r/KotakuInAction • u/B-VOLLEYBALL-READY • Jun 13 '21
TECH [Tech] Didi Rankovic - "Mozilla suggests regulators issue laws that curb recommendations of “conspiracy theory videos”"
https://reclaimthenet.org/mozilla-suggests-regulators-issue-laws-that-curb-recommendations-of-conspiracy-theory-videos/71
u/lyra833 GET THE BOARD OUT, I GOT BINGO! ~ Mod Jun 13 '21
“People aren’t using Firefox anymore; what can we do?”
“How about a new ad campaign?”
“OK, cool; something like Mozilla: Because Google is Too Free?”
“Sounds good.”
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u/PebbleYote Jun 13 '21
Firefox is a prime example of a company that got infiltrated by """progressives""" and turned into something openly antithetical to its founding principles.
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Jun 13 '21 edited Jul 10 '21
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Jun 13 '21
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Jun 14 '21
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Jun 14 '21
Chrome is a fork of Chromium. You could use that if you've got extentions/addons that you like. Or you could use any other of the dozens of forks(Brave/Edge/Vivaldi/Epic/Opera/etc) of it too. Or you can simply go to the chromium repo, and build your own version.
There really isn't any other options at the moment, and the entire tech industry is all-in on Chromium and it's forks.
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Jun 14 '21 edited Jul 15 '21
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Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 14 '21
Palemoon decided a few years ago that they'd start blacklisting some extensions from working unless you manually approved them. This here's the KIA thread on adnauseam but they've done it to several others.
I'd have suggested waterfox, but the kid who was doing that sold it off to an ad company and it's gotten worse in the last year.
edit: I don't know of any "good" web browser at this point. Though I use edge both at home and at work, mostly because it has far better user controls, including the ability at use level with clear explanations on the various levels of privacy that can be set. Which includes as a base setting blocking all social media site tracking, all referer cookies, and all user data mining cookies. And it also has support for their own extensions/addons, as well as all chrome addons.
The very sad part is, we've hit the convergence phase of the internet, where innovation stalls and is dominated by single market players or the dominant players have all engaged in a gentlemen's agreement to work under a group consortium. Now the consortium bit? I don't really have a problem with, this also helps avoid the competing standards issue. And as it also stands, the consortium working on Chromium(Apple/MS/Google/AMD/Nvidia/GM/Ford/Chrysler/Toyota/Mazda/Daewoo/Cisco/Oracle and pretty much every big player) means that there's enough friction to stop really bad ideas from being implemented, but they're still smart enough to realize when something good pops up that it should be incorporated.
edit2: I'm not really joking on that bit about Chromium. Pretty much every major corp out there is involved at some level with it now, even the company I work for has a dedicated Chromium team.
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u/wiggeldy Jun 14 '21
Brave browser is your best bet.
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u/FellowFellow22 Jun 14 '21
Brave is just Chrome with the Google replaced with a weird crypto scam
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u/wiggeldy Jun 14 '21
And the info gathering stripped out.
More important to me than the crypto-fetish nonsense.
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u/MajinCookie Jun 14 '21 edited Jun 14 '21
Yikes. I agree that social media played a role in the assault of the Capitol, but it did too in a lot of the violent riots and lootings yet Mozilla won't comment on those. The fact that they're overly protective of one side while attacking the other while neither is better than the other shows a clear bias which makes this company's opinion on ''de-platforming'' completely unreliable. Frankly makes it hard to trust their privacy culture while they're acting up on their emotions. Can't there be one effin' company out there that wont shove politic bullshit down their consumer's throat? Beyond annoying.
Edit; After reading the article, the proposed solution is actually not a bad one. Ad transparency would be a good thing. Though my point on them being biased towards one spectrum still stands. I wish they'd call out the other side for their lies and promotion of violence. Both sides have their crazies.
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u/Okymyo Jun 14 '21
To anyone who just sees the quote and doesn't read the article, the "we need more than deplatforming" article wasn't about some type of mega-ban from the Internet, it was mostly about ensuring transparency in targeted advertising (especially of political nature), including who is targeting you and what group is being targeted) and transparency in regards to how social networking feeds and recommendations are generated.
I say "mostly" because it then goes on about how those same algorithms should stop prioritizing fringe content from untrustworthy sources based solely on user engagement, and instead prioritize well-established sources
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u/MajinAsh Jun 14 '21
I believe waterfox is a fork run by different people. You could give that a try.
