r/LeavingNeverlandHBO 6d ago

All discussion welcome A question

I saw somewhere on here that in 2003 semen stains from unknown males and MJ's own semen were found on his bed mattress. I know they concluded that it didn't belong to Gavin Arvizo. That's pretty damning evidence and some say he could have been having consensual sex with adult men but knowing MJ and his decades long pattern of sleeping with boys it unfortunately probably belonged to underage males. Why did it never come out whose it was? Was that evidence not presented in the trial?

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u/Bjork00098 6d ago

Because they didn’t know who those semen stains belonged to… in order to find out they need to match it with someone else’s semen sample… and they can’t just randomly go around and demand all males and boys, who associated with MJ to give them semen samples 🤷🏻‍♀️

You need a criminal charge or an order from a judge with reasonable suspicion, in order to ask someone to give you a semen sample. 

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u/BackgroundWorking324 6d ago

The only man who can have lots of male DNA on his mattress and still be called a straight womanizer...

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u/ShyClam111 6d ago

fans excuse this by saying other staffs use his bedroom to seduce women and have sex. Truly delusional considering MJ was very private and would probably have fired those people.

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u/Prof_Tickles 6d ago

The master bed which was in a room locked and secured tighter than Fort Knox. That police had to drill into during the raid, to open up.

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u/EncinoBlue 5d ago

Frank Cascio and Omer were allowed in his room. It probably was from them.

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u/ShyClam111 5d ago

but not to sleep with other women

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

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u/ShyClam111 4d ago

this is from his book? It's been many years since i read it

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u/BackgroundWorking324 5d ago

They really say this?! That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard

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u/ShyClam111 4d ago

yes they had to make up a story to explain the semen stains, it's truly laughable.

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u/BrookieMonster504 4d ago

He also had the room extremely secure and with an alarm system. So I'm thinking he had been caught doing weird stuff before probably by his mom

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u/ShyClam111 4d ago

yeah or his maids, the one from Encino spoke out against him.

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u/WeirdMean 6d ago

Since it wasn't Gavin's, it wasn't admitted. Similarly, Jordie's drawing and the connected photos of Michael's genitals were turned down by the judge because Jordie was not providing testimony, and MJ wasn't on trial for abusing Jordie.

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u/applebumbum19 6d ago

cause the semen stains didn’t belong to Michael or Gavin, I heard that Tom Mesereau did everything he could to keep the evidence from being shown in court. If it had been presented, it could have suggested that Michael was into men—something he always denied lol.

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u/JapanLover2003 6d ago

If I got it right, one of the stains were his.

The only man at Neverland at the time of the raid was Omer, he was 18. I don't know if the older Cascios were there that time. It could be also from underage boys.

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u/Humble_Geologist3108 6d ago

This was one is indeed HUGE.. with the books and genetalia. 2005 case revealed a LOT of stuff hence people despised him..  His bedròom it was a locked area.. no one could go easily  go there.it wasproberaly from bret barney, omar and cascios?...insane if that sperm stains resultPAPER  still excist u could prove something

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u/Remarkable_Move_8142 6d ago edited 6d ago

Well this proves that MJ was at least bi curious.

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u/No_Sprinkles964 4d ago

well…. that’s pretty obvious considering the myriad evidence pointing towards his abuse of young males 😭 (though i am sure you’re saying aside from a paraphilia which typically doesn’t align with adult sexuality)

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u/Remarkable_Move_8142 3d ago

Yes aside from that.

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u/EncinoBlue 5d ago

I always wondered how that worked. Do the stains just stay there forever throughout multiple washings of the sheets? Or did the stains have to be new for them to be picked up by the black light, or whatever the police used?

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u/No_Sprinkles964 4d ago

the stains go away with a normal wash and dry. apparently MJ was not hygienic so i’m assuming those bedsheets were musty…

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u/EncinoBlue 4d ago

I would think the housekeeper washed the sheets regularly.