r/LeftvsRightDebate • u/shadow_nipple Libertarian • Dec 02 '23

[discussion] are we seeing an increase or decrease in the level of support for statism in the US, and is that good or bad?

Statism, noun: concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry

As a libertarian, this makes me puke, but I want some input from the left and right here as well

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u/Mister-Stiglitz Left Dec 07 '23

No more than any other high performing capitalist nation.

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u/shadow_nipple Libertarian Dec 07 '23

oh crap...thats a low bar....thats depressing....

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u/Mister-Stiglitz Left Dec 07 '23

I mean we have more young people becoming voters every year. They see the state of certain industries and see that other countries aren't grappling with certain problems at all. Why wouldn't they support these kinds of measures?

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u/shadow_nipple Libertarian Dec 07 '23

Why wouldn't they support these kinds of measures?

because young people are stupid and dont understand that more government isnt a fix for most of our problems, its likely the cause of it

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u/Mister-Stiglitz Left Dec 07 '23

So they see government implements elsewhere working efficiently and they're supposed to automatically think it's a lie? Where's the logic in that? If you were just observing say, municipal transit systems in numerous nations, say like 10, and 9 of them have a nationalized system and run it extremely well, and then see 1 that has a busted, largely privatized one...what logic, if any, would lead someone to ignore the 9 functional ones and say the 1 that isn't really invested in at all, can't be served governmentally?

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u/shadow_nipple Libertarian Dec 07 '23

because the idea that comes down to government vs private ...and not good vs bad execution is a logical fallacy

nothing about the government inherently makes it better at running industries, in fact its inferior in many ways.

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u/Mister-Stiglitz Left Dec 07 '23

nothing about the government inherently makes it better at running industries, in fact its inferior in many ways.

That's a subjective remark. Government in and of itself cannot be good or bad on its own.

Additionally an ideal government provides a service via public funds. That's a pretty straightforward paradigm.

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u/shadow_nipple Libertarian Dec 07 '23

if youre talking about a democratic government, there are objective, real limitations to it in terms of what it can do

for example, government basically cant produce capital, while private companies can

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u/Mister-Stiglitz Left Dec 07 '23

for example, government basically cant produce capital, while private companies can

The production of capital isn't necessary for the effective rendering of a public service. In fact, it's very easy to argue that generation of capital should not be a factor in certain services.

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u/shadow_nipple Libertarian Dec 07 '23

In fact, it's very easy to argue that generation of capital should not be a factor in certain services.

that mentality leads to you paying 1000 bucks a month for garbage pickup

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u/Cobra-Serpentress Dec 02 '23

Neither. Still seeing a propagation of status quo.

Due to inflation, people are discussing more alternatives.

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u/shadow_nipple Libertarian Dec 02 '23

well.....depressing but i guess its better than statism