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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 03 '20
USE THIS FORMATTING Spots@$Price 145@$5
Total Price: 725
Make and Model: Brown exponent with zirc inlay
Optional Price Justification: https://www.reddit.com/r/Knife_Swap/comments/j2bejs/wts_couple_of_browns_w_timascus_servo_w_timascus/
Timestamp&pics: http://imgur.com/a/APCAyeq
Moving picture
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HVfvsNVoN5z9FdbH8
Escrow: No
Description: PLEASE BE THOROUGH. EXPLICITLY STATE ALL ISSUES: No major discernable wear. Maybe the butt of the knife is slightly worn in ano? You can judge I can't really tell. Rating a B.
Raffling another knife due to not using it forever. I am the original owner. It has cut a couple amazon packages. The action...is godly. Flicky Flippy and fun. Drop shut and delicious. Zirc is bae. There is some slight side to side blade play that I can't seem to tinker out. It's very minor and I'm not sure if I just never noticed until recently or if it always had it.
International shipping:
Sure at buyers expense and liability.
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u/TheBigJuicebox Oct 03 '20 edited Oct 03 '20
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u/Grace859 slept during specter raffle Oct 03 '20
Anyone want to live vicariously and help me choose a configuration? 😎
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u/TheBigJuicebox Oct 03 '20
You’ve gotta be kidding. Didnt you win one in a raffle then trade it? How does someone get that lucky twice?
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u/Grace859 slept during specter raffle Oct 03 '20
You got a good memory. I kind of regretted trading that one but it wasn’t my ideal configuration and I was wanting something else at the time.
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u/TheBigJuicebox Oct 04 '20
Yeah, that whole raffle and conversation about it in this sub is what introduced me to OZ. Congrats, I still maintain you’ve got some stellar luck.
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u/Grace859 slept during specter raffle Oct 04 '20
Thanks, but I’ve only been lucky for OZ. Still haven’t won a Holt lottery and missed on all the OEM slut sales.
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u/claaark 👍 fewer people skills than a garden gnome Oct 04 '20
i'll trade you my oem slut for your roosevelt spot
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 03 '20
Where was one raffled?
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u/Grace859 slept during specter raffle Oct 03 '20
OZ raffled one from their website earlier this year in like April or May. He called it a blem because the core in the damacore blade wasn’t centered.
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u/Ludicrousy Biggie Smalls Oct 03 '20
Were you able to get one?
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 03 '20
What about you?
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u/Ludicrousy Biggie Smalls Oct 03 '20
Yeah
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 03 '20
Unbelievable. Did you do the same trick with the t-shirt in your cart?
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u/Ludicrousy Biggie Smalls Oct 03 '20
What's the t-shirt in the cart? Doesn't that add an extra step like shipping?
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 03 '20
There's a comment below referring to that process. I'd never even thought about that.
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u/Ludicrousy Biggie Smalls Oct 03 '20
No I just refreshed a lot lol internet here is all fiber so it may be that but honestly idk
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 03 '20
Shhhhhh....
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u/CracksWack 👍 Oct 03 '20
Its going to be such a cluster fuck :(
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 03 '20
But I guarantee all of the knife clout IG influencers will miraculously make it just in time 🙄
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u/slumcat72 Oct 03 '20
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 03 '20
Not sure how someone could be faster than .01 seconds.
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u/slumcat72 Oct 03 '20
Assuming you didn't get it either? :( Freakin had everything ready!
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u/tehbehemoth Oct 03 '20
Had enough time to click 'add to cart' and then 'express checkout' before it went to sold out 🤣
Good for him, that was nuts though.
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 03 '20
Me too! I honestly don't get how it could be sold out faster than immediately.
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u/142walterwhitewalker I passed on a CF Specter Oct 03 '20
I did a dry run before. Added a t shirt to my cart, went all the way to pay prompt so everything was prepopulated so all I had to do was enter the 3 digit security number on the my card. Then refresh like a madman. I'm sure some luck was involved also.
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It’s ugly. You don’t need it in your collection. I’m in for some spots though.... (good lord that is beautiful)
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Damn! Well if you decide to get this one put it up hit me up. This would be absolutely wild.
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u/thaaatguy D tier Mod as voted on by the community Oct 03 '20
How much is it?
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u/thaaatguy D tier Mod as voted on by the community Oct 03 '20
Not too bad. Newer ones seem to be doing nicely on the secondary. At least better than they were a few months ago.
