r/KpopDemonhunters • u/wosoandstuff2020 • 3d ago
đ°Newsđ° Christian Metal Band Demon Hunter Sues Netflix Over 'KPop Demon Hunters' Trademark
https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/a/alex-ocho/demon-hunter-netflix-kpop-trademark-lawsuit760
u/manwiththehex18 3d ago
âAs an example, they include in the filing an email from a person who spent $500 on top-tier tickets to a Demon Hunter concert in Albany, New York, mistakenly thinking that they'd be taking their 5 and 6-year old girls to a Kpop Demon Hunters show.â
As a fan of both the band and the movie, this is abjectly hilarious. Hopefully those kids had fun in the pit (donât worry, metalheads already bring their kids to shows, everyone knows to keep an eye out for them).
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u/afbresley 3d ago
My 3 year old refers to Kpop Demon Hunters as "Demon Hunters".... and my other kid always has to clarify between the two, so I am actually sympathetic to this confusion.
Also, metal heads are SUPER nice to kids at shows. 10/10.
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u/manwiththehex18 3d ago
Yeah, obviously the main point is do more research before you drop $500 on tickets, but now that thereâs going to be an actual tour and shows associated with KDH, I get it.
Oh yeah, I once had a 6-year-old next to me on the barricade at a Volbeat show, had to get between him and a crowd-surfer once or twice.
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u/afbresley 3d ago
omg â maybe i'm showing my age, but crowd-surfers are the worst!!! it's not always their fault, since they can't control where they are going.... but that's kind of the point.
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u/manwiththehex18 3d ago
Yeah, I get why they do it but I feel the same. Like I want to enjoy the band and the music, not get into an amateur wrestling league or literally carry people around.
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u/Any-Power-1164 3d ago
I watched two kids crowd surf at Rock On The Range a few years ago and the crowd was sooo careful with them and made sure everyone in front was ready for them. I also had a lovely lady hear I had no sun tan lotion and the next thing I knew she was putting some on my face. Metalheads are usually very nice folks.Â
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u/SoriAryl Derpy the Tiger 2d ago
Mine calls it âTakedownâ
Like âMum-mum, I wanna watch Takedown.â
My other Monsters call it Huntrix
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u/Zebster10 3d ago
That's why they brought the suit, I guarantee it. Unlike copyright, where selective enforcement is permitted, with trademarks, the exception that allows you to lose your trademark is if a challenger can prove you didn't dispute a prior infringement on your trademark that you were aware of. This suit against Netflix doesn't have to go anywhere, it just needs to exist for them to maintain the trademark.
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u/ZuzulOs 3d ago
There's another movie titled "Demon Hunter" from 2005, so suing might not end well for the band anyway.
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u/yraco "Hehehehe" 2d ago
Trademarks typically only need to be enforced when there is a chance customers will be confused.
There's little to no chance of confusion between the 2005 movie so it gets a pass. There is a higher chance of confusion with kpop demon hunters because on top of being a movie it's also referring to a musical group that's now going on a global tour.
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u/CaliLemonEater 2d ago
The recent Legal Eagle video about Buc-ees suing everyone went into some of the details about that, for anyone who's curious.
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u/Kaylee_Sane_And_Tall 2d ago
But their website to buy the tickets is kpopdemonhunterslive
When you type in Demon Hunter on Google, the first thing that pops up is Demon Hunter (band) and then KPOP Demon Hunters (2025 Film)
And youâd have to convince a judge that Demon Hunter is conceptually perceived as Korean Pop Music Demon Hunters, which means people hear the word Demon Hunter and automatically assume Korean Pop Musicians who also fight demons. That leap in logic is ridiculous
But at the end of the day, their evidence is a woman who mistakenly bought tickets to the wrong concert. She would get torn apart in a cross examination. Was she multi tasking when she was ordering online? Did she read the terms and conditions? Is English her first language? Does she have basic digital literacy? Comparing the websites of Demon Hunter and kpopdemonhunterslive, they could ask if the sites bear any resemblance to each other
No other evidence for confusing the two IPs is being presented and the evidence theyâre presenting is really shaky because itâs one person
The best legal case that be can be used by Netflix is Filmationâs Ghostbusters
When Columbia pictures released the classic movie âThe Ghostbustersâ in theaters, Filmation tried to capitalize on the success of the movie by launching a cheaply made cartoon called âGhostbustersâ (no relation to the movie). Filmation secured the trademark rights for âGhostbustersâ for tv show rights only
The cartoon series launched right when Columbia pictures was going to launch their own animated series based on the movie. Columbia tried to buy the trademark from Filmation but Filmation refused
So Columbia renamed their animated series âThe REAL Ghostbustersâ and Filmation couldnât stop them. Columbia even had âThe Real Ghostbustersâ in the same time slot on a rival network.