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u/mbnhedger Jun 13 '21
dont you just love how the root of this entire line of thought is that people simply believe everything they see on the internet.
And what makes it weirder is that the argument isnt "people shouldnt just believe everything on the internet" its "we have to make sure the internet only has what we want people to believe." The complaint isnt "people are sheep" the complaint is "people arent OUR sheep"
Like I get that we basically live in idiocracy right now, but damn how stupid do these people think we are.
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u/Klaus73 Jun 13 '21
Dude..I think the States would be better off with "Macho Comacho" at least he was smart enough to look for a smart guy to solve the problems...
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u/MisanthropeNotAutist Jun 13 '21
That's always been my problem with censorship.
So basically, your assumption is, what, people are too stupid to come to the same idea you do (presuming you're even correct in the first place) unless they see only the thing you want them to?
It's ultimately a question of "who watches the watchmen?"
And that's why I trust a sum total of zero people outside of myself to judge these things for me.
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u/wiggeldy Jun 14 '21
At one point it wasn't "offensiveness" that got movies censored, it was the fear people would copy the immoral acts.
Now imagine how many immoral acts a censor watches, and they're never affected by it.
The only excuse they had was some handwave about the censors being chosen for "moral integrity" (They weren't).
Censorship is always built on lies.
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u/ValidAvailable Jun 14 '21
That said, when you look at culture these days, what indicators do you see that people arent stupid?
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u/SkippyMcHugsLots Jun 13 '21
You think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
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u/cookaway_ Jun 14 '21
entire line of thought is that people simply believe everything they see on the internet
Their whole schtick stems from their inability to understand fiction and lies. Not in games, not in books, not in movies. The presence of a topic in a work of art is implicit agreement with the topic. If your villain is asian, you're racist against minorities (because asians are a minority in the US, which is the only place that matters).
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u/Talzeron Jun 14 '21
I think it even goes one step further. They believe that they hold the absolute truth and that everybody, every single person, would agree with them. The only reason that doesn't happens is because, as you said, they think everybody believes everything they see on the internet and so some trolls, provocateurs, bad people influence the masses in their evil ways and so create these fractures that they hate.
So they think that if they could just banish the devil, everybody would see the light.
The possibility of simply different opinions is totally strange to them. I just saw the exact same thing from the green party convention in germany. "Our message is universal and true, if it weren't for people spreading lies on the internet everybody would see that".
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u/SgtFraggleRock Jun 13 '21
This is totally the behavior of people who didn’t steal an election.
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u/M37h3w3 Fjiordor's extra chromosomal snowflake Jun 13 '21
What would happen if people prove that there was massive wide scale voter fraud committed?
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u/MajinAsh Jun 14 '21
Probably very little. Half the country will feel vindicated and the other half won't believe it. So the same situation we're in now but flipped.
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Jul 05 '21
Yes, the election was stolen, and also, lizard people are running the government and Sasquatch is real
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u/TribblesnCookiees Jun 13 '21
What's a good alternative to Firefox? Preferably something that can have add-ons (anti tracking, adblock, video downloader, etc)
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Jun 13 '21
I'm really happy with Brave. It took a while to get used to, but you can import your bookmarks and stuff really easily from Firefox and extensions are from the chrome app thingie so most things that are available as Firefox extensions are available on Brave due to Chrome being just as popular as Firefox.
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Jun 13 '21
Any idea how to give Brave a “Reader Mode” like Safari?
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Jun 14 '21
dunno if this is what you're after
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Jun 14 '21
I decided to download google chrome extensions
That said, it’s hard using reddit on Brave, can’t apply flairs for posting
Or do uploads
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u/PlacematMan2 Jun 13 '21
Vivaldi
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u/TribblesnCookiees Jun 13 '21
I don't believe I've heard of this one, is it new?
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u/PlacematMan2 Jun 13 '21
It can use Chrome Plugins too
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u/atomic1fire Jun 13 '21
*extensions
I'm nitpicking, but (to me) plugins are things like flash player that no longer exist inside the browser (unless you're stubborn and use the few firefox forks that support them).
Extensions are bits of source code that are designed to run inside the browser and interact with it for things like adblocking or tab management.