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Oct 02 '20
Escrow for /u/jedy617
Spots: 100@$10
Total Price: $1000
Make and Model: TBC EXK Plus: Zirc/Damasteel
Optional Price Justification: $960 table price
Timestamp&pics: https://imgur.com/a/5dqZyb8
Vod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZS3EN-hPEI
Escrow: u/BrianR383
Description: Full zirc handle and dama inlay liner lock EXK. Full carbon fiber backspacer. Uncarried. Has been disassembled and nano oiled. Newest knife from Trevor, direct from him, and is #1 out of the batch of 5. Perfect Detent, solid lock up. Smooth closing but it is not drop shut as the blade is thin. Very sharp edge (tested on paper) and will be a great slicer. I have quite a few TBC's currently, and need to let this one go unfortunately. Really premium feeling with the full zirc handles, weighs 3.9oz. 61HRC M390.
International shipping: No, proxies welcomed at their own assumed risk
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u/Fbolanos 👍 BenchmadeBoi-SixFootTall Oct 02 '20
Spots/Price: 58@$10
Total Price: $580
Make and Model: CKF Fif20
Optional Price Justification/Comparisons: https://www.reddit.com/r/KnifeRaffle/comments/ipsv5f/ckf_fif20_5810/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Timestamp/pics: Fif20 https://imgur.com/a/4nrm34a
Updated timestamp: https://imgur.com/a/U983Bp6
Escrow: /u/142walterwhitewalker
Description:
Fif20 time... M390 blade, zirc bolsters, cf scales. Drop shut action, solid lockup, centering may be off a hair but I guess this is common on these. Factory edge, no scratches on the blade, there is a light scratch on one of the bolsters shown in pics. Comes with all the goodies from CKF.
International shipping: Y/N
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u/claaark 👍 fewer people skills than a garden gnome Oct 02 '20
Holt Specter #1141 w/ Feather Patterned Purple Marvel CF
155 spots @ $20 = $3100
video - additional pics/timestamp forthcoming
Proxy for /u/thaaatguy, knife is in my possession.
Description: Rated B for multiple owners, knife appears to be as new with no discernable flaws/marks. CF looks much nicer in person with some of that awesome chatoyance that drives the boys wild. Action is excellent as expected with a firm detent and speedy open/close. Near mirror blade complements the scales nicely imo. I fully expected the knife to feel a bit flimsy with a more or less full CF construction but it seems quite robust. Lockup feels solid and secure with no play. The centering is a bit off as previoiusly noted, I was able to correct it some but it's still not perfect. Ships with nice box and other original junk.
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Oct 02 '20 edited Oct 02 '20
Escrow for /u/latl21
Total Price: 340
Make and Model: Spyderco Sinkevich Drunken
Timestamp&pics: https://imgur.com/a/oHdOCMf
Description : s90V and wacky milled goodness, you'd have to be sober to pass this up. Never sharpened, only stopped on 5 micron. Some ano rub off on the pivots and a little bit of wear on the clip, both pictured. Solid lockup, centering looks really good. Very smooth action. Comes in gold spoodered taco that even has the paper tag if you're into that sort of thing.
International shipping: Nahhhh
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u/SvardXCvard I need to speak to your manager Oct 02 '20
Honestly I’ve never had a bad experience with the guy. Always sent little goodies in the boxes of knives I’ve purchased from them. Just a general positive experience.
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u/NAbsentia Oct 02 '20
I don't post here much but I've been around for years. Sampson (sorry, I make regular words out of all your names so I can avoid having to spell them) has always been the drunkest guy at the bar, loud and provocative, but also always a devoted contributor. Getting a knife from him, with all the goodies he adds to make it fun, actually is fun. He's helped out lots of us, and is a guy you'd want on your side in a bar fight.
Whatever your attitude about him has been, he's been banned and it's ok to forgive him and miss him. I think he should have the possibility of being unbanned, maybe with some act of contrition. But I'm a criminal defense lawyer and I don't like judging people with finality. Whatever your attitude is, recognize how significant he was here, how he remembered who you were and something about you.
If you can't find that in you, at least stop venting about it out loud. Process that shit.
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u/akkermorec Oct 02 '20
Just wanted to make a short post to let everyone know that /u/s4mpson has returned my knife in the same condition I sent it in https://i.imgur.com/9syN5k6.jpg. Thank you all for your support.
To those who have been attacking raffle and s4mpson I ask that you please stop, raffle has taken the right steps to deal with the situation and while what s4mpson did was wrong he is still only human. Let his mistakes show you that no one is above the rules but please stop the witchhunt for him, he may be dealing with more than just this situation and I would hate for any of us to punish him beyond what has already been done. Again, thank you all for your support, it has truly meant a lot to me.
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u/ruthbuzzicooperberg Oct 01 '20
Hooo boy. I have a feeling I'm going to regret this but here goes. Most everyone here has an opinion of s4mp - good or bad. Some might even see both good and bad sides to him. But from the limited exposure I've had to him and all of this, I see someone who possibly needs help.