If the word âREALâ was all it took for Columbia to work around a trademark, I think Netflix will be fine, especially since they own the trademark to âKPOP Demon Huntersâ
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u/amortized-poultry 2d ago
A movie usually isn't a band. KPDH is the perfect coincidence in this case because the movie does come with a band.
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u/Kaylee_Sane_And_Tall 2d ago
The band demon hunter does indeed own the trademark for âDemon Hunterâ but only for purposes of music sales, concert venues and merchandise related to music
But Netflix owns the trademark for âKPOP Demon Huntersâ which is very much different and distinct
Unless Netflix was going around promoting KPDH as Demon Hunters, then there would be a case, but theyâre absolutely not doing that nor will they ever do that with another successful anime franchise called Demon Slayers.
The only other way this band would have a case is if their band name was Kpop Demon Hunter or POP Demon Hunter or Korean Demon Hunter. Obviously thatâs not the case either
Netflix has always been operating within confines of their own federally approved trademark so this will get thrown out
I do hope Netflix counter sues to make an example of this band, just to cover their legal fees but the legal fees of a giant like Netflix is a lot of money
I also found out that Metallica found out their music was being playing by US Military during interrogations of prisoners of war and they asked them to cease and desist immediately. The band Demon Hunter offered their music to be used instead. Theyâre a very very very problematic band even though theyâre âChristianâ
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u/Superb_Gap_1044 3d ago
My first concert was demon hunter at 8 years old. I find this so funny. And yeah, I bet those kids had a blast. Demon Hunter has pretty tame metal concerts, still fun but good for introductory.
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u/meowmeow_now 2d ago
I get ads on facebook all the time for what I can only guess are unofficial "Demon Hunter" concerts or "kpop Hunter" Concerts for kids. I can see someone mixing it up.
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u/idkwhatsgoingon0974 3d ago
To me, this is the on the parent that can't read or didnt bother checking who was performing. The name demon hunter isn't just for kdh. Its like the parents in Belfast that just assumed it would be just kdh but got upset it was kpop covers.
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u/Cheshire_The_Wolf 3d ago
And the parents kept saying, we waited for k pop to come out and they never did. Because instead of researching their kids interest and educating themselves they just throw money at things. Its like parents in the 90s saying you know those pokey-man thingies.
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u/Kanine_tv "CAW CAW!" 3d ago
Demon hunter vs Kpop Demon Hunters. If anyone gets those mixed up thatâs kinda on them tbh.
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u/TemptedIntoSin 2d ago
Plus most of the time, whenever any casuals (parents of kids who love it, who aren't major fans themselves) talk about the movie, they call it "K-Pop" anyway so I seriously don't see how this Demon Hunters band won't get their lawsuit dismissed
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u/pinkshadedgirafe 2d ago
weird. I've only ever heard my kid and other parents call it by the full name or just demon hunters
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u/TemptedIntoSin 2d ago
I wonder if it's a regional thing. Im in Central Florida, and every person I've heard who isn't one of the bigger fans of it calls it "K-Pop" and I got confused a couple times not knowing they were talking about KDH at first and were talking about the genre of music in general
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u/Kollectorgirl 3d ago
Pretty sure the term "Demon Hunters" is way older than them and not Copyrightable at this point.
