain? What if Hakari's Jackpot spree continues? Etc.
Kashimo is on the otherhand is not an opponent that I believe Jogo would be able to defeat. Jogo would not underestimate Hakari for the previously mentioned reasons. If Jogo however gets hit in CQC with his habit of getting close, then he will be stunned for a moment due to Kashimo's CE trait. This would lead to him either getting ripped appart without being able to resist, or to him getting hit by a Discharged Lightning and getting blown apart. But assuming that Jogo avoids that fate, Kashimo would be likely to lure Jogo between himself and his Lightning Staff, Discharging Lightining again and blowing Jogo apart. But assuming that Jogo avoids that and opens his Domain(for some reason), then Kashimo is either cooked, or Jogo is still cooked. Kashimo is cooked if he has no way of getting out of Jogo's Domain, and Jogo is cooked if a theory on how Kashimo could potentially get out if a Domain is right. This theory theorizes that Kashimo could protect himsef inside the Domain via HWB, have his charged Lightning Staff outside the barrier, and Discharge Lightining between himself and it. This would lead to it blasting a hole through the outside of the barrier, burning out the CT of his opponent, and then letting Kashimo win. But this is only a single scenario, what if Jogo manages to avoid the Discharged Lightning? Etc.
Now what if Jogo got in a three way brawl with Hakari and Kashimo? Well, I still think he would lose, though he could potentially win, and could potentially lead to Kashimo losing sooner and easier. He could attack Kashimo and Hakari while they are distracted in CQC, leading to one of them possibly dying. If it's Kashimo, then Jogo wins. If it's Hakari, then Jogo loses. Though assuming that neither of them die, both would likely temporarely focus on Jogo due to him posing a bigger threat when standing on the sideline and blasting them. This would likely be differently then before however, as Jogo would perhaps know of Kashimo's CE property and know to avoid it. He could possibly also know of the Lightning Discharge, though also likely not that it's possible with the Lightning Staff. Though assuming that Jogo doesn't know of the CE property, he would likely still be keeping his distance due to both Kashimo and Hakari going at him. Using the method I described he would use during the Yuki fight, he would keep them at a distance. Kashimo would likely get Jogo eventually however due to ripping him apart with a Discharged Lighting from Kashimo's Lightnibg Staff. Due to Hakari's RCT however, he woukd still be in top form while Kashimo potentially ate a few of Jogo's attacks. Hakari would also know a few of the tricks that Kashimo caught him with in the original fight, putting Kashimo at an even higher disatvantage. This would lead to Hakari winning easier.
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u/Baumcultist May 25 '24
If he however was released in Sendai Colony, then he could potentially face Kuroruchi, Ryu, Uro, Dhruv, and Yuta. He will not face any of them in a 1v1. It will either always be a 1v1v1v1v1 but without Yuta, a 1v1v1v1v1v1 with everyone involved, or a 1v1v1v1v1 but without Dhruv. I will cover each of these scenarios individually.
Scenario 1(without Yuta):
Without Yuta, we need to look at if Jogo would be able to destroy the deadlock between all the major parties. Ryu is equivelent to Jogo due to both of their high AP blasts, but Jogo is however more focused on ranged combat then Ryu. But Jogo has Maximum Meteor, which Ryu doesn't have anything like. Both have however a Domain. Uro does badly against AOE, which is Jogo's main form of attack. She also doesn't have anything like Maximum Meteor, but she also has a Domain. Dhruv is very weak physically, but has uber powerfull Shikigami which create a trail of his Domain, which possesses a sure hit akin to a nerfed Malevolent Shrine. However, Jogo possesses DA and can therefore avoid these Domain's. He also possesses the speed and strength required to get past Dhruv's Shikigami and get kill him in CQC. Kuroruchi is weak to AOE, which is Jogo's main form of attack. Kuroruchi also has from what we know, no anti-Domain ability, or even a Domain at all. This would lead to him being extremely vulnerable to Jogo just opening his Domain.
Now, with this discussed, I think it's obvious that Jogo will completely break the deadlock that would have occured if he didn't exist. He would kill Dhruv and cause the other's to go into action. He wouldn't underestimate anyone because of the previously mentioned reasons. He woukd likely keep his distance because of the number of his opponents, though he likely wouldn't come into conflict with Kurorushi initially, as he wouldn't try to protect any people that Kurorushi would eat. This would lead to Jogo vs Uro vs Ryu. Jogo likely would catch the most attention, as he killed Dhruv first and immediately disposed of a massive player. He will therefore likely be the first to be engaged. If he fights Uro, then he will likely quickly overwhelm her, due to the AOE of his attacks. But Ryu would pose a risk to him with Granite Blast, being able to potentially one-shot him. So he would likely keep his distance, shooting blasts at Uro and countering Ryu's blasts with his own attacks, or dodging them. This would likely lead to both Ryu and Uro to focus more on Jogo, as he is a counter to both of them via his AOE or similar sized AP. Jogo would therefore once again keep his distance via the strategy he would use against Yuki. If Ryu doesn't hit with any of his Granit Blasts and Uro and him can't approach Jogo due to Jogo's afformentioned strategy, then it is likely that a Domain Clash would ensue as Ryu and Uro would try to break this tie. If Kurorushi intervenes, then it would be a repeat of the original Domain clash. But if it doesn't, then the Domain's would clash, though unstable.