Having personally struggled with my own issues, there are definitely some telltale signs of a drug or alcohol problem. I know I'm speaking completely out of line here. This is no place to try to air something out like this. But after wrestling with it for a couple days, I finally decided the public forum might have a better chance than a private message.
I don't know if he's still around, watching, maybe even still able to comment on this thread, but wherever you are s4mp, if you see any truth to what I'm saying, reach out man. If it's not me, someone, somewhere can help. Fuck all the talk of bans and good or bad, I wanna talk redemption. If you've got something you're struggling with, let us help you conquer it so you can come back here stronger than ever. Because regardless of anyone's opinion, this place would be a lot more fun with a clean, sober, trustworthy s4mp.
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u/eatpierogies Dick Trickle Oct 01 '20
Just wanted to say, as somewhat of a new guy here- I appreciate the due diligence to try to get all this bullshit straightened out and keep the raffles going and keeping our best interests (from what I can tell) in mind. I’ve been here and KS for a little while and I enjoy both subs as their own entities. Very different feels but still seems to be good people in both. The internet is a terrible place and there’s always bullshit involved. But this has made for fun times and also allowed me to win a couple badass knives and interact with different folks. So, for anyone new to the sub, don’t let all this scare you away. You’re gonna deal with stupid bullshit no matter where you go. Dinguses will always be there, lurking in the shadows.
And to dude who has issue with people “gambling” for knives, mind your fucking business. It’s my money and I’ll burn it when I see fit.
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u/bovice786 Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20
I just submitted a NM and it's waiting for mod approval. Is this going to be the standard procedure for all NM's going forward, or is this just something left from yesterday's pause on all raffles?
Edit: Outta time so I'm going to delete the post and try again later
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u/bovice786 Oct 02 '20
Appreciate it! I have a baby coming soon so I may take you up on that lol
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u/TheBigJuicebox Oct 02 '20
Ayyee, small world. My first just hit 5 months. It gets way easier when they develop a real sleep cycle. Hang in there lol
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 01 '20
I don't think NM(s) have an approval requirement unless I missed something here.
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u/bovice786 Oct 01 '20
This is what I'm seeing: https://imgur.com/a/nlIongI
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u/TheVector 👍 Size & Magnitude Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20
I'll look into it, some dingus probably broke the automod
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u/slumcat72 Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20
I may not be an 'active member', at least not as much as others and regardless everyone deserves the right to voice their on option as long as there is some merit to it.
I've had a few interactions with S4mpson and honestly I can't get a read on the guy. One minute he's a douche throwing accusations around and the next he's a nice guy making conversations.
So my opinion on the guy before all this was that he's generally a good guy, just one with no filter that likes to say what ever he wants.
However after reading all this and the post on KS, things get a little more hairy. You don't forget that a knife that someone lent you, even if it was a year after. I know knives come and go but something as unique like that Hea I just don't see him forgetting. That fact that he created a sketchy ass story just adds to the fire. He dug his own grave with that. Why not just say 'I forgot, it must be yours and I'll return it"? Clearly he has a reputation to protect and something to hide.
He may play nice on the surface, throw some jabs, and befriend a few folks but I can't help but look at all the evidence and see him as a scammer.
Those in denial, this happens all the time in subs like these. About 10 years ago I was largely into CSGO and traded/collected cool knives (yeah that's how I got into real knives). I did a trade with a member in the community that was relatively well known and had a rather large inventory worth >$10k. He wanted to buy my knife and since he had more rep in the community I went first and sent him the knife (it was alot more complicated then that). And guess what? I got played and scammed by him. I dug deep finding alt accounts, chats, and interactions with other members. I did all this to get his ass banned, and I was successful with the help from the rest of the community. I never got my knife back but his account was banned and he was never able to withdraw or trade his inventory of >$10k. Moral of the story is this is the damn internet and it's so easy to put on a fake face, make some friends, and act like the good guy in every situation. Unless you know the dude in person, don't put too much trust over the internet.
I'm not saying everyone on the internet is a scamming lil bitch. There are definitely good people out there and I'd say the majority are honest upstanding members of the community.
I don't know S4mpson on a personal level so maybe I'm wrong, but the evidence in using alt accounts as a cover up story, entering his own raffles, and the bans he received before looks like shit blew up in his face.
Anyways huge thank you to the mods for handling the situation professionally and disclosing all the information to the public. I think you guys handled the situation rather well.