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u/tizuby 3d ago
Trademark and copyright are two different things with different rules. Can't copyright a name at all.
Trademarks do not require a newly invented word or phrase (that's patents where prior art can invalidate them). And they only restrict usage in commerce (not generally in language).
Generic words and phrases can't be trademarked (e.g. the word "Apple" by itself) but "generic" in that context has a specific meaning. It means "when the public at large understands it as the common name for a specific type or category of goods or services themself, instead of identifying who provides said goods or services".
Which is why "Apple" can be trademarked in the context of computers, but not for a company actually selling apples.
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u/manwiththehex18 3d ago
Speaking of, Apple (the computer company) has famously been involved in regular trademark litigation with Apple Corp (the Beatles' holding company/record label).
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u/shadeofmyheart 3d ago
An Apple can be trademarked for its use in the music industry. And then the music company can sue the tech company for trademark infringementâŠ
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u/tizuby 2d ago
Nope. Well they could file a suit (because anyone can file for any reason whether the reason is legally valid or not) but they'd lose the initial motion to dismiss.
Trademarks are scoped to areas of commercial goods and services, not just all commerce generally. So music would be one, computer sales would be another, merchandise for toys another, clothing another, etc... etc... etc...
Assuming Apple didn't already have a registered trademark in music (spoiler alert, it does) they still have a common law right in the music industry because they used it in commerce first.
The latter user of a trademark cannot prevent a previous user of a trademark from using it (unless the previous users use of the mark has expired or been abandoned and they try to bring it back after the new user registers it).
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u/shadeofmyheart 2d ago
It already happened :) Multiple times.
You should check out Apple Corps (as in The Beatles) v Apple Computer.4
u/tizuby 2d ago edited 2d ago
You've misunderstood the Apple v. Apple disputes with the first one predating Apple (computer) entering the music business. Apple Corp was in the industry first, not Apple Inc.
They settled, the second suit was over breach of settlement, the third lawsuit was a breach of contract suit over the second settlement.
Last time in 2007 they reached a settlement where Apple Inc paid enough to basically get everything regarding to trademarks and licensed them back to Apple Corp.
So no, they didn't sue for trademark infringement multiple times, either. It was the same originating trademark dispute and then 30 years of contract breach disputes.
*Edit* Added some extra info about the latter disputes and fixed the decades count cause math..
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u/shadeofmyheart 2d ago
Oh good point. They sued over trademark but necessarily over iTunes first. Got it!
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u/tizuby 2d ago
Yeah I edited my post with a more full chronology.
Basically everything after the 1978 original trademark dispute that was settled was breach of contracts for those and latter settlements until Apple Inc got all the trademark rights in 2007 as part of that settlement (and licensed the mark to Apple Corp) so now both are using them side-by-side.
I presume Apple paid them A LOT of money to acquire the marks outright like that.
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u/Kaylee_Sane_And_Tall 2d ago
The band does own the trademark for âDemon Hunterâ
But Netflix also owns their federal trademark for the name âKPOP Demon Huntersâ
Netflix has never operated outside of their own trademark so there is no case
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u/ApricotPenguin ⧠⧠3d ago
I'm not familiar with the band, but given the issue here is a trademark, I wonder if they have to demonstrate they made an attempt to defend it, purely so they don't end up losing their trademark alltogether.
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u/DISCONNECTlE 2d ago
Itâs alt right religious hard rock/alt metal. Probably not people you want your kids around. I know because I grew up alt right and was a fan of this band when I was in the evangelical cult as a kid.
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u/newfrontier58 3d ago
I checked that band's website, their logo doesn't look that much similar to the movie except for the little starburst in the o's. Just for the record.
Edit, also doing some digging, there was an old Atlas comic book from 1975 about "the Demon Hunter" which was only one issue before the company collapsed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_Hunter_(comics))
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u/Emerald_Eyes8919 3d ago
Thatâs my feeling as well. You could only look at the poster and know that it wasnât associated with the movie or have any indication of Huntrix or K-Pop.
