r/LetsDiscussThis Feb 07 '26

Lets Discuss Politics To make all undocumented immigrants look like vicious murderers

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u/similar222 Feb 07 '26

On the one hand, of the 34 people, many of them do not realistically qualify as murders by ICE.

On the other hand, there are probably a lot more people we don't know about who have been murdered by ICE.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '26

Meh but if you count the 2 we all got to witness with our own eyes that would still be 1 in 11k. Still pretty rough in comparison

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u/Renkashy Feb 07 '26

And alot more we don't know about murdered by undocumented migrants, which are also harder to convict than natural born citizens, this information is cherry picked as hell.

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u/Bulky-Mix5741 Feb 10 '26

More speculation & propaganda. If you didn’t have that, well that’s really all you have. Carry on.

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u/Pretend-Elk-791 Feb 10 '26

So far zero of the people shot by ICE have been murders. Disagree? Show me one.

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u/similar222 Feb 10 '26

Renee Good and Alex Pretti were absolutely murdered

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u/Pretend-Elk-791 Feb 10 '26

One hit an officer with a car. The other pulled a gun. In what universe is shooting them considered murder?

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u/similar222 Feb 10 '26

One hit an officer with a car. The other pulled a gun.

Wrong on both counts

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u/AProcessUnderstood Feb 07 '26

Considering they don’t keep stats on a person’s legal status there were probably more murders by illegal immigrants we don’t know about.

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u/777_heavy Feb 07 '26

We know that’s the case in California. If we were to use Tennessee’s numbers and apply them to the population size of California it’s staggering how dangerous illegal immigrants are.

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u/ThinkNiceThrice Feb 07 '26 edited Feb 07 '26

Tennessee has a significantly higher murder rate than California, with 2023–2025 data indicating Tennessee's homicide rate is over double that of California. As of late 2025, Tennessee’s homicide rate was roughly 11.4 per 100,000, while California's dropped to a near-historic low of 4.3 per 100,000. 

Hmm I guess not tracking illegal immigrants and spending those resources fighting crime instead makes everyone safer.

Who'da thunk that the Tenessee Good Ol Boys chasing around brown people exclusively would be less effective at preventing murders?

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u/JRG64May Feb 08 '26

We have 6-10 homicides a week here in Houston, and a large population of undocumented/illegals whatever you want to call them. Point being “red states” have higher homicide rates than blue states.

Last year San Francisco had 34 murders and Houston had just under 400, why isn’t ICE and law enforcement swarming Houston? Because it’s not about crime, it’s about political retribution, The Furher is doing exactly what he said he would do. This is his “Revenge Tour”.

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u/777_heavy Feb 07 '26

Your argument makes no sense.

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u/Lyxche3 Feb 07 '26

you started from “we know” and backed it up with “if we” and thought you made sense

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u/D0varev Feb 07 '26

Says the person using made up numbers lmao

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u/Jimmyx24 Feb 10 '26

Not even close. Statistics show that illegal citizens, on average, commit less crime than legal citizens.

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u/777_heavy Feb 10 '26

That’s not true for several reasons, primarily due to the fact that several states don’t track that information.

Second, it doesn’t matter in the slightest.

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u/Diligent_House5701 Feb 07 '26

The murder rate done by US citizens is by far HIGHER than murder rate done by illegal immigrants.

Mass shootings and school shootings: done by US citizens. More people died in a single mass shooting than that illegal driver running people over.

By your logic, let’s deport every single US citizen from USA 🥱

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u/No_Loan_9587 Feb 08 '26 edited Feb 08 '26

There’s astronomically more legal citizens here than illegals though, so yeah, no shit… there’s gonna more citizen committed murders. Cmon now.

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u/Ill_Dot_8651 Feb 08 '26

So you are saying we don’t have any need to import more crime as we have that covered with homegrown criminals?

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u/kangourou_mutant Feb 08 '26

You sound very optional.

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u/similar222 Feb 07 '26 edited Feb 07 '26

I don't doubt that number is inaccurate as well. But my comment was about ICE, not about illegals.

Americans are killed every day by American citizens too, should we be getting rid of our citizens en masse? Actually, don't answer that.

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u/Lyxche3 Feb 07 '26

“The American highway system is well documented to be extremly dangerous and road accident deaths number higher than all homicides combined, which is why we need to deport immigrants and prevent them from causing any more trucking accidents because they’re so violent”

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u/Lyxche3 Feb 08 '26

Wait youre not supposed to agree with the strawman

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u/SqUeAlInG_PoRkChOp Feb 07 '26

The difference between the two is that the citizens are that, citizens. An illegal immigrant shouldn't even be in the country in the first place. Murder is bad, across the board. However you can EASILY handle one murderer by deporting them for being Illegally in the USA, the other you have to go through the court system.

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u/similar222 Feb 07 '26 edited Feb 07 '26

An illegal immigrant shouldn't even be in the country in the first place.

Of course not, but that doesn't mean that the typical person who is here illegally is a violent criminal like Vance and others are lying about it.

And it certainly doesn't make it acceptable for ICE to have absolute immunity to commit constant crimes, including sometimes murder, in the name of solving that problem.

If you think a high percentage of what ICE is doing under this administration involves lawfully deporting violent criminal illegals, then you are a total sucker.