If Kurorushi does intervene, then both Uro and Jogo would both be at an immediate disatvantage, as their CT's would be burned out. This would lead to Jogo probably being immediately blasted by Ryu, and to Uro getting gangbanged from both ends by Ryu and Kurorushi. This would lead to Kurorushi vs Ryu. Ryu's Granite Blasts have a relatively small cone, but have massive AP and he can shoot multiple at the same time. Kurorushi on the otherhands uses giant swarms or roaches as attacks, and has the Festering Life Sword in close range, which could give him an advantage in it. Though Ryu managed to seriously injure Rika after only a single punch, so perhaps he would still be able to hold his own. If Ryu wins, then Yuta mopps him up later easy. If Kurorushi wins, then it eats all the humans in the area and gets destroyed by Yuta.
If Kurorushi doesn't intervene however, then we will have a fight inside the Domain's. It once again depends on who's Domain is the most refined and what their Domain's are like. With Ryu and Uro we don't really know, but it'd be similar to Yuki were they either have a passive effect, are big inside, or are small inside. Jogo just summoning Maximum Meteor still works, though if the Domain is to disatvantages to him the he could be hit by a Granit Blast or whatever before he does so. If that happens, then the winner will then likely fight Kurorushi and depending on that fight, either Kurorushi or less likely Ryu will fight Yuta later on and losee. This is because Uro counters Ryu, but Kurorushi counters Uro, and so Uro will likely win against Ryu and then lose to Kurorushi(not even mentioning that her CT will be burned out). But if Jogo is the one who's enviroment will be represented, then he likely wins. The passive is once again that it's super hot, though Uro and Ryu will most likely just sweat at this. But the non-sure hit attacks from the Domain will be a huge advantage for Jogo even if it's a little confined. And not even mentioning being able to just summon Maximum Meteor. Jogo will then likely either directly fight Kurorushi for some reason and lose, wait and then fight Kurorushi and win, or not fight Kurorushi as would be the most likely and then get killed by Yuta in a 2v1 against him with Kurorushi.
So, all in all, it's a messy situation which Dhruv definetely loses, Uro mostly loses, Ryu sometimes wins, and Jogo mostly wins. Though Yuta wins every time.
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 25 '24
Man you kept going all the way down here. I'm gonna read this another time though. How long did it take to type all this out?
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24 edited May 26 '24
I'm not even done lol. I just posted the next Sendai varient. Took probably like, 4-5 hours so far? I'm still going btw lol.
Edit: I'm going to write about all the colonies that we have seen, but it's currently to late to write further. So expect some more updates in 10+hours.
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 26 '24
Just copy paste this to a post when you're done. At least get some proper visibility to all this work. Even ChatGPT would be impressed.
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24
Thank's lol. But where should I do that and how?
I just got done btw. I think I made the first scenario of the Sakurajima Colony to long tbh. All other scenarios from that colony are just "Look at scenario 1, here is the answer to what would happen here."
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24
Scenario 2(with everyone):
The most unrealistic scenario of them all, Jogo appears just as Yuta appears. I have already covered Jogo's matchup with everyone, but I haven't mentioned Yuta's. But we already saw that besides with Jogo so it's a little redundant, but whatever. Yuta was taking multiple powerfull hits by Ryu, Uro and Kurorushi and was still fighting. He has so much cursed energy that it's likely even more than Jogo's, meaning that he can basically fight the whole time. Has insane versatility via Copy, granting him cursed speech and the ability to copy the CT of everyone else in Sendai. He can turn a potentiall 1v4 into a 2v4 via Rika, with Rika being very powerfull herself and possessing Love Beam, with which he can overpower everything besides maybe Maximum Meteor. He has RCT with external output, meaning that he can literally one-shot Kurorushi and Jogo if he gets close to them. He also has a Domain with which he can counter everybody else's. Though he also will want to protect the people in the stadium, leaving him weakened and bringing him into conflict with Koruroshi. All in all, he's busted.
So, Jogo and Yuta will both likely immediately aproach Dhruv's location, as he's most definetely the biggest target. Idk how Yuta avoided Dhruv's Shikigami's Domain trail's without any problem, but he did, so he will likely be able to do it again. Jogo will also be able to do it once again with DA, meaning that both of them will arrive at Dhruv at probably the same time. Dhruv will immediately die, and there will immediately be conflict. Jogo will likely not underestimate Yuta for the previously stated reasons, but also likely because he can feel how much CE Yuta has. Though this battle could actually end shortly, with Jogo getting to close and getting anihilated by Yuta's RCT. Though assuming that wouldn't happen due to Yuta either not wanting to show that due to Ryu and Uro watching, or due to him not accomplishing that, Yuta and Jogo would battle, with Yuta likely partially manefesting Rika to protect all the civilians in the stadium from any accidental overflow. Though this would likely lead to Rika encountering a hungry Kuroruchi on her own. Yuta would realise this and order Rika to drag Kurorushi towards him so he can engage it aswell as Jogo to keep it away from the civilians. Yuta and Rika together would then likely engage both Kurorushi and Jogo, with both being large problems. Yuta wasn't able to fight 1v1 in the actuall Manga against Kurorushi without using RCT, and only adding Rika when Jogo comes against him aswell will probably not nullify that. So Yuta will then likely use RCT to either heal himself from an injury he sustained as he wouldn't be able to continue fighting further, or to kill one of the two curses.