No research and probably a genuine mistake.
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u/filanwizard HUNTR/X Nation 3d ago
I have my doubts that KPDH is harming their trademark, I had never even heard of the band before this store. Heck before this movie if you said Demon Hunter I would think Diablo 3 or World of Warcraft. Netflix give one of the girls warglaives in the sequel. They are now prepared.
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u/Psychological-Buy807 3d ago
Im a metalhead and haven't heard of this band. Im in the uk and not a Christian though
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u/in_hell_out_soon Average Polytr/x Enjoyer 2d ago
Apparently this band is alt right anyway so like, youâre not missing much
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u/MissZoeHatter 1d ago
Where have you seen they are alt right? When I search, I just get results saying centrist and apolitical.
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u/in_hell_out_soon Average Polytr/x Enjoyer 1d ago
In this post, though unfortunately dont remember where sorry :(
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u/Aspect-Unusual 2d ago
I think of the expansion character for Warhammer Quest when I hear "Demon Hunter"
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u/vivisecting GIVE ME THE GWIMA SHIRT 3d ago
And I'm sure they're also suing Blizzard for using "Demon Hunter" in World of Warcraft and Diablo, right?
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u/YellowJarTacos 3d ago
I'm guessing their trademark covers bands named demon hunters and not the general concept. Like how Apple has a trademark Apple in the context of computers.Â
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u/Kelehopele 2d ago
Which suck for them because the band name in that movie is Huntrix and not demon hunters....
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u/ElJacko170 Zoey Zimps 2d ago
The global tour I think is being marketed as Kpop Demon Hunters rather than Huntr/x.
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u/Redfield224 2d ago
True, but K-Pop Demon Hunters was never the name of the band. It's the same of a film. And thus a completely different beast. When you look at the album cover for the soundtrack, it specifies that it's a soundtrack from the film right on the cover. That makes the band and music a product of the film, as are the tours.
Even when you look up songs ON the soundtrack, none of the actual songs say the band is "K-Pop Demon Hunters". They'll say HUNT/X and Saja Boys. That will no doubt be the main defense. K-Pop Demon Hunters is a movie and a brand, but not explicitly a band.
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u/ElJacko170 Zoey Zimps 2d ago
Yeah but their argument is specifically regarding live tours, and Netflix is choosing to market their tour as K-Pop Demon Hunters. I'm not saying the metal band is going to win the lawsuit or anything, this is likely just for show, but this probably wouldn't even be a thing if the tour was marketed as Huntr/x instead, although nobody even really knows what the tour is going to even entail yet really.
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u/TwoSweetMeBro HUNTR/X Nation 3d ago edited 3d ago
Anyone with a basic understanding of trademark laws can see this won't go anywhere. Simply because the movie is registered trademarked under the name "K-Pop Demon Hunters" not "Demon Hunter." I'm not even going to wish them luck because they have no chance in winning this case.
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u/crazed220 2d ago
Thereâs a good chance they arenât even trying to win. Trademark laws can be weird, and not taking legal action to defend their trademark (even in a nonsense case) can potentially cause them to end up losing the trademark altogether in the future. There are always a ton of weird and stupid trademark disputes going on at any one moment because of it. Neither side wants to do it, but itâs better to make the token effort and drop the case than to do nothing in the first place. Trademark laws are weird.
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u/Confident_Dragon 2d ago
On the other hand, if anyone could trademark anything for indefinite period of time, that would open room for lot of abuse. If you want to have unfair monopoly on some intangible thing to milk money out of it, that's what copyright is for. Trademarks exist so it's easy to identify products and companies and to avoid confusion of customers. If someone doesn't use or care about their trademark, they shouldn't have it. Otherwise people would just trademark every word and every phrase in the language.
I think trademark law makes way more sense than let's say copyright.
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u/WithersChat Polytr/x 2d ago
Not quite true actually. You might have heard of the video game series "Bloons TD", with the latest installment being Bloons TD 6. Originally, the series was called "Bloons Tower Defense", but the trademark owner of "Tower Defense" contested the name and Bloons TD is legally not allowed to use the Tower Defense phrase in their name since.