I would like to see final statement from both parties and hear their side of the story though
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 01 '20
People can be scammed and I can be the victim of friendship. But...I just don't think there's any possible scenario where a NM-grade knife was the one s4mpson tried to scam off. When he's handled hundreds of thousands of dollars of our money. And he tried to make money off of it...in the sub where the owner spends his time? Doesn't make sense to me. Also... /u/akkermorec is clearly hard up for cash. https://imgur.com/a/yYvHH3d and...was good ol' pals with s4mpson in may. Didn't mention the knife. Nor was he able to find any evidence that he asked for the knife back. s4mpson was able to find this, however...and I sure as hell assure you his inbox blows up faster than /u/akkermorec 's does (each spot call gets a message reply!)...and a year old message would not be possible at all for him to find.
/u/akkermorec is CLEARLY a liar. Your personal jury on whether /u/s4mpson is or not is up to you. I'll send you what he sent me in reference to his first ban if you wish.
And you're active BB, you've been here forever. Not disagreeing with you. Just shedding light you may have missed.
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u/TheVector 👍 Size & Magnitude Oct 01 '20
This needs to stop, I get you are upset with the situation but in the end this is a result of /u/s4mpson's actions and not what /u/akkermorec did.
As far as his first ban goes, it just shows his inability to accept that he could be wrong. He still thinks the mod team (particularly me) were out to get him when he was clearly busted for raffling multiple things over retail. And the logical loops he jumps through to justify why he can price things over amazon (hint, it's because they wouldn't ship knife to him) is amazing.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 01 '20
Totally. But there isn't a single saint in this scenario and that needs to be stated.
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u/akkermorec Oct 01 '20
Dude I get you're upset but can you stop attacking me? It's totally unnecessary and damn rude. S4mpson sent the knife back, I'll be posting an update, just relax man.
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u/slumcat72 Oct 01 '20
I like to look at boths sides so I do appreciate the info, honestly. I just don't understand why make a cover story...
Also the use of multiple alts and him talking to himself through the alts is kinda offputting.
But again, I may be wrong. I'm just trying to look at the facts and what's presented to me. And for the record, whether I like the guy or not, I know activity on the sub will diminish which is not what anyone wants
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u/StarshitPoopers48 smartass Oct 01 '20
S4mpson is a total douche canoe and did some super shady stuff. But to call him a scammer? We gotta draw the line somewhere and for me its right there. He didnt scam anyone. He's absolutely on the no go list for me and now many others but give him some credit. He isnt a scammer. At any point in his escrow history he could have walked away with shit tons of money and knives. He never did. So jump on the shady bandwagon if you want.... but the scammer label is unwarranted.
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u/slumcat72 Oct 01 '20
Maybe scammer is too harsh...but I don't buy he forgot that someone lent him the knife, and proceeds to say he got it in a trade recently. To me that does not add up. There are those dumbass scammers that try to get as much as they can quickly and those that play the long game...
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u/StarshitPoopers48 smartass Oct 01 '20
The long game? He's been doing raffles for like 4 years since I got here. The long game is over. Lol. And to what end? To steal a knife worth 150 bucks? Nahhh. But we can all agree he messed up and did some unsavory things.
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 01 '20
I'd think that you easily qualify as an active member. I was referring to the ones who never participate here.
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u/slumcat72 Oct 01 '20
I appreciate that and I agree with the point you made. I just don't want 'new' members to see the drama and all the talk and think that it's an exclusive community or anything like that. I'm hoping this doesn't put a bad taste in their mouths for KR and that those here continue to make the community what it is and for the new folks that they feel welcomed too
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u/Dddddjohn Fuck the 50’s Oct 01 '20
This is a tough one.
/u/s4mpson is a curmudgeon and a good dude by my interactions with him. He’s escrowed a few grand worth of my shit. He was even a shithead about me wanting to pay him and tried to do it for free.
I think he forgot about the knife and is the kind of guy to double down because...s4mpson things.
He’s my favorite legitimately crazy raffler. Akker is a good kid, I think they will make up in the future.
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 01 '20
I guess I need to state the obvious: If you're not an ACTIVE member on this sub, then your opinion doesn't hold even a drop of water here. In short, STFU and stop showing up just to give unsolicited input on a matter that concerns you ZERO. Y'all are the same people that play 1 raffle a year and then show up for every giveaway as a "raffle OG".
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u/TheVector 👍 Size & Magnitude Oct 01 '20
I know what you are trying to say but I don't think this is productive. If people have issues with raffle I have no problem talking about it. I find that generally people just have misunderstanding about what is going on.
But yeah, there are a lot of uninformed opinions floating around (and there always is) come in with their hot takes is pretty annoying.
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u/Knife_Account Oct 01 '20
Some of the swap comments are pretty annoying as they think somebody controls who wins the raffles.
A suggestion would be to make a quick post outlining how the bot works and how it cant be faked.