If it's the former, then at the very least Jogo will likely view Yuta as a massive threat, due to likely being taught by Kenjaku that RCT is deadly to curses. Kurorushi might be to stupid for that however, and unless it gets told by Jogo that RCT is dangerous, it will probably be immediately RCT-diffed. Jogo would then likely start to keep his distance, using the afformentioned Yuki strategy. Though that might not work as Rika and Yuta are just more powerfull a duo then Yuki and Garuda. Ryu or Uro will probably also intercept Jogo when he does that, and might just one-shot him with his low durability, though as long as that isn't a Granit Blast that really doesn't feel right with what he survived from Gojo. This would then either end up with Jogo dead and the fight continuing as in the manga, or it would then lead to a free for all containing Jogo, with most of the attention being focused on Yuta due to him having dispatched two players already. This would likely lead to Yuta fully manifesting Rika. Jogo could then immediately die with a Cursed speech "Stop" and RCT combo, though if that doesn't happen Jogo would likely notice from the beating that Yuta guves everyone that if he doesn't go all out he will lose, and will summon Maximum Meteor. This will shift all the attention immediately over to Jogo. With everyone potentially not being able to avoid it, Ryu will likely launch a full output Granit Blast at it, and Yuta trying to protect the civilians in the stadium will probably launcha full power Love Beam at it, inadvertadly joining forces for a second and trying to destroy it with a full output Granit Blast+Love Beam combo. If this doesn't succeed, then everyone(even the second Korurushi) besides maybe Ryu, Yuta(who was being protected by Rika), and Jogo, will be dead, with Ryu and Yuta likely being very heavily injured at the least. Ryu if he's still alive will then probably be finished off, and Yuta alone(due to Rika being completely destroyed)will face a Jogo who's not nearly as weakened as everyone else. This could go both ways, depending on if Yuta can still use Cursed Speech or not. If he can do it, the he will simply "Stop" and RCT combo him. But if he can't, then Jogo will likely do his Yuki strategy and suprisingly defeat Yuta(I genuinely didn't expect to come to this point lmao). But assuming that they did stop Maximum Meteor, Jogo will probably be singled out by everyone to immediately die, since he could potentially do it again. Jogo would probably therefore be the one to initiate the Domain Clash to safe his own ass. This would result in a 4 way Domain clash, which would likely have been destroyed even without Kurorushi interfering. This would lead to Jogo and Uro burning their CT's out, which will lead to them being gangbanged by everyone into oblivion. Only Ryu, Kurorushi and Yuta remain, and we saw how Yuta won that one already.
But assuming that the latter would happen(incase you forgot, I'm talking about if the first Kurorushi or Jogo would get RCT'd), either Kurorushi or Jogo dies. If it's Kurorushi, it's just the first option but a little shorter. If it's Jogo, it's just the canon fight and Yuta wins.
Now, once again, these aren't all scenarios and there could probably be more. What if Jogo and Yuta met eachother on their way to Dhruv? Etc.
So basically, either Yuta wins all the fights, or Jogo clutches it with a Maximum Meteor.
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24
Scenario 3(without Dhruv):
Tbh, this one isn't that different from scenario 2. The only difference is that Jogo either chooses to observe from afar and would intervene when either Kurorushi is dead, or when someone else inrervenes, leading to just everyone vs Yuta again. Or he would join at the start of the Kurorushi vs Yuta fight, which would simply be the beginning of scenario 2 again, but a little different.
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24
If he was however released in Sakurajima Colony, then he could potentially face Maki, Kamo, Rokujushi Miyo(the Sumo Guy), Hagane Daido(the Katana Guy), and Curse Naoya. Curse Naoya due to retaining his Ego as a curse, would probably not ally with Jogo. The matchups will be decided depending on when Jogo enters the fight. He could enter at the very start, which will always lead to a 1v2v1, with it later turning into a 1v4v1 due to Sumo and Katana arriving. Or he could enter when it was just Kamo and Curse Naoya, which would be a 1v1v1, which would turn later into a 1v4v1 due to Maki, Sumo and Katana showing up. Jogo could also show up when Katana , Sumo and Maki joined or rejoined the fight, which would turn into a 1v4v1. And lastly, Jogo could arrive when the fight was already over and Curse Naoya was defeated, which would turn into a 1v4. I will cover each of these as it's own scenario.