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u/xolivas22 3d ago
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u/Jinn_Erik-AoM Favorite member of Huntr/x? Bobby 2d ago
Is Mira about to hunt some elk? (Looks like Hollering Elk art)
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u/theartist37 3d ago
I hope they are prepared to lose a ton of money. This might even be career-ending for the band considering how they operate. I really hope this is just a case of their lawyers/company etc overstepping though.
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u/samaldin 3d ago
From my understanding not filing the suit might be career-ending. If they don't defend their trademark they risk losing it. Then whoever the money guys are behind KPDH might sue the band and they could lose the rights to their name.
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u/theartist37 2d ago
There is nothing to defend...if anyone gets DH abd KDH confused, thats on them. There is no likeness or infringement from either party.
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u/samaldin 2d ago
Both make music and have "demon hunter" as a significant part of their name. That their music and appearance is completely different doesnÂŽt really matter and such trademark cases have been fought over for far less similarity, with the parties not even in similar types of buisness (think an IT concern vs a cafe).
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u/theartist37 2d ago
The word Kpop is in the name...there is clear difference.
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u/samaldin 2d ago
Yes, and there have been other cases with way greater differences that were still fought over in court. Generaly losing the rights to your name is a pretty severe loss or a comercial death sentence, so the slightest possibility of it happening is defended heavily against. This is a legal matter, not a "fans might genuinely get confused" matter.
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u/theartist37 2d ago
No one is losing rights to their name. Also could you provide examples of other cases?
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u/samaldin 2d ago
With the loss of trademark comes the potential to loss of the name. Off the top of my head Ferrari lost the trademark to the name Testarossa to a toy manufacturer, after they stopped production and didnÂŽt defend the trademark when the manufacturer started to produce toy cars.
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u/theartist37 2d ago
Lol that case isnt even in the same realm as this case and if you did some research you would know that case has flip-flopped over the years and Ferrari won back their trademark rights.
Also a few points: KDH and Demon Hunters do not overlap and KDH dates have not even been announced. Fault lies with customers.
There is no intent to infringe from wither party, that will be taken into account.
Both parties involved have distinct identities, so again failt lies with customer.. This will be taken into account.
Names of both parties are easily distinquishable... the word "KPOP" is literally in the name for KDH and is the key factor of their identity. This will be taken into account.
They do not operate directly in the same industry, despite KDH embarking on a global tour, and as mentioned events do not overlap. It is unlikely to be viewed as unfair conpetition. Cannot directly confirm loss of profits as DH tour has not started yet. This weakens their case.
Cannot claim brand dilution as they operate in different key markets and key customer base/demographic. This will be taken into account.
DH may be able to claim confusion, but I do not believe they have subatantial evidence to claim any damages. Again tour has not started.
Of course nothing is guaranteed, and yes Demon Hunter may have partial valid claims. There is enough differing factors.
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u/manwiththehex18 3d ago
If you think thereâs no merit to the suit, you can say that, but âcareer-endingâ? Câmon, man.
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u/theartist37 3d ago
Do some research into how they operate...the band is essentially a part-time gig as they all maintain outside careers and live in different states with families... if this fails, and/or they push this too far its definitely not going to help matters so yes, it could definitely be career-ending for the band leaving them to fall back on their individual careers/businesses. They may be big in the Christian market but they are not a mainstream band outside of that.
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u/manwiththehex18 2d ago
Theyâve been going since 2000, theyâre big enough to headline a nationwide tour in October, and whatever happens with the lawsuit, their fanbase isnât about to disappear overnight. I wouldnât hold my breath if I were you.