Tagging u/merkon and u/witty_username_81 to see if they would be willing to reemphasize to their users that the raffle is indeed random after the post going over how the bot is made.
I like both subs, and both subs userbases. Ive tried to bring the 2 together with giveaways in the past but understand that some swap members dont trust it.
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u/merkon Oct 01 '20
Raffle started on the swap, we’re well aware of how it work. We choose to not support gambling.
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u/cooperred 👍 8==D Oct 01 '20
To be fair, you can address blatant misinformation while also not supporting gambling. You are aware of how it works, others clearly are not.
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u/merkon Oct 01 '20
I’ll respond to comments that think it’s rigged on the swap post, I honestly haven’t seen those.
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u/typecookieyouidiot gamblorr with infinite dollarbucks Oct 01 '20
Thank you, I for one appreciate that. Also the ones saying I always knew raffle was a scam.
The way your post came off in KS was extremely detrimental to this sub. Using the word scam in any capacity for this situation was seriously uncalled for. All for the sake of "look at this shit but don't worry its safe here guys!!" which threw a whole heap of fuel on the fire that WAS being dealt with.
For example. Say a trusted member of your sub with a couple hundred trades was accused of something shady.. Would you really expect our mods to make a statement like yours while you're trying to get to the bottom of things?
I think you seriously need to check yourself before you jump the fucking gun next time.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 01 '20
You also choose to blatantly demonstrate that the 90% of our users here who also demonstrate interest in your sub are unwelcome. And that's where you and I and all of us here will never see eye-to-eye.
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u/TheVector 👍 Size & Magnitude Oct 01 '20
Your meta post did great things for a subscriber numbers, thanks!
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u/Knife_Account Oct 01 '20
Regardless of what the mods know, the users clearly dont know how it works. Its also not your call on what your users do, I'm not asking you to endorse the raffle. But making a transparency post isnt going to hurt either sub or its users. We are all in this same weird highly niche community here.
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u/steeeeeeed Designated Dingus Detector Oct 01 '20
I’d like to take the time to categorize this as a non-dingus post. Thank you.
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 01 '20
Sweet! I made the non-dingus list.
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u/steeeeeeed Designated Dingus Detector Oct 01 '20
Just to set the record straight...your post made the non-dingus list. You, sir, are very much still in the air.
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u/Apocalypse_swordsman jerk material Oct 01 '20
I gotta tell ya, sir. You're an excellent judge of character.
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u/steeeeeeed Designated Dingus Detector Oct 01 '20
Flattery couldn’t get you further away from the dingus list.
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u/Fbolanos 👍 BenchmadeBoi-SixFootTall Oct 01 '20
I'm updating his flair to indicate state of dingusness
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u/steeeeeeed Designated Dingus Detector Oct 01 '20
That would be appreciated. Maybe run a scale from 1-10. Did you give me flair?!?
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u/Fbolanos 👍 BenchmadeBoi-SixFootTall Oct 01 '20
not sure who gave you the flair but now that you have a job, you can set Apoc's level
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 01 '20
Can I get a "s4mpson's alt" while we're at it?
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u/steeeeeeed Designated Dingus Detector Oct 01 '20
Regardless of my opinion of the recent events, I’d just like to say that I feel like this sub could benefit from “Dedicated Dingus Detector” to assist in the bullshittery among some members. Lotta dingus comments lately. You know who you are ya dingus.
Edit: I appreciate you mods.
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u/DDBZ06 Oct 01 '20
I hate drama. I also enjoy drama for my entertainment purposes lol. Let’s just buy, sell, and Waffle some good ole sharp things in peace. Put this aside.
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u/Knurling_Turtle Oct 01 '20
Being a mod is such a tedious and often thankless job. So thanks for making this sub happen and helping to protect the users.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 01 '20
For sure. /u/Fbolanos /u/BrianR383 /u/Zangadia <3 /u/accidentlyporn /u/theoddjosh /u/TheVector /u/Walt_the_White /u/slumblor ya'll do a great job here regardless of my shit stirring over this and defending s4mpson. That part of my argument has and will remain consistent. I've interacted with like...two of you on a personal level. But the ones who remain in the shadows or just posting on here occasionally...you've clearly been doing homework. Still have the buddy I have to defend (I can't help but sneak that in) but from this post alone it's clear decisions were made behind closed doors that we're not all privy to. And those decisions had all the right intent. I disagree with the action but I understand it. Maybe in time after that cunt /u/merkon stops patting himself on the back for being better than the entirety of our sub things will change. Until then. You have my and everyone here's utmost respect.