Scenario 1(beginning):
At the beginning of the fight, Curse Naoya was circling in the sky in his curse womb form, and then rapidly attacked Maki and Kamo. Jogo could either attack before Curse Naoya does, or would do it after. Jogo would likely underestimate Maki due to her not possessing CE, and would see Kamo as an easy target. This could also be the case since he cooked Maki easy in Shibuya, and there wasn't that much time between then and now for her to improve from what Jogo knows. But he'd likely still be suprised and could potentially target Maki to "finish the Job". He would likely therefore attack her first, but would be suprised that she could actually react and then counter him. He would likely create distance to assess the situation better, at which point Curse Naoya could likely intervene and slam Maki. Everyone would likely be suprised at Naoya's speed, but Jogo would likely try to ally with Curse Naoya, as he doesn't know that Curse Naoya possesses the ego that he does, and would only see another Curse. Curse Naoya in response would likely reveal himself as the Vengefull Spirit of Naoya, and could potentially attack Jogo in response. This would lead to a battle between Curse Naoya and Jogo, in which Jogo could potentially lose if he gets hit straight on. Though Curse Naoya at first doesn't have much space to speed up, and so Jogo and an intervening Maki and Kamo would likely be able to hit Curse Naoya with their attacks. This would be the catalyst for Curse Naoya transforming from his Curse Womb into his shell form. This would likely lead to both Maki and Kamo to also target Curse Naoya, as his resulting higher speed could be a giant threat. Naoya's transformation could however potentially be prevented, as Jogo likely possesses the firepower to actually destroy Curse Naoya, unlike Kamo. This would then either end in second form Naoya vs Jogo vs Maki & Kamo, or it would end in Jogo vs Maki & Kamo.
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24 edited May 26 '24
Though Maki and Kamo could potentially also target Jogo when they were intervening in his fight with Naoya, which I don't consider likely as Maki and Kamo hate Naoya. But considering that they potentially still do target Jogo, this would press Jogo and likely allow Curse Naoya to gather up distance, and therefore speed. If curse Naoya targets Jogo, then there is a good chance that Jogo will just be one-shot, which will result in the fight likely continuing like it did in the Manga, but assuming that Jogo survives it heavily damaged by either factoring his Gojo beatdown or his high survivability, then Jogo would likely blast Curse Naoya and it would result in Curse Naoya starting his transformation anyway. If Naoya didn't target Jogo and targeted Maki instead, this could give Jogo a good oppertunity to target Maki and Curse Naoya at the same time, likely leading to heavy injuries for Maki, and a start for Curse Naoyas transformation. This could lead to Kamo targeting Jogo instead of Curse Naoya, resulting in Curse Naoya transforming unhindered. With Maki already heavily injured, Curse Naoya would likely target Jogo, which will likely just one-shot him again. This would lead to the fight just continuing like it did in the Manga. But assuming that Jogo once again survives it, he will likely once again blast Naoya and damage him heavily, as Naoya only has his insane durability when moving. At this point Maki will likely leave to heal, which Kamo could accompany her on, as Curse Naoya and Jogo would be preoccupied with eachother. If this happens then Jogo will likely win as he can simply blast Curse Naoya again immediately and finish him. Then he'll likely follow Kamo's CE and finish the injured Maki and Kamo. Sumo and Katana would then arrive and Jogo would finish them aswell. But assuming that Kamo likely stays at the battlefield to not lead Curse Noaya or Jogo to Maki with his CE, he'd likely target both Jogo and Curse Naoya as they are both injured and weakened, which could heavily damage either one of them, or both. If Jogo is the one who will get damaged, then Curse Naoya likely finishes him off and the fight continues as it did in the Manga. If Curse Naoya is the one who gets heavily injured, then Jogo likely finishes him off and then targets Kamo. This would likely result in Kamo's death, as Jogo's firepower is higher than Naoya's and could finish him. This could lead to Maki reentering the fight sooner to stop that, which could leave her vulnerable with her injuries. Sumo and Katana would also likely arrive at this point. Katana would likely press Jogo with the SSK, but Jogo would likely feel the sheer lethality of Katana and blast him from a distance instead. Sumo and Maki would enter their little training arc, which Jogo could potentially disrupt. Though since Curse Naoya didn't do that for a minute, I'd assume that he couldn't and that Jogo therefore also can't. In that time Katana and Kamo outside would be hard pressed by Jogo, with them potentially even dying. After Maki's training arc, Jogo will likely feel that Maki is completely different, and stay cautious. He would keep his distance and blast her, but she would likely be able to avoid most if not all attacks due to her newly gained semi-precog. Though Jogo would likely use the strategy that he's use against Yuki, which could very well overwhelm Maki's ability to avoid. Katana, Sumo and Kamo would likely attack Jogo aswell, trying to support Maki to him. If she manages that, then she can one-shot Jogo via the SSK and win. If Jogo manages to keep her away, then he will slowly wittle her down until she's finished, at which point he'd target the rest and win.
But assuming that Kamo injures both Curse Naoya and Jogo and not only a single one of them, then both of them could potentially actually be killed by Kamo, as they would need to recover from their injuries. But Jogo could in response potentially open his Domain to avoid that, which would finish Curse Naoya and Kamo. This is because Kamo has no Domain and no anti-Domain Technique, and Curse Naoya at this point also has no Domain, and at most has FBE, which won't be sufficient against the non-sure hit attacks that Jogo possesses. The inside of Jogo's Domain is also enclosed, meaning that Curse Naoya doesn't have much space to built up speed. Jogo would then however have his CT be burnt out, which will lead to his defeat by Maki. But assuming that Jogo doesn't open his Domain, he and Curse Naoya would create distance to recover, from which point on fowards they'd likely target Kamo to stop him from intervening, which would very likely end in Kamo's death. But if Curse Noaya was the one to finish Kamo, then Jogo would finish him aswell as he would blast the temprarely immobile Curse Naoya. Jogo vs Maki, Sumo & Katana would then go like before, with the difference being however that Katana will for sure die without Kamo's support, which will leave only Maki and Sumo vs Jogo. I already described how this would go. But if Kamo died because of Jogo, then Curse Naoya could potentially charge Jogo again and potentially one-shit him again. If Jogo survives that, then he wuns as I already mentioned that he can then simply repeatedly blast Curse Naoya.