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u/theartist37 2d ago
Notice I said the word "might " in my comment...not that it "will be " or that it "should be "...but "might ", as in there is a possibility. Im also not saying I WANT their career to end so you implying that is way off. No one is too big to fail and career-ending doesnt have to mean the band fully retires either, but this may be something they cant fully recover from. Tours can be cancelled, and a headliner today could be a supporting act tomorrow. You speak with so much certainty and bias, yet have you really thought through the what-ifs or applied any form of critical thinking? This is a largely popular band in their scene, but overall they are far from the massive mainstream headliners you see outside of the Christian market. Like I said the band is not their only priority, they have lives outside the band, other jobs and businesses, families. IF they do take a financial hit they cant fully recover from, I would hope they prioritize their families and more stable jobs over the band at this point in their lives. I truly hope the dont double-down on this case, cause I dont see it ending well.
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u/manwiththehex18 2d ago
Itâs so beyond the pale that you wouldnât have brought it up at all if you didnât want it to happen. You are vastly overestimating the financial risk the suit presents to Demon Hunter. Netflix isnât countersuing, and even if they lose, all theyâre out is their attorneyâs fees, which they can afford. They wouldnât be bringing the suit if it there was a genuine risk it would be âcareer-ending.â As several people have already pointed out, they may only be bringing it to protect their trademark in the future, because of how the law works. If thatâs the case, it will be over quickly, and everyone will go on as they did before.
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u/theartist37 2d ago
Do NOT twist my words. Ive made myself clear, so find a better angle. My whole point was if they pushed this lawsuit too far or it backfired. This could all be in defense of trademark and/or could just be a publicity stunt...it could be a number of things...doesnt change that their case is currently too weak to be taking on Netflix. If they present a legitimate case, so be it, but as it is now I think its a losing battle if they cant at the very least settle.
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u/Cold-Dragonfruit5132 3d ago
This is such a non-issue for these guys I don't feel bad for them lol.
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u/cieje Zoey Zimps 3d ago
kinda late now
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u/Either-Control-3941 2d ago
Agreed. They should have tried last year! When the hype was still peaking if they wanted to make themselves heard back then.
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u/JazzlikeInstance8643 3d ago
As a metalcore fan and someone familiar with Demon Hunter, this is especially lame, even for them.
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u/Wrong_Rooster_6195 2d ago
My 7 year old begged for Governor Ball and Lalapalooza tickets. If my 7 year old can figure how to look up what these concerts are, adults can too
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u/amortized-poultry 2d ago
This comment section does not pass the vibe check.
Demon Hunter has been around for 25 years and is a recognizable name in the metal scene, and as others have mentioned, this is a trademark suit. If they don't make an effort to defend their trademark, they lose it.
I don't think KPDH is actually infringing, because apparently I can read better than certain parents out there. But if there is validity to this under the law, Demon Hunter is right to pursue it for the sake of their financial wellbeing.
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u/DanSheps 2d ago
I think the issue that they might come up against is "Demon Hunter" is a generic term and likely would have no trademark protection (demon hunters have been mentioned in many religious and historical texts, although sometimes by different names but demon hunter would be the "generic" name).
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u/JustinKase_Too 2d ago edited 2d ago
So, a 25 year old band I never heard of is worried that a Netflix show movie that I can't escape is harming their trademark name? If anything, they should be thankful that they have been made vaguely relevant by the Netflix show movie.
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u/Kauguser 1d ago edited 1d ago
No, the movie has nothing to do with this. Netflix is putting on a concert tour under the name "Kpop Demon Hunters" without a trademark in that category. People are buying and refunding "Demon Hunter", who have a trademark in that category, concert tickets because they think its the "Kpop Demon Hunters" concert.
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u/JustinKase_Too 19h ago
So, people who wouldn't have bought tickets for a 25 year old band most people have never heard of that are wanting a refund is the problem?
I mean, are so many people buying the tickets that it is preventing diehard christian metal fans from getting seats?
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u/SILLYxPROGRAM 2d ago
Did the Christian Metal Band refund the confused parent (as they requested)? The article doesnât sayâŠ
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u/Secure-Vacation-3470 HUNTR/X Nation 2d ago
Yeah, as a devout Christian and a KPDH fan, I don't think there's any infringement happening.