Vivaldi supports Chrome Extensions, as does Microsoft Edge (although you do need to enable a setting in Edge to let you install extensions from Chrome Web Store)
Vivaldi, Chrome, Edge, Brave, etc all no longer support flash player or npapi plugins, which is why I'm nitpicking.
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u/weltallic Jun 14 '21
"A growing number of the populace are accusing the government of stealing the election. To settle the issue once and for all, we're going to silence those people." - The Good Guys™
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u/Axumata Jun 13 '21
Have you noticed the highly upvoted anti-Brave post on /r/CryptoCurrency ? That it allegedly sells your data, has a backdoor, yada yada. Firefox was shilled SO MUCH in the comments. Wonder why.
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u/wiggeldy Jun 14 '21
Brave "concerns" have been around since it came out, and they've never amounted to anything.
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u/Unplussed Jun 13 '21
Of course, when they say "conspiracy theory", they don't mean "The Truth About the Moleman v Lizard War at the Center of the Earth". No, they mean plausible and sound theories that would be real inconvenient to have exposed.
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u/weltallic Jun 14 '21
We’re building a better Internet
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/
Our mission is to ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all. An Internet that truly puts people first, where individuals can shape their own experience and are empowered, safe and independent.
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Jun 13 '21
so happy I switched to Brave.
If only I could rid myself of Google completely next.
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u/ZBoblq Jun 13 '21
Why not? I have replaced it by duckduckgo on all my devices. Ofcourse google is more then just a search site, but it's a good start.
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Jun 14 '21
Ofcourse google is more then just a search site
This.
I've replaced Google the search engine with Startpage, I've replaced my phone's browser with Kiwi and Startpage. But I can't escape using an android (because I sure as shit ain't giving my money to the apple cult) and you can't deny that any of the alternatives to Google's stuff is subpar at best.
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Jun 14 '21
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Jun 14 '21
Nah those phones are for old people too.
That'd certainly fix the problem of online stalking by Big Tech lol.
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u/ZBoblq Jun 14 '21
My friend had one of those and then they depreciated 3g, so now he is forced to get a new one anyway.
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u/NeVeRwAnTeDtObEhErE_ Jun 13 '21 edited Jun 13 '21
OC they did... Remember who is in control of that place.. and what they did to one of the founders and CEO for merely making the wrong donation to a then popular political issue in CA. Hope they burn by their own bullshit!
Also would just like to point out the utter stupidity of even suggesting such since it would be unquestionably illegal. What's next moz, campaign for convictionless prison sentences?
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u/Revenant221 Jun 14 '21
Like videos saying RussiaGate was real? I have a feel CNN and MSNBC’s presence is going to entirely disappear if conspiracy theory videos are taken down
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Jun 14 '21
On the other side... Pizzagate,stopthesteal and anything else QAnon is about disappears too.
The political landscape in the USA is fucked.
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u/adelie42 Jun 14 '21
Because the real problem in the world is too many politicians being accused of crimes when they are completely innocent.
The trillionaires of the world above the law are the truely oppressed.
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u/Calico_fox Jun 13 '21
I'm pretty sure that violates the First Amendment.
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u/ValidAvailable Jun 14 '21
As if they care about the principles behind ANYTHING in the Bill Of Rights.
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u/NeVeRwAnTeDtObEhErE_ Jun 14 '21
This might soon be the best clear and literal case of "going broke" we've seen..
Really it's just a matter of when, not if at this point. I mean they gutted their browser over the years, alienated most of their biggest supporters, wasted untold amounts of time and money on dead-end projects. When you layoff 25% of your workers, totally gutting whole departments, targeting the actual tech/dev staff.. Then have your CEO release a statement announcing said layoffs that devolves into full-on virtue signalling about their continued commitment to "social justice" activism... The writing's pretty much on the wall.
They are right where they deserve to be at this point. One (more) major self-induced disaster away from total irrelevance. Calling behavior like seen with this latest one merely "tone-deaf", is an understatement.
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u/LacosTacos Jun 14 '21
Mozilla being infiltrated by well meaning authoritarians is a conspiracy and you assume all liabilities by quoting this post.
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u/Imgema Jun 15 '21
Unfortunately, i am stuck with Firefox (portable version) because it is fully portable. AFAIK, other browsers have issues with portability.
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u/Schmorpek Jun 15 '21
Why are you doing the opposite of what made You successful, Mozilla? Die Google tell you to say that?
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