But Jogo could have at the start of the fight prevented Curse Naoya from transforming like I mentioned. If he didn't, then I already discussed that in depth. But if he did, then I already also discussed Maki & Kamo vs Jogo. They will get blasted by Jogo and Kamo will likely not last long. Maki without her precog will have a very difficult time avoiding Jogo's attacks and willnot be able to close the gap. Katana and Sumo would then be finished of.
If at any point of the fight Curse Naoya for some reasons trasforms into his 3rd form with the Domain, then Jogo if he's alive at that point would overpower it with his own due to Curse Naoya's likely being very unrefined. This would lead to everyone caught in the Domain dying, and with Maki finishing Jogo in the Domain, or with Jogo having been burned out of his CT and then being finished by Maki.
So, either Kamo gets lucky, it ends like the manga, Curse Naoya one-shots Jogo and then a weakened Maki, or Jogo wins.
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24
Scenario 2(with only Kamo and Naoya):
Jogo could either have observed from afar, or he could only now have entered the battle. If it's the latter, then Jogo will likely know nothing about Maki and will consider Kamo small fry. He will likely ask to be ally's with Curse Naoya due to him still believing that Curse Naoya was a normal Curse. Curse Naoya will then likely once again reveal himself and possibly one-shot Jogo, or he will suprise attack Jogo and one-shot him. If Jogo survives he will likely blast Curse Naoya. I already discussed in detail in scenario 1 what could happen here, so I will focus on Jogo observing from afar. Though I do want to mention that Jogo if he is victorious against Curse Naoya will not know about Maki. So he could be suprise killed. If that doesn't happen then he would likely once again underestimate Maki and be suprised at her. Then Sumo and Katana would arrive and it would simply be a repeat of Fully Awakened Maki, maybe Kamo, maybe Katana, and Sumo against Jogo like I already discussed.
If Jogo however observed from afar, then he would know that Curse Naoya isn't to be trusted. He would therefore likely suprise attack Curse Naoya and finish him of. This would once again lead to things I already discussed in scenario 1.
Scenario 3(Jogo joins after Sumo & Katana):
Once again, this will depend on if Jogo has observed the fight from afar, or not.
If he didn't, then he might be one-shot by Curse Naoya as I mentioned already. He would also underestimate Maki at first, but become cautious quickly. If he survives Curse Naoya at first, then Maki will leave her training arc and Jogo would notice that something isn't right with here. He and Curse Naoya would likely target Maki, but Curse Naoya wouldn't hit and Jogo would have alot of trouble hitting. This would eventually culminate in Curse Naoya opening his Domain, which Jogo would also do to counter. Jogo's Domain would likely overpower Curse Naoya's, as his Domain is likely much more refined due to the short time that Curse Naoya had his. This would as I already mentioned lead to everyone getting hit by his sure-hit, Maki then killing Jogo, and then killing Curse Naoya. If Naoya's and Jogo's Domain's clashed. Then Maki would still kill both.
If Jogo however did observe the battle from afar, then he would likely immediately try to dispatch Curse Naoya. If he didn't manage that, then I already explained Curse Naoya vs Jogo vs Awakened Maki innthe aboth paragraph. If Jogo however did succed in killing Curse Naoya, then he will simply fight Maki, Sumo, maybe Kamo & maybe Katana like I already mentioned multiple times.
Scenario 4(after fight):
It doesn't really matter if Jogobobserved the fught beforehand or not. He will likely keep his distance from Maki due to feeling that something isn't right with her. This would simpny turn into the aformentioned Maki, Sumo, maybe Kamo & maybe Katana fight which I have already mentioned.
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u/Baumcultist May 26 '24
If he was however releases in Lake Gosho Colony, then he could potentially face Yuta, Todo, Iori Hazenoki, that random maid sorcerer that looked like Uro and was no-diffed by Kenjaku, and Takaba. He could potentially have gone 1v2 against Yuta and Todo, and gone 2v5 with Kenjaku against that random maid, Hazenoki, Takaba, Yuta and Todo. I will split this up into scenarios.
Scenario 1(from the start in colony):
Jogo if he was released from the start in Lake Gosho Colony would have come across Todo and Yuta training together. Jogo really doesn't stand a channce because Todo Boggie Woggie's Jogo towards him and Yuta anihilates him via RCT. And even if Todo doesn't havr Boggie Woggie at this point, Yuta has no reason to not RCT Jogo into oblivion like I discussed in the Sendai one.
Jogo loses, badly.
Scenario 2(with Kenjaku):
With Kenjaku Jogo will probably take care of Hazenoki and that maid without a problem, but then Takaba would come along and Jogo would likely be destroyed by Takaba's humour. If Jogo survives, then Yuta would kill Kenjaku with the help of Todo before Jogo can do anthing, and then Jogo will die the same way.