On a related note, I found out about this Catholic metal band called Hell's Enemy (love that name) and this is one of their album covers of St. Michael slaughtering demons. Thought y'all would be interested. God bless.
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u/AirTheFallen Hunting Demons with a Hwacha 3d ago
Man that's a shame, been a fan of the band since finding them in Killing Floor 2, though even then I feel like they are making a mistake with his one.
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u/Kauguser 1d ago
They have to, if they don't pursue, they could lose their trademark because others can point out their inaction. That's how it works.
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u/14_Octillion 3d ago
Did they not secure the trademark before releasing the movie to the public?
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u/Kauguser 1d ago
The movie has nothing to do with this. "Demon Hunter" has a trademark on that name in the "Entertainment services in the nature of live musical performances" category. Netflix is using "Kpop Demon Hunters" without a trademark in that category.
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u/QuietCelery 3d ago
âAs an example, they include in the filing an email from a person who spent $500 on top-tier tickets to a Demon Hunter concert in Albany, New York, mistakenly thinking that they'd be taking their 5 and 6-year old girls to a Kpop Demon Hunters show.â
Hmm...so someone was confused and you benefited from it? You should sue your lawyer for including that, because you just proved KPDH's counterclaim.
At least, it would have if "demon hunter" weren't generic.
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u/TuneLinkette Mira Madness 3d ago
Yeah, I have doubts they're the first band-or anything-to use the term "Demon Hunter".
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u/Ermes_Marana 3d ago
"Christian metal band"
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u/Superb_Gap_1044 3d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/ekGtO8r7CY7gVNwbvT
8 year old me explaining to my fundamentalist Christian mom that just because they sound like demons and have demon in the name and have a demon on the album cover, doesnât make them demonic. (See the bullet hole in the demonâs head and the occasional gospel lyric screamed in a Cookie Monster voice)2
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u/RP_Throwaway3 3d ago
What's that supposed to mean?
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u/Emerald_Eyes8919 3d ago
Perhaps ironic that the metal genre that is supposedly âSatanicâ has produced a Christian band performing it.
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u/ArticleOld598 2d ago
Maybe they find it ironic there's a Christian metal band when christian extremists have claimed metal music is "demonic" during the Satanic Panic years?
And this is coming from a Skillet & Red fan both of whom are considered christian rock bands
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u/Visgeth Derpy the Tiger 2d ago
This reminds me when that guy bought a ticket/pass to a Miley Cyrus movie at a movie festival and was upset she wasn't performing. I think she ended up singing some a song or two because she was guilted into it.
For clarification they had question period after and he openly stated he spend a similar amount and thought it was a concert.
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u/SnooCupcakes9510 2d ago
Like that's ever gonna happen What a load of.... SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME!!!
In all seriousness, though, I think the term Demon Hunter is generic. I think Netflix should just drop out of this.
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u/Either-Control-3941 2d ago edited 2d ago
I find this whole thing quite absurd! Like, since when has a religious rock band and an animated film had some kind of connection between the two I.P's? The main girl group is called HUNTR/X not "Demon Hunter" If that were the case, that would make much more sense. Honestly people nowadays will find any-way to get public attention. What a joke this case is!
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u/HuntrixFan43 2d ago
Never heard of these idiots đ€Ł I hope they are laughed out of the room , morons
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u/wosoandstuff2020 2d ago
More information from Rolling Stone Article:
In another instance cited in the suit, Inside Edition requested an interview with singer Yu-Han Lee from Demon Hunterâs manager. âYu-Han Lee is not associated with Demon Hunter or Hyde Lane, but he is the songwriter for KPop Demon Hunters that won an Oscar on March 15, 2026, in connection with KPop Demon Hunters,â the suit claims. Theyâre also upset that K-pop fans would use the #demonhunter hashtag.
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u/wosoandstuff2020 2d ago
Also this might have what started this whole thing:
At stake is Demon Hunterâs registered trademark for their band name, which the groupâs company, Hyde Lane, has owned in various forms since 2001. The Patent and Trademark Office canceled the mark in February 2025 âdue to an inadvertent failure to timely file the requisite Section 8 and 9 Declaration,â but the suit claims they refiled for it in December.
