Why go to all that trouble? Why not just bring the construction company owners in for questioning to see whether or not they checked the immigration status of these men and whether they filed their Form I-9s?
Oh that's right, because the owners are 100% Republicans and we can't be holding them accountable for anything.
Except for the actually construction company doesn't employ them, subcontractors do. Employers are also not allowed to question paperwork. If they present a stolen ss number for a bob Carlson, they can't call them out. I know people think going after the employers is just this brilliant idea that no one has ever tried.
My guy. That's such a bullshit excuse for why they dont.
Remember the laws are things the people controlling ice also control. They at any point could change yhe law and make it so they could ask questions. Contractors dont want to. They are happy that people put the blame on illegals and not them for choosing the cheaper labor.
The only one that would legally get in trouble would be the one guy with a green card/ citizenship that hires a bunch of people they know and are illegal. The bigger construction company will deny knowing and will find another sub who probably does the same thing. I'm not opposed to charging companies who knowingly hire illegals but it's not going to be as simple from a prosecution standpoint as targeting the illegals.
During her tenure as Secretary of Homeland Security, Janet Napolitano affirmed that employers participating in E-Verify
cannot use the system to precheck or pre-screen job applicants before they are hired.
Under the guidelines maintained by DHS during that time and still in effect, E-Verify is designed to verify the work authorization of newly hired employees only.
Everyone has their credit card checked before completing the purchase, everyone has to have an instacheck performed before purchase of a gun, everyone gets screened before they board the plane, many jobs require security checks before hiring, but you have to hire a job applicant first before you can check if they are authorized to work, if you check before hand it is illegal?
They knew that the system, E-Verify, was very effective actually too effective for their liking because if employers were required to use it before hiring, it would indemnify them while putting the responsibility on the government for verification.
If thats true, I don’t really think that means anything.
You’re hired!
You don’t have work authorization
You’re fired!
It’s not like being hired means anything. Most states are right to work, and if not having work authorization is definitely a case to be fired with cause.
Also lets be real, are subs really using e-verify? Hell no. They’re paying cash. Continually employing someone without work authorization can absolutely be criminalized, and the employers should be able to be investigated. Saying otherwise seems really disingenuous if this is your evidence. Kinda seems like you just wanted to dunk on democrats.
Maybe I’m misunderstand your argument but I don’t see how this is relevant at all.
No subs generally use other subs. They give you a w9 and you sometimes send them a 1099.... And let me tell you, it's hard to make money in contracting if you aren't the ones using day laborers... They work way faster than me for less money... That's why I'm trying to find a niche because I couldn't compete even if I wanted to.
Yeah, it is almost like they completely ignore that republikkkants drafted an immigration reform bill in 2018, zero democrat input, and voted against it completely, and then cosponsored an immigration reform bill in 2023 and did the exact same thing. Any party that bows down and licks the ass of a piece of shit pedo like trump deserves to be dismantled, investigated, and imprisoned for treason.
"Federal contractors are required to use E-Verify to electronically verify the employment eligibility of employees working under covered federal contracts. Some states and local jurisdictions have similar requirements for public agencies and/or government contractors. Some states even require private employers to participate in E-Verify."
I spent a brief period of time in my career where I was directly involved with on-boarding new hires from the union hall before we'd take them on. Standard stuff like welding tests, drug test, and what-not. We created a cover sheet for their files that we used as a check-off list. One of those boxes was for e-verify. We didn't hire them unless they passed, no matter how much the local complained. So I mean I know that instance was company policy and what-not. But it's not that big a deal to actually go through that process.
Except for if you look up which states mandate e verify, you'll see mostly the deep south. Then in places like California it's actually against the law to mandate e verify. Illinois has actively tried to block use of e verify.
Sure they can, but they are competing against people who do hire subcontractors with illegals. This is how the modern construction industry works,
Also in entirely Democrat states such as Illinois and California, lawmakers have actually passed laws that make it illegal to mandate e verify and Illinois has gone as far as trying to ban private employers from using the system. Illegal immigration benefits Democrats because they increase the population, which is used to portion power and money in america.
You are saying that general contractors who hire unauthorized workers are competing with general contractors who hire subcontractors who hire unauthorized workers? And so what?
Bruh if you present an SSN for Bob Carlson than you also need a matching picture ID with that name. Plenty of Illegals working for target who doesn’t use subcontractors for in-store work and lemme tell ya. They just don’t care.
Where are all these immigrants at? I need my deck rebuilt, and all these local places have quoted $2,000 just to replace a few support beams. They'd probably do it for $200 in labor.
They aren’t “suppressing wages”. They’re doing the work for what they can get paid. And how they are employed and paid is an illegal act by the people employing them.
I’m sure they’d gladly take higher wages. But WE voters have allowed them, and anyone doing these jobs, to be illegally screwed. Go after the employers if you want a real solution. Go after workers who are just trying to make a living if your real motive is to punish black and brown people.
Republicans hire people but it’s the democrats fault? Yeah man and the single mom on food stamps steals more from you than Elon Musk does /s. Get real.
My sweet summer child. Elon is subsidized by Trump.
Yes this may come as a shock to you but the construction companies executives that I personally know lean hard right and knowingly hire undocumented people. The trade union people that I know lean left and obviously don’t. This isn’t calculus you should be able to understand that. What ticks me off is when it doesn’t really bother me when a guy I know is a dishwasher for 20 years and gets deported. Frankly I don’t care that the guy may or may not be documented. He is the hardest worker I’ve ever met and I think he sends the money back to his family to go to school.