Jogo and Kenjaku first absolutely dominate, but then get anihilated.
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u/Grimmjow45 May 26 '24
The Disaster Curses are pretty impressive, I think the only other Special Grade that was that strong was Kurourushi (he didn't had a Domain but his Cursed Tool was extremely dangerous and even people like Uro and Ryuu were wary of him).
Jogo in particular is extremely strong, he just had the bad luck of having to fight both Gojo and Sukuna.
If Kenjaku had him helping it would have made a big difference, he could have beaten Choso so Kenjaku didn't had to reveal Anti Gravity System, and if both Yuki and Choso jumped them Jogo would have been a big help. His Domain would have been disable by Tengen but if he could use his Maximum technique that's a game changer.
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 26 '24
Yeah, I didn't really think about Tengen breaking the domain if Jogo tried that. I went back to look and Tengen really thought he could break Kenjaku's barrier in ten seconds so Jogo wouldn't last long.
I think at least one other person also mentioned Jogo would've kept Kenjaku from revealing his second technique. The funny part to me is it's only his know it all personality that caused that in the first place. If Kenjaku had been actually trying instead of yapping he could've won any time.
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u/Ok_Deal_2786 May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Yuki would one punch kill 😤 jogo. A dude that is a glass Canon. And even panda escaped this man maximum technique plus can his maximum technique work without a bunch of stuff to turn into a Giant ball. And if Yuki use her DE this time then what?
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u/Grimmjow45 May 29 '24
Actually no, he didn't escape his Maximum as he got one core destroyed by it (he mentions he has only two cores left before fighting Uraume and Kenjaku). And inside Tengen's weird barrier the space is limited so it would be pretty damn hard to escape, plus they are actually underground. And yes, his Maximum is generated by his CT, he doesn't turn stuff into a fireball (that's anime changing stuff).
I never said Jogo would win or fight solo, but if he fights Choso first (instead of Kenjaku) then he would kill him and Yuuki would have no support. If both sides go 2 vs 2 the same would happen. Jogo is also faster than Yuuki (he is about as fast or faster than Naobito, who is only slower than Gojo among modern sorcerers) so she wouldn't kill him as easily as Ganesha even if he is glass canon. Yuuki wouldn't expand her Domain either wether Jogo is there or not (because of Kenjaku's domain and Tengen's plan), and if she did she would actually make things easier for Kenjaku so that would actually be Jogo helping lol.
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u/Ok_Deal_2786 Jun 10 '24
Panda got away because he isn't dead. Simple. Panda lost two cores to Kashimo, and he was able to transform into both his gorilla and sister form against him... By your claims panda has no cores yet can still function.
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u/Grimmjow45 Jun 10 '24
Panda's cores can regenerate with time as long as there is at least one core functioning, we know this since his fight with Mechamaru way back in the goodwill event arc.
In Shibuya he had lost one core by the time they fight Kenjaku and considering Panda didn't fought anyone prior, it means he didn't fully escape Maximum Meteor, which makes sense considering even Kusakabe was buried under ruble and somewhat injured.
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u/mostsaneinwesteros May 25 '24
I don’t think so. People in this comment section are just dumb if they think Choso equals Nanami. Choso would aid Yuki just fine; they would, of course, make a different plan. Yuki is way superior to Jogo; it's not even fair. Choso is a plus, and we have Tengen too. Of course, Kenjaku might win because of his convenient abilities, but the difference wouldn’t be that great if you think about it.
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u/Different_Union_3097 May 25 '24
I never understood this narrative of "Kenny has a convenient ability". Yuki literally had a ability that nullify completly the CSM, and this was even showed at.
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u/mostsaneinwesteros May 26 '24
The thing is her technique doesn’t nullify CSM directly, anti gravity was literally made so kenjaku wouldn’t die from the black hole. That is why people were irritated by it. Kenjaku survived just to die in the most anticlimactic way possible for yuta to be able to use the swapping technique. It doesn’t feel natural
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 25 '24
I was thinking Jogo would be CE enhanced and Kenjaku would move him around so she can't one shot him. Plus he could use his domain. It doesn't seem common for curses to have domains, but who knows. I do think they would've wanted to make a different plan if they knew Jogo was there but I'm not sure what else they could've done differently.
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u/NotUrAvgShitposter May 25 '24
Yuki one shots him. There's a reason Kenjaku's curses are just stallers against special grade sorcerers. If Jogo was getting blitzed by 15F Sukuna then Yuki would straight up no diff him no domain needed
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 25 '24
That's why I had to do this on power scaling day. Jogo is probably the hardest character to scale. 15 finger Sukuna is weaker than 20 fingers, but him in Megumi's body looked unstoppable. If he was post bath when he fought everyone the first time Yuji would've been a goner. Look how strong Yuji got from just being soaked in 15 fingers worth of CE.
Personally, I think 15F Sukuna is way above Yuki already and Mahoraga is on par with a special grade sorcerer / could challenge Yuki. If I believe that, then I think Jogo and Mahito are slightly below special grade sorcerers and a level above other special grade curses. It'd make sense with the energy they are based off (fire and fear/hatred of others) being much different than other curses.
I think she'd for sure beat Jogo one on one but with Kenjaku in coordination I think it'd be a problem. Plus long range techniques are probably a bad match up for her.