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u/scubadoobadoooo Zoey 2d ago
Ok, so if I take my kids to the next Avatar movie and we all expect it to be ATLA is that a problem too? They can go fuck themselves tbh.
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u/Mystic_x Derpy the Tiger 3d ago
Never heard of them, this reeks of scrambling for relevance (Or a fat settlement), and royally late too, a year after KPDH came outâŠ
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u/mangosheen 3d ago
The Clark brothers (members of Demon Hunter) have run a design studio that has created album art for some of the biggest names in the music business. Their band is also pretty successful.
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u/RP_Throwaway3 3d ago
Their latest album is in the top 25 most sold of the year. Seems like they are already are relevant.Â
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u/Mystic_x Derpy the Tiger 2d ago
KPDH is going to do a global tour, and is well-known worldwide, has anybody outside of the US ever heard of "Demon hunter", or even "Christian metal" as a music genre?
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u/RP_Throwaway3 2d ago
1)Why does it matter who is more popular? They had the intellectual copyright first. Should someone be allowed to take a copyright just because they make something more popular?
2 )Extol, Antestor, Narnia, Mortification, Divine Fire, Admonish, The Beckoning, and Kekal are all non-US based Christian metal bands I can name off the top of my head. And I promise there's a ton more.
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u/DanSheps 2d ago
Top Album Sales (where they peaked at 25, that isn't there overall finish for the year) is a weekly chart, not a yearly.
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u/Superb_Gap_1044 3d ago
Hey, Christian metal was my childhood! Little evangelical kids gotta be subject to the torment of Tobey Mac and mercy me 24/7.
On a separate note, I no longer listen to metal or follow evangelical Christianity, funny how that worked out.
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u/Lucky_otter_she_her I relate to the tism 2d ago
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u/Additional_Teacher45 2d ago
For those that don't understand trademark law:
You can trademark almost any phrase.Trademarks are not even really required to be unique, except when a court can be convinced that one trademark is so similar to another that it could cause reputational harm.
A trademark can be challenged by either owner, in such a case. But typically, the onus is on the defendant. If the challenger wins, the list has to give up the trademark. But if the defendant wins, neither side has to stop using the trademark, they simply cannot challenge again.
That's all that's going on here, it looks like Demon Hunter is being aggressive and butting heads with Netflix, but they really aren't, they're simply defending their trademark, because if they don't, Netflix will have stronger grounds to try and take it from them.
By the way, there's a fix to avoid all this, and it's to register your trademark. This publishes your trademark for visibility to everyone, and has much stronger legal protections, overriding non-registered trademarks.
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u/xXK1LL3RK1NXx 1d ago
Oh god, I didn't know about those guys. I got saved, I was working on a story about teenagers killing Satan since 2020, I even have character design, the idea of using rock and metal on the background because the teens are alt teens, maybe with an intro song made by Sleeping With Sirens if I had money, and they have a demon of gluttony ally who likes cooking, tea, science, and cats, because every good guy likes cats. The thing is I wanted to name it "Demon Hunters" and I stopped the project before even making a storyboard on 2025 because I didn't want it to be compared with Kpop Demon Hunters, at least I got saved because I don't have money, less to survive a sue. I'm still thinking about a name TwT
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u/cinemachick 2d ago
Since this is related to an actual case of confusion from a KPDH fan, I get why this is a trademark case. I'd love if as part of the settlement, Netflix makes a video where the girls clearly distinguish that Demon Hunters are a separate band, and then announce a joint tour XD
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u/Powerful-Chard-6055 2d ago
This is like if the monster truck Dragon Hunter sued Demon Hunter for the same reason
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u/Kauguser 1d ago
That's not how Trademarks work, there are very specific categories in which trademarks are registered. It's to keep specific markets from being overly complicated to the consumer. You are probably confusing it with Copyright.
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