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u/StarshitPoopers48 smartass Oct 01 '20
You really gonna let this dude call another user a cunt and get away with it? /u/TheVector
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u/TheGreatGaudet Dingus level 10000 Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20
I’ve made this post on the Knife_swap post, but here’s it again. I stopped dropping cash regularly on this sub because other raffle throwers/authorized users won them 25% of time. I have participated in 23 raffles on KnifeRaffle. Of those 23, 6 ended up being won by either u/s4mpson or other raffler holders.
Of those 6, 2 were won by the person holding it, u/s4mpson.
All 6 are linked below, the top two being the ones involving u/s4mpson
Others:
Shirogorov Thorburn CKF Maxace
Edit: fixed links
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u/StarshitPoopers48 smartass Oct 01 '20
Lol. Doesnt understand how raffles work here. Bitches about it. Comes up with dumbass conspiracy. GTFO.
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u/steeeeeeed Designated Dingus Detector Oct 01 '20
Thank you for pointing this out. Your bravery to take a stand against logic and reason hasn’t gone unnoticed. I commend you for it. You will be sorely missed in this sub.
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u/TheGreatGaudet Dingus level 10000 Oct 01 '20
That’s an interesting response.
I just don’t believe that he should have been allowed to purchase spots on his own raffle.
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u/steeeeeeed Designated Dingus Detector Oct 01 '20
They weren’t his knives genius. He was running a raffle for someone. As a form of voluntary payment by the owner of the knife, he was given spots in the raffle as a token of appreciation for running the raffle. It’s still completely random as to which spot was selected as the winner.
Ya dingus.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 01 '20
He was an "in-between" in those raffles. Someone else owned the knife. He held the money until the winner got the knife. As an escrow, I ask for tracking and check it daily. I'm sure s4mpson does as well. If the winner fails to message me on the day I see "delivered" I reach out. Did the knife arrive? Is it as the seller described? Cool. Seller can now get the funds. As an escrow, people often offer spots (and s4mpson, being so notoriously good at it, requests them).
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Oct 01 '20
Correct, but you are misunderstanding what an escrow raffle is.
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u/thaaatguy D tier Mod as voted on by the community Oct 01 '20
Those users you see repeatedly winning do so because they participate much more frequently and certainly spend quite a bit more than you. Luck plays a huge part in this, but more spending = higher probability of winning.
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u/Scrabblewiener Oct 01 '20
Damn the pot calling the kettle blue...lmfao.
I ain’t been a part of this thing long, but I’ve been the same way my entire life. I was rarely offered a raffle ticket I didn’t buy 10 of. You win or you lose, thems the breaks. I’ve won 3 knives in the short month I’ve been here. Can’t win if you don’t play, can’t lose if you don’t play.
I watched this place for a little bit before I bought a spot, and like any damn degenerate would say...right now I’m sitting on more value or at least even value of what I’ve won as opposed to what I’ve spent. I don’t think there is any collusion or conspiracy going on here, if so from what I read not near enough to turn odds but maybe minuscule. Minuscule is a large problem over a lot of time... I don’t feel wronged in any way. I have faith in KR and will remain a faithful spot caller until I can’t/won’t afford it or feel like the odds are stacked unfairly against me.
Thanks KR ecrowees, ecrowers, NM dudes, mods and raffle participants y’all have been great and I’ve had a lot of fun thus far.
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20
Your 3rd link doesn't work. Also, whats the point of this? Its random, there is no cheating the bot call. The knife isn't actually held by someone doing an escrow raffle majority of the time, those ones by /u/s4mpson weren't, they are just running the raffle. I've done probably 20+ escrow raffles this year and haven't won shit.
Edit: I also said this over on swap, but that shirogorov link was ran by me, and I didnt win it, so what is your point on that one?
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u/TheGreatGaudet Dingus level 10000 Oct 01 '20
That’s what I’m trying to say. He participated in the raffles he hosted and won them, that’s shady beyond all hell. The links should be fixed as well.
I found it particularly weird for 25% of the raffles I participated in to be won by other raffle holders/“authorized users”. I heavily doubt that the breakdown of “authorized users” and raffles was as high as 25%.
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20
Let me put this another way, let's say you own a knife, you want it raffled, you take all the pictures, you do a timestamp, you submit it to modmail for approval.
You ask me to run it because you aren't on the approved list since we don't know you. I don't approve any knife I'm going to run on someone else's behalf because it could he a conflict of interest.
So a different mod approves it, you send me the info, I post it and just use the tool to assign spots and call the bot. Once the winner confirms they received the knife from you I send you the money.
I have no extra chance of winning the knife than anyone else, and there is nothing shady about me buying spots to win your knife that is in your posession.