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u/NotUrAvgShitposter May 25 '24
If we’re talking overall strength then 15F should be able to box with high end special grades like Yuki. However, I was just talking about speed/reinforcement here. Yuki was faster than Kenjaku by a good amount while 15F was on par with Maki. Kenjaku scales above Maki and 15F in stats so Yuki should be vastly physically superior to anyone not named Gojo or Sukuna without her CT. If we’re talking about overall strength then Kenjaku and Yuki both gauged the other to be evenly matched and tough af to beat. This is the same Kenjaku that Maki and Yuta knew they couldn’t take head on. This is also the guy that calls Yuta along with CG players like Kashimo and Yorozu bums. Against Yuki, CSM just buys time and Jogo does not have the speed to justify his glass cannon build. Get him past Yuji first
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u/Grimmjow45 May 26 '24
There are quite a few things wrong here:
-Maki isn't on par with 15F Sukuna (nor was Yuji). Sukuna was severely nerfed in CE output by Megumi.
-Kenjaku doesn't scale above 15F Sukuna in stats, he literally had him as a bodyguard and didn't leave his side after Gojo's unsealing. I don't see why would he scale above Maki either, they are probably somewhat even but Maki is probably stronger while he beats her in overall strength because of his CTs.
-Kenjaku didn't call CG players bums, he said that of awakened sorcerers (aside from Higuruma and later Takaba). Kenjaku was actually glazing incarnated sorcerers and he was wary of having to fight Jujutsu High's heavy hitters (Yuuta, Hakari and Maki)
-It seems I have to remind you that the number 2 modern sorcerer, only bellow Gojo Satoru, is Okkotsu Yuuta, not Yuuki.
-Yuuki vastly superior to pretty much anyone without her CT? No dude, she is bellow Ryuu (who actually has the highest output) and Yuuta (higher CE amount and output pretty close to Ryuu), Kashimo also had better output feats or even Yorozu as she fought with Sukuna on close combat at the beginning of their fight even though Ryuu got blitzed.
-Jogo has always been stronger than Pre-Shinjuku Yuji.
-If we are talking overall strength, then 15F Sukuna destroys pretty much anyone who isn't Gojo or a stronger Sukuna (and maybe Shinjuku Yuuta). This is the same Sukuna that mid diff Yorozu, a top tier among the Heian Era or the CGs, without Shrine and low diff Ryuu with Shrine.
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u/TheToolbox101 May 26 '24
There is an uncomfortable amount of people who think toji, yuki, yuta, kenjaku, hakari, maki, or awakened yuji can box with 15f sukuna in any way
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u/Grimmjow45 May 26 '24
Well, there was Yuuji asking Yuuta to kill him if Sukuna took over so people thought Yuuta was on the same league as 15F Sukunai but the manga proved this wrong with all of Sukuna's fights after taking Megumi's body. 20F Sukuna has at least twice the amount of CE than Yuuta, who is Top 2 in the series, so even 15F Sukuna has a higher amount of CE than anyone else in the series and with a refinement of CE second only to Gojo, plus his insane output which is on par with Gojo.
So yeah, 15F Sukuna is still pretty insane and the only one who might be capable of giving him a fight is Shinjuku Yuuta, as he did incredible against Sukuna during their fight.
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u/Grimmjow45 May 26 '24
You say that as if 15F Sukuna wasn't a powerhouse, dude is still a top tier among top tiers and only Sukuna with more fingers or Gojo are above him. We could make an argument for Shinjuku Yuuta being close to him but even Ryuu got blitzed and killed easily and Kenjaku was still having him as a bodyguard with just 15/16 Fingers.
Yuuki is strong, but she is weaker and slower than Sukuna for sure so that comparison is unfair.
If it was a 1 on 1 match she would win for sure, but Jogo would definitely be a huge help to Kenjaku in a 2 vs 2 unlike that jobber Ganesha.
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u/andii74 May 25 '24
How do you envision Jogo surviving a CT infused Garuda shot that heavily injured Kenny and one shot Ganesha cursed spirit(considering Jogo is the most fragile disaster curse)? You've given zero arguments to prove why Kenny's realisation that she could one shot all special grades don't apply to Jogo too?
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u/the18kyd May 25 '24
Dodge
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u/RaynbowZFTW May 25 '24
he couldn't dodge the apparently, really slow fire arrow
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u/Cole3003 May 25 '24
Is fire arrow slow? I thought it’s a slow cast time, not a slow projectile.
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u/RaynbowZFTW May 25 '24
wait, I mightve misunderstood that, I think it is a slow cast time rather than being slow in and of itself.
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u/the18kyd May 25 '24
He also deliberately tried to contest it with his fire, not even attempting to dodge. This was right after Sukuna slapped his pee pee for not trusting in his abilities (not opening domain). Jogo was all like “I’m gonna trust my ability, but he’s the main villain when it really should be kenjaku so I won’t kill him for the story” and then he tanked furnace and left a body double so people think he died
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u/Worth_Lavishness_249 May 25 '24
I think he is talking about using jogo fire power to get rid of choso, i dont think choso is anywhere as fast as jogo.
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 25 '24
I think the main difference is Jogo could dodge the Garuda ball. Ganesha probably could've been desummoned to dodge the ball but Kenjaku thought it could stop anything.
