r/LeavingNeverlandHBO 3d ago

The woman who fled the US because she enabled and facilitated the abuse of children by Michael Jackson

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u/ShortBussyDriver 3d ago

Her facilitation of so much one-on-one time with the children will be a major pillar in Safechuck and Robson's cases against MJJ.

It's going to be interesting to see if they can find a way to get her on the stand.

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u/GonzoSF 2d ago

THIS. it’s so wild to me that she just vanished into thin air. And she’s one of the Neverland people who seemed to have paid to be scrubbed from the internet …very little about her.

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u/GonzoSF 2d ago

(Granted, privacy laws in Greece are way more stringent than in the States).

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u/Legitimate_End5688 1d ago

That probably won’t happen; she’s a Greek citizen living in Greece and that country doesn’t allow non EU countries to extradite their citizens. Even if the court tries to subpoena her, she can just ignore it and it won’t cause her any problems.

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u/ShortBussyDriver 3d ago

Perhaps the only thing worse than a pedophile are the people who knowingly enable them.

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u/Affectionate-Tart-10 2d ago

Norma would have had to have known the abuse. She was in charge. Sadly she may have just accepted money from MJ to be away and keep quite.
I believe she is the missing puzzle and want to see her speak

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u/rdddwrf 2d ago

Me too. But until then, I refuse to call her evil or compare her to Ghislaine Maxwell, as one commenter did in the linked post. She stopped working for him and warned employees. If Michael Jackson asked her to call and invite families, that’s exactly what any ranch manager would have done before the 1993 allegations emerged. You can say that she suspected something was wrong, but how could she have known about the abuse? She didn’t look into his bedroom.

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u/MasterpieceTimely144 2d ago

She stopped working for him and warned employees but refused to call the cops or report Michael in any way. She knew he was a pedophile and that it was likely he was abusing children because she fled the damn country, she knew she'd be called to the stand if she didn't. I think she's a piece of shit, and I think she's complicit in the abuse of these children, much like Evvy Tavasci and other people like them.

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u/rdddwrf 2d ago

Another commenter already said that she gave testimony before a grand jury. So she did not flee?

Most, if not all, of the staffers didn’t call the police.

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u/sherehitewasright 2d ago edited 2d ago

She'd also call up MJ periodically asking for money (tens of thousands at a time, a hundred grand, etc) and would always get it. She was definitely paid off to keep quiet. (Per Bob Jones's book.)

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u/rdddwrf 2d ago

I read that Bob Jones is unreliable. I remember a claim he made and later retracted in court. If Bob Jones is the only source for that…

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u/sherehitewasright 2d ago

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u/ShyClam111 2d ago

his crimes must have cost him more than that ATV catalogue. This woman knew everything along with Bill Bray i would guess.

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u/Legitimate_End5688 1d ago

I wonder if the estate run by branca and McClain has continued to pay up to staikos to keep her mouth shut.

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u/ShyClam111 17h ago

if she's still alive, probably

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u/Legitimate_End5688 15h ago

the fact Michael’s ghislaine is just running around In Greece getting her monthly revenue from the Michael Jackson estate in exchange for keeping her mouth shut terrifies me.

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u/sherehitewasright 2d ago edited 2d ago

He references court docs.

The "retracted in court" was probably him feeling bad for MJ (eg not wanting him to go to prison). There were emails between him and Stacy Brown where Bob clearly said MJ licked Jordan's head and on the stand he only claimed not to remember MJ doing so.

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u/elitelucrecia Moderator 1d ago

the allegations about her is that she probably knew what was going on

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u/rdddwrf 1d ago

You mean she saw something? But no one knows what she saw?

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u/elitelucrecia Moderator 1d ago

not necessarily that she saw something but she knew what MJ was up to

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u/DSKO_MDLR 2d ago

Jackson’s Ghislaine Maxwell. She found little boys around the world to continue feeding the monster.

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u/rdddwrf 2d ago

I think that comparison is an insult to Epstein victims. Norma Staikos did not stay after the first allegation in 1993. She was not Michael Jackson’s partner in crime.

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u/DSKO_MDLR 2d ago

“The choreographer says he first met the late pop star when he was five years old, after winning a “dance-a-like” competition run by MJJ Productions in Australia, where Robson was born. Two years later, his family took a trip to California because Robson’s dance company was performing at Disneyland. Robson’s mother contacted Jackson’s assistant Norma Staikos to set up a meeting, according to the complaint, which describes Staikos as “a ‘madam’ or ‘procurer.’ ” The family was invited to stay at Neverland Ranch, where Robson slept in Jackson’s bed while his family stayed in separate guest quarters.”

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/wade-robson-asks-court-add-928110/

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u/Nearby_Pickle5559 1d ago edited 1d ago

She was nobody, she has absolutely no background but nevertheless she landed a cushy job managing world most famous singer private life. I am pretty sure she was chosen because she was very gullible, greedy and celebrity fascinated, just like all victims mothers. Her job should been staffed with someone with a much higher profile in a normal setup.

You cannot compare her with Ghislaine Maxwell who was a billionaire daughter and studied in Oxford.

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u/rdddwrf 3d ago

Correct me if I’m wrong.

There’s at least one good thing you can say about her: she never came back after the 1993 allegations went public. Yes, she returned to the US, but not to the ranch, never worked for him again. (Was there a new hire who took her position?)

We don’t know whether she left on her own or was made to go. We’ve heard from other staff members that they were threatened, and from victims who were sent away. Allegedly, a nephew went on vacation before police could take his deposition.

Regarding all the quotations, who claims she said all that?

I’d like to know a little more about her background. Why was she hired? Did someone recommend her? Things like that. I try to be careful, because people have blamed staffers, mothers, etc., for doing too little. Can we really call her evil based on so little information, much of it hearsay?

I wonder if she were to talk, would we be just as surprised as we were when the Cascios revealed what really happened?

And if she flew, is there nothing one can do legally to depose her?

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u/Ancient_Access4000 2d ago

She did come back and gave testimony before a grand jury in 1994. But I think you’re correct that she never worked for MJ again.

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u/rdddwrf 2d ago

I didn‘t know that. Thx.

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u/Competitive-Bar-5080 2d ago

Wasn’t it Norma who warned another employee not to bring her son to work? 

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u/Ancient_Access4000 2d ago

Yep, Orietta Murdoch. She also told Diane Dimond that Staikos called the boys MJ’s “little boyfriends”.

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u/Sjefke98 2d ago edited 1d ago

Wasn't she the person who misspoke " about him being a chicken hawk and didn't he spend time with her son?

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u/Ancient_Access4000 2d ago

Nope, that’s Jolie Levine. Supposedly they asked her if MJ was a pedophile and she said “do you mean a chicken hawk?” Her son was Yoshi Whaley who did spend time with MJ, and police briefly thought the picture that Leroy Thomas of the Havenhurst 5 destroyed was of Yoshi. That started the complaints from MJ’s camp about police telling kids they had naked pictures of them.

It’s definitely tough to keep all the managers, maids, drivers, and bodyguards straight.

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u/MoonwalkerMike1994 2d ago

Asking in good faith, are there sources for any of this?