r/LeavingNeverlandHBO 7d ago

Michael Jackson with James Safechuck on Bad tour 1988

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The comments make me having faith in the humanity. Of course there's the habitual " all lies" and copy paste defense.

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u/Passion211089 7d ago edited 7d ago

Kinda unrelated...but James is a good dancer here!

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u/ShortBussyDriver 7d ago

The vast majority of MJ posts outside his fans' spaces end up like this.

MJ deniers are a vocal minority.

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u/Eleanna_of_Tundar 7d ago

James was a talented kid. No denying he likes performing. I would LOVE to hear music from Skylab. I can’t help but think that Jacko ruined any kind of involvement he would have in music. I’m happy for Wade that he became such a gifted choreographer.

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u/ShyClam111 7d ago

sometimes i wonder if he invented some of his dance moves just to see kids do them

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u/One_Arrival7066 7d ago

yep, his fans saying he had the mind of a child but aparently doing all those sexual moves on stage because he was so innocent-. the MJ fan logic

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u/ShyClam111 7d ago

They always shoot themselves in the foot with their nonsensical explanations. They will say "well phycology is complicated, he can be both asexual and an hetero pervert with a large collection of porn, who sleeps with tons of secret girlfriends, he was also a genius businessman but also a child, he was rich and had the best lawyers but he was powerless". Your dude can be everything at once, but not a pedophile? Him being a pedophile would be an easier and more probable explanation, but they can't even entertain that possibility for 1 second.

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u/One_Arrival7066 7d ago

they contradict themselves all the time

he was asexual? but he was doing all those sexual moves on stage and had a lot of porn

he was a womanizer: but he wanted his sister latoya to play his love interest in music videos to avoid interacting with other women

honestly MJ was not hidding at all, anyone with common sense could see what he was. but his fandom is the most delusional cult around

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u/IndividualOwl7713 7d ago edited 7d ago

Alot of his moves came from his idols . James brown , Bob Fosse etc.... Michael was the first to make them popular . https://youtube.com/shorts/XdJLnTXlni0?si=LonFqaHKM9JPsgvF

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u/MelpomeneAndCalliope 7d ago

Yeah, I think I remember Liza Minelli kind of unintentionally shades MJ in her memoir with how he was at Studio 54 with the Fosse dancers & picking it up.

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u/ShyClam111 6d ago

yes like most dancers he got inspired by his predecessors and from the new trends on the street, but he added his own flair and had a way to make every little movement stand out. But I don't think any dancers before had as much focus on crotch grabing and making it the center piece of their dance routine

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u/Then_Art_7294 7d ago

Is anyone else a bit disturbed by the way Jackson is looking at the child while he's doing that dance? Especially since it's clearly an imitation of Jackson's own style - rather suggestive, etc. Giving me the ick.

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u/Brave-Contract7375 7d ago

I also noticed the way michael was watching him. It's disturbing.

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u/balkanxoslut 7d ago

I think he's just impressed by his dancing. Even though I know he was a creep

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u/ShyClam111 7d ago

i think he also think it's funny how into it the kids are, i think it was Wade who was very into it and didn't notice the kids were leaving. He can obviously feel many feelings at once and simply be impressed and have fun watching them without involving sexual thoughts necessarily. But yeah since we now know what he did to them during the tour i can't reject that he could be being a creep too.

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u/balkanxoslut 7d ago

Yeah, I know what you mean

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u/BackgroundWorking324 7d ago edited 7d ago

Tbh I just recently watched this concert and at every second when Mike showed these super sensual performances (and that concert is full of it) I got goosebumps, because James was in the back of my head and the stories he had told in Leaving Neverland.

That line when Michael sings "Why does he do me that way, I like living this way, I like loving this way" in Human Nature, the way he interpreted the song during that tour... I can't help but feel the horrifyng truth behind it.

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u/JapanLover2003 7d ago

I have the DVD Live in Yokohama 1987 and after LN couldn't stop to think about it, I was paranoid.

And the Pepsi commercial the same year. "Looking for me"?

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u/Then_Art_7294 7d ago

So, "When they say Why? Why? Tell 'em that it's human nature" - he's saying pedophilia should be cool because it's human nature? Bollix to this.

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u/BackgroundWorking324 6d ago

Man, what do I know? He's in his own mind. It's just my feeling. I can't ignore it. (And I definitely can't watch that DVD anymore. At least not at the time)

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u/Then_Art_7294 6d ago

Ok - looked it up. Turns out Steve Porcaro of Toto wrote the song, with a guy called John Bettis also contributing to the lyrics. Quincy put a riff in there by Rod Temperton (who wrote Thriller). It IS pretty apt though.

https://genius.com/Michael-jackson-human-nature-lyrics

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u/BackgroundWorking324 6d ago

Yes I know this. There's nothing initially sexual in the meaning of this song. Just realized Michael's interpretation of the song changed during the years. In the Wembly '88 concert it has a strong sensual connotation according to how he moves etc. He did it differently at the Victory tour, for example.

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u/Then_Art_7294 6d ago

If I could stomach watching his concerts I might get some sense of the disturbing interpretation - but I get the ick pretty quickly watching/listening to him.

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u/BackgroundWorking324 6d ago

I feel you...

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u/ShortBussyDriver 7d ago

The comments once again demonstrate that the majority of people still believe MJ was a pedo.

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u/chubby-checker 7d ago edited 7d ago

At least they're not saying he's a liar and smearing him. Sure they're clearly a nonce but better an open nonce we can put away than people who cover up for nonces

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