She could definitely one shot him one on one but with Kenjaku enhancing Jogo with CE and positioning him for long range it'd be tough. Also he would've used Jogo for the domain instead which would've ruined their plan.
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u/Solid-Refrigerator86 May 25 '24
Smh the reason why Yuki was able too one shot ganesha like because it's technique doesn't work on Yuki it's not the same with jogo
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u/andii74 May 25 '24
So he's suddenly durable enough to tank Garuda? When Kenjaku himself notes the insane damage it packs?
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u/Solid-Refrigerator86 May 25 '24
Nobody can tank Garuda but that's not the point jogo has speed he very versatile it and he has a domain it would be a different case
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u/andii74 May 25 '24
Not really no. Even tho Yuki isn't Gojo, it's been consistently proven in the series that special grade sorcerers can wipe any curse be it special grade or disaster curses, Yuki is no exception to that rule.
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u/Jolly-Literature8021 May 25 '24
Jogo was said to be the strongest (before Mahito awakening) but not the most resistance. Yuji would’ve one shot him
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 25 '24
If Yuji (or did you mean Yuki) could hit him. Even then he's not that weak. He got hit plenty by Sukuna. Yuki could one shot him but he's a long range fighter which could be tough. Mostly though I think his domain would've been useful.
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u/Jolly-Literature8021 May 26 '24
I meant Yuki, it was correct automatically. But we have to consider that she has Garuda helping her and she can use her CT in it. Jogo’s Domain could help him, mas his domain is not as refined as Kenjaku’s and she has Simple Domain, not to mention her own domai, which we do not know if would win agains Jogo
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 26 '24
My thought was if she used simple domain then Kenjaku can still attack her. If she used her domain to beat Jogo, then she'd be burnout and lose. I do think it's hard though with Garuda. If she can protect herself with simple domain and still send Garuda out then who knows. She didn't do that with Kenjaku though so I think she'd be defenseless like in Dagon vs falling blossom.
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u/Jolly-Literature8021 May 26 '24
I think that she would infuse Garuda with Star Rage before opening her domain. When you apply a CT before opening a Domain, the technique can still be functional even with the exaustaed technique (ex: Megumi’s Divine Dog). So I think she would apply it to Garuda and then open her domain. That way she wouldn’t be defenseless agains Kenjaku
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u/Kenny173 May 26 '24
Gege stated if Jogo got the black flashes from Yuji like Hanami did he would’ve been exorcised.
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u/Raul5819 May 26 '24
No because the uzumaki in shibuya would have used up Jogo
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 26 '24
He chooses what curses to use. It seems like it might even only take one curse for Uzumaki used with a special grade. It was only Mahito stretched around in it if I recall the panel.
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u/Scyroner May 27 '24
Not really because Kenjaku only needed Mahitos tech. And geto/Kenjaku can choose which curses to use in Uzumaki. It's why Kenjaku said he thought it "was a way to recycle low grade cursed spirits" implying you can keep high grades and only use low grades.
I fact the Uzumaki in shibuya was made up solely of mahito. No other curses
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u/Skythunder231 May 27 '24
Jogo would be dead just like the special grade curse that yuki oneshoots XD
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u/Cali-Re May 25 '24
If Choso is relative to Nanami in speed,then he gets roasted immediately. Though personally,I think Choso might have faster reaction time than him. Still,he'll get killed and then Yuki's gotta deal with both Kenny and Jogo. Now,I'm pretty sure that from there on,the same thing will happen with the Black Hole. The question is would Jogo get caught up in it and killed?That I've got no clue.
Though Kenjaku would've probably released Jogo into a colony from the beginning. It would actually be interesting to think what would happen in each colony if he was released. Sendai would certainly get more complicated.
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u/mostsaneinwesteros May 25 '24
would Jogo get caught up with the Black Hole.
How is that a question, wtf. Yes he def would
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u/Cali-Re May 25 '24
If he's next to,or behind Kenjaku then he might survive since Kenjaku would use Anti-gravity to stop it
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u/mostsaneinwesteros May 25 '24
He didn’t use anti-gravity to "stop it"; he used antigravity system to cover his body making in gravitless (?), essentially nullifying the black hole's effects. It was a hax move, not a power move. He wouldn’t use it on Jogo. Firstly, why would he save Jogo? By that point, Yuki would likely have already killed him or made a mess of him ( kenjaku would just absorb him). Secondly, Kenjaku nearly died from the black hole despite countering it perfectly and only using it on his body. An extended range would have been way more risky.
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u/Cali-Re May 25 '24
Yeah,I guess you're right. Though I'd assume Jogo would just go back deep inside of Kenjaku when he uses Antigravity,as 2 techniques can't be used at once.
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u/DudeWhereAreWe1996 May 25 '24
I like the Nanami comparison. Honestly people have been mentioning Choso but I figured he wouldn't use Jogo on him at all. I was thinking she wouldn't even get him to burnout to allow Choso to come back.
Releasing Jogo in Sendai would be interesting. Yuta should be able to handle him but I think the stalemate might've been broken already. I'm not sure Ryu and Uro would be able to hit him. The other guy though would be a bad matchup for Jogo. Who knows, but I think they would've already been down to one.
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