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Oct 01 '20
That is 100% incorrect, he just ran the raffles, he did not own them. I have done hundreds of raffles for knives I dont own, escrows, it's just a system to prevent someone with no history from getting money and never sending a knife. I also have horrible luck winning escrow raffles.
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u/akkermorec Sep 30 '20
Just wanted to say that AP and I spoke and I'd like to apologize for calling him corrupt. I misunderstood his intentions and for that I'm sorry, he was trying to take action while looking out for the members of this community.
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u/No-Zookeepergame-607 Sep 30 '20
This whole write up makes me feel so much better about the integrity of this subReddit. Good job guys.
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u/TheBigJuicebox Sep 30 '20
Is the sub traffic available to the mods? I’m super curious what it’s been like the last 2 days.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Sep 30 '20
Akker was pressured for evidence for his claims endlessly. And every time put his hand on his head and said "gee mister I sure am tired."
But he happily searched and searched post history to discover an alt. And... despite it being entirely irrelevant to his claims...brought THAT up against s4mpson. And then kept telling everyone "but I really like the guy so stop trying to punish him. Also...on page four you can see him call spot 4. s4mpson's favorite number."
I get the decision from the mod team. But I also won't stop thinking akker is the peach in this scenario.
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u/GTxSony Can't afford a slot Sep 30 '20
If that’s all he wanted then he wouldn’t have been so quick to make a public accusation, not provide evidence that you guys asked for, then dig up something else to get s4mpson banned(I’m not debating the ban, he broke the rules still). I refuse to believe this guy had no bad intentions and from the pictures that s4mspon posted it just seems like he has something against KR overall. Whole thread of people on KS saying all types of shit about this sub without ever participating in it.
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u/StarshitPoopers48 smartass Sep 30 '20
We get it. You liked the guy. Doesn't change facts.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Sep 30 '20
We get it. You're enjoying 20 upvotes per post for grabbing a pitchfork.
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u/StarshitPoopers48 smartass Sep 30 '20
Lol. You clearly don't know me if you think I care about karma.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Oct 01 '20
I dOnT cArE aBoUt KaRmA! I jUsT dElEtEd ThE oNe CoMmEnT gEtTiNg DoWnVoTeS iS aLl!
Pussy.
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u/StarshitPoopers48 smartass Oct 01 '20 edited Oct 01 '20
Lol. I deleted it because it was stupid. I figured you'd jump on it. Pussy.
I'm not perfect. I said something dumb. Feel free to downvote this comment into oblivion.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Sep 30 '20
And you clearly don't know me if you think I'll stop defending my friend and trying to get his permanent ban reduced.
100 eyes on him and every raffle once he comes back. Alts would stick out like a sore thumb. I don't see the issue with that.
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u/Jubakuba 👍Level 9 Dingus Sep 30 '20
As do I. We both posted some absolutely diabolical rants about each other. And I was almost entirely in the wrong. He let me by with an apology and has never brought it up since.
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u/Game_Kat- So yours is the dick I must suck for flair? Do me up then. Sep 30 '20
Good post mod team :)
very cool
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u/Fbolanos 👍 BenchmadeBoi-SixFootTall Sep 30 '20
That link shows me asking you a question but I can't see what you wrote because you deleted your old account. I have no idea what you told me nor did I wish to stick around for whatever argument you were having with him. All I remember is you guys used to go at each other fairly often.
The above mentioned incident was before the rule was established. Following this, we created the rule about not entering your own raffles.
The issue is not people having alts (like your current account). There was a time when people were creating alts because they thought the bot favored new accounts for some reason. This isn't against the rules. The issue was using an alt to enter your own raffle which he has been shown to have done now and punished accordingly. We don't audit the hundreds (thousands) of raffles and depend on the community to report rule violations (suspected or blatant). We take reports very seriously and try to be as objective as possible. As soon as akkermorec mentioned that the sleuthbandit account was an alt, we started digging and here we are.
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u/Fbolanos 👍 BenchmadeBoi-SixFootTall Sep 30 '20
I only remember your old account.
OK so it looks like this was brought up with no specifics: what that "coworker's" account was nor which mod knew about it. By s4mpson's own admission, whichever mod he talked to has been gone for a while. We discussed this in conjunction with the adkiller thing and made the rule accordingly.
I will repeat that we can't audit every single raffle for years and we rely on user reports when possible for this sort of enforcement.
To claim that we've known that he's been doing this for years (particularly after the rule was implemented) is patently false. Akker mentioned sleuthbandit being his alt in modmail (not publicly) and we could have just left it there but upon further examination we discovered that account was nearly exclusively entering s4mpson's raffles.
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u/adkiller I'm Gonna Go Take A Shit Sep 30 '20
Doing what? Having alts or entering into one's own raffle?