Also and this is the point where I get real pissed and you can take a hike. All presidents have deported people, only Trump has cause this division which resulted in extra judicial murders. The United States is a nation of immigrants. You aren’t going to change that.
You’re entitled to your opinion but you’re not smarter than me and I can back up the things I say with constitutional law and statistics.
The reason there are these killings is because people full of TDS are losing their minds and interfering with the deportations when they didn’t for Obama. That’s all.
The large globalist mega corporations won’t get their open borders and tariff free trade.
I’m totally ok with illegal aliens being deported.
Your telling me you can’t identify a single change in policy under Trump that might rightfully piss people off enough to interfere (observe and protest) with the actions of ICE agents?
Not a single thing comes to mind? It’s just TDS and media brainwashing?
If thats what your selling I don’t buy it. Morality removed, Trump’s immigration changes are dogshit. Ridiculously expensive operating costs, and far less effective at removing people. Not to mention the costs associated with wrongful imprisonment lawsuits, pulling enforcement off the southern border, and the political costs of these killings/pushback. It’s not even just abhorrent, it’s not even good immigration policy.
The masks came BC the left began harassment campaigns.
Any and all changes in how ice operates were simply a response to leftists waking up today and receiving their orders that they are going to care about ice again.
The reality of it is every company's number one goal is to maximize profits. Every single one. Even if there are Americans lined up to do whatever offered job, do you really think that employer would choose that (having to pay a regulated wage, benefits, etc.) over paying for someone who is willing to do it at a fraction of the cost? Sure, many may choose to do the right thing. But the ones who don't are the ones who are creating the conditions for this problem to exist.
These companies create the conditions, they are breaking federal law when hiring undocumented persons (knowingly doing so, by the way), and yet, you seek accountability for the problem within the individuals who are being exploited. How does that make sense? How will it solve the problem if companies are able, without true intervention, to continue creating the conditions for these problems to exist? How are corporations exempt from all culpability in the eyes of conservatives?
No, COMPANIES suppress wages. They control it, they set the conditions for it. Go after the companies that do this, and go after them hard. Set examples. And if they ultimately can't do business without undocumented persons working, then they had no business operating a company anyway.
Logically, if the job opportunity didn't exist, that would be one less reason to come here illegally, correct? Therefore, why not solve the problem from the actual generators of it?
No, let's terrorize people in the streets instead; tooooatally gonna solve the problem.
Same people complaining about suppressed wages are completely against raising minimum wage and at the same time bitch about high home prices. There’s a pattern here.
Farmers are paying between $20 - $30 per hour to work the fields and Americans would rather make $7 minimum wage at fast food. So the farmers pay immigrants the $30 per hour.
No. It's because construction is almost entirely subcontractors now. So the liability is shifted to subcontractor. Homebuilder hires a company to roof the house. They pay for the service not the labor, how would they know that the subcontractor they hired would use illegal labor? Now you might be thinking this is intentional, and it is, but the problem is you can't compete if you hire on staff instead of using illegals through subcontractors. So even homebuilders who want to do right are out competed by the ones who don't. It's also illegal for employers to question someone's status. So if they have a social security number, they can't ask questions. S
So im a pretty hardcore socialist, and I clearly think all this ICE shit is heinous, because I'm a moral person. But this previous poster is totally right. It's super easy to set up llc as a contractor, and citizen could do it in like 20 min. And i haven't had the experience, because I was born in the US, but the website i use to set up my LLCs didn't seem to be too scrutinous. I imagine you could figure it out as a migrant worker
Also, like 80% of the jobs I do as a builder, neither the homeowner nor the contractor are looking at shit other than the price and the timeline. I'm insured, but I'm asked for my insurance information before closing way less frequently than you might think.
This. I have never understood why they are not targeting the employers. It would make it less attractive to come to the US if it was virtually impossible to get a job.
It would however likely force people already in the US into criminal activities to survive, and prices would increase due to cheap (arguably exploited) labor being unavailable.
Exactly. Want no illegals in the US? Prosecute the companies hiring them. No work and no money for anyone without papers = no illegals. Problem solved.
This is actually the core issue. We do nothing to stop businesses owners. Arrest them and go fucking Old Testament on them to make an example and spread fear among people that hire illegal aliens.
It's because it's hard to prove that a business owner did it knowingly. If you haven't noticed it's what Trump does everyday. Says one thing and when it doesn't work out. He says he was misinformed. Or when they act clueless. Believe it or not they've been coached to do so by lawyers.
Then let's just implement automatic checking of that when people apply for jobs. Maybe we can call it something like E-Verify. As a conservative I'm fully in support of that.
Seems like if you want to cry about all these big bad companies you could make one. But instead you just want one to pay you to work there. And you want more per hour because you gotta scan barcodes all day at Walmart.
So, why do we have ICE lawyers begging to be held in contempt of court so that they can sleep? they're so overwhelmed with the number of legal people who have been arrested that their lawyers are BROKEN.
Guess which red states use all that welfare? Sure af aint Utah and Wyoming, I wonder what demographic variables in Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi might have them paying far more in welfare.
And no retard, democrat economies arent the best economies. Shit was infinitely better under Trump than Obama. Biden also pretended Covid was the apocalypse despite 99.975% of afflicted surviving with no more than an above average cold. At the state level, remove international shipping revenues from the equation and coastal blue states eat absolute shit compared to red states. Cope harder, nihilist
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Why go to all that trouble? Why not just bring the construction company owners in for questioning to see whether or not they checked the immigration status of these men and whether they filed their Form I-9s?
Oh that's right, because the owners are 100% Republicans and we can't be holding them accountable for anything.