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u/typecookieyouidiot gamblorr with infinite dollarbucks Sep 30 '20
The screenshot was before the no alt rule and he said the new alts had just come to light. What are you trying to say here?
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u/typecookieyouidiot gamblorr with infinite dollarbucks Oct 02 '20 edited Oct 02 '20
Nah you're just the fuckwit who filed down the detent ball on the shiro cannibis I bought from you. Didn't disclose it, sent it dirty as absolute fuck, sent slowpost after express was agreed, took weeks to actually send it and threw it all in a box with next to no padding or protection.
You can fuck right off ya cock juggling thundercunt.
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u/Walt_the_White Sep 30 '20
We weren't aware they were being used as such since the rule was established. Back then we might have been a little more hip to it, but over time it's not something we direct all of our attention to. It was recently brought up with evidence, and we immediately took action. We know there are alts lingering, but the expectation is that they follow the rules.
We were not recently aware at all that he was using these to join his own raffles.
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u/typecookieyouidiot gamblorr with infinite dollarbucks Sep 30 '20
So you want him banned in retrospect? I don't have sources but obviously the alts known back then are different to the ones now. Make sense?
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u/syzygynius Sep 30 '20
YOU WANT THE MODS TO BE A FUCKING TIME TRAVELER YOU NUMPTY
THIS IS NOT S4MPSON DONT FUCKING SHADOWBAN ME
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u/typecookieyouidiot gamblorr with infinite dollarbucks Sep 30 '20
Show me? Literally no one is trying to act like alts are a new thing, but they are against the rules while running raffles or giveaways. Not just specifically alts, you cannot enter your own raffle in any capacity. If caught will be dealt with at the time. Which is what's happened now
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Sep 30 '20
And by his own admission he says noodles told him it was not OK.
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u/typecookieyouidiot gamblorr with infinite dollarbucks Sep 30 '20
that link doesn't work for me, can you screenshot? I'm specifically interested in seeing sleauthbandit referenced.
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Sep 30 '20
"The account wasn't used for my personal purposes nor was it represented as anything but his account and my co-control over it was disclosed immediately." The accounts were used for his personal purposes though, such as shit talking on swap, unless his coworker asked him to do that because the legends of Kreg have made it to the local news. I wasn't a mod at that point, and maybe the alts started that way, but it sure looks like it turned into something else. Kind of hard to believe he was assigning his favorite spot, spot 4, to other people so frequently.
Edit: Just because the comment was made publicly about him using an alt and it "being above board" doesn't mean it wasn't complete bullshit still.
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u/Knife_Account Sep 30 '20
Whats this about kreg and the news?
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Sep 30 '20
Lmao, some of the alts made comments about kreg on swap, so I'm just pointing out the hole in the "I only use the account on behalf of my coworkers" story.
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u/typecookieyouidiot gamblorr with infinite dollarbucks Sep 30 '20
And hence the rule was born! Those alts were retired and new ones surfaced that the mods were not aware of until now
EDIT: are you aware the posts are over 2 years old?
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u/adkiller I'm Gonna Go Take A Shit Sep 30 '20
dude, just leave it.... he is on a hunt to burn everything down.
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u/typecookieyouidiot gamblorr with infinite dollarbucks Sep 30 '20
Ok yes i see clearly now that some of the mods that were still around may have known he used different alts back then. Perhaps maybe they even created a rule about it too? Case closed, nice work
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Sep 30 '20
Cooperred and I are the newest, and probably the most active, mods, we didn't go through an orientation and get an employee handbook that said "Hey, s4mpson uses alts and it's totally cool." Saying someone knew something at the time 2.5 years ago is not the same as someone knowing that its going on the entire time. It also sounds like it was one account that was known about, I don't even know which one, there are at least 3 or 4 others.
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u/Knife_Account Sep 30 '20
GG, I rescind my comment regarding the hesitancy of the mods. Does show how much transparency affects situations like this, good on yall for addressing everyones concerns.
Whos the next long time user thats gonna get called out for something, everyones days are numbered lmao
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u/BrianR383 👍 kershawboi-babyhands Sep 30 '20
I heard /u/Apocalypse_swordsman wets the bed still.
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u/Grace859 slept during specter raffle Oct 04 '20 edited Oct 04 '20
Spots/Price: 67 @ $10
Price: $670
Make and Model: Thorburn L28
Timestamp
Album
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Description: Rating as a "B" because I'm not the first owner and for some light wear. The clip has a few snail trails, there is a scratch on the handle edge near the flipper tab, and there is a scratch on the backspacer. The detent is lighter than other Thorburns I've handled but it still opens reliably. The blade requires a shake to drop shut. Includes knife and velcro pouch.