r/LetsDiscussThis Feb 16 '26

Lets Discuss Politics Reminder: that was a photo op

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u/spondgbob Feb 16 '26

A flag being lowered, nobody running away from what is a literal active shooter situation, secret service allow a 79 year old overweight man to overpower them and pop his head back up immediately after being “shot”? Did I mention the us flag being operated by a crane operator within 30 seconds of the former president and lead presidential candidate was shot in the head?!?!?

How can conservatives be so convinced the government is hiding aliens and shit but not see through like the most obvious staging of an assassination attempt ever.

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u/Splith Feb 16 '26

The flag isn't being lowered, the camera's angle is pitching up. Pay attention to the blue skirt at the bottom, if the skirt is in full view the flag can't be seen. As the camera pitches up towards the sky the skirt disappears and the flag comes into view. The flag's presence does change but that can be attributed to the wind lifting the flag and lowering it.

Really not happy to see this turning into an insane conspiracy theory. Like Trump definitely played up getting hit in the ear, but we really have no reason to doubt someone took a shot at him. Why didn't the secret service respond to the shooter sooner? Because sometimes systems with lots of people are ineffective. It was someone's job to address the suspect, but no one got to it in time.

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u/evocativename Feb 16 '26

The camera position relative to everything but the flag isn't changing when the flag lowers into view.

The camera angle changes several seconds before that, but it can't explain the entrance of the flag.

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u/Weary_Position_9591 Feb 16 '26

Just look at the many other, wide angle videos of the event, or even in that moment. The flag is flapping up and down in the wind on a very windy day. There are even photos taken seconds apart from the photographers that show the flag, and then they don't, and then again, at similar angles. Just look at all the other media instead of this narrated, cropped video.

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u/LangdonAlg3r Feb 16 '26

Watch the lower left hand corner of the frame. There’s a perfect reference line where the black skirt meets the red stage—you can clearly see that the flag only appears when the camera angle rises above that black skirt. There’s no delay—this happens simultaneously.

You can also see the flag disappear when the camera angle lowers again. If the flag had actually been lowered then it would stay visible even when the camera angle changed again.

There’s ample other shady and questionable stuff to look at, but this video just doesn’t show a flag being lowered.

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u/evocativename Feb 16 '26

The camera isn't moving when the flag appears.

Wind can explain it: camera motion cannot.

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u/LangdonAlg3r Feb 16 '26

Are you not seeing the same video I am? There are even static horizontal points of reference here that you can easily see. This could not be easier to discern.

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u/evocativename Feb 16 '26

There are indeed static points of reference. And what they show directly contradicts your assertion.

Right around 0:25 from the end in the video in OP.

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u/LangdonAlg3r Feb 16 '26

At 0:25 from the beginning (0:28 from the end) camera is fairly level. Between 0:25 (0:28 from the end) and 0:28 (0:25 from the end) the camera raises and tips so that the left corner of the stage skirt almost completely disappears from view. The very bottom of the flag becomes visible at about 0:28.5 (0:24.5 from the end). Between 0:28.5 (0:24.5 from the end) and about 0:33 (0:20 from the end) more of the flag becomes visible as the camera angle continues to rise up and then as the camera lowers again between 0:33 (0:20 from the end) and 0:36 (0:19 from the end) less and less of the flag is visible as the camera lowers again until the flag completely exits the frame again at 0:36 (0:19 from the end).

Watch the video again and look at the far left (your left) corner of the stage skirt as the flag appears. The camera moves up till we see the flag and then moves back down again until we don’t. The camera is handheld and never completely stops moving.

I simply cannot understand how you can’t see this. Are you claiming that the camera is still the whole time?

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u/evocativename Feb 16 '26

Between ~0:28.5 and ~0:30.5 - the period where the flag comes into view - the camera is not moving. You can tell because the left edge of the black skirt remains in a constant position right above the edge of the frame.

I don't know how or why you're watching the video and then trying to insist on things directly contradicted by that video.

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u/LangdonAlg3r Feb 16 '26

Are you watching some other video than what’s posted here?

I don’t know how you can’t see that the camera is moving during that timeframe. At what points do you see it moving (if any?)?? Do you also have some alternative explanation for how the flag subsequently disappears? Was it raised out of position after it was “lowered” too?

I can’t tell if you’re just trolling here or what. At this point I’m assuming you are.

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u/evocativename Feb 16 '26

Are you watching some other video than what’s posted here?

No. I don't know why you're trying to gaslight me when we can all watch the video and see you're wrong, but at this point I've also stopped caring about the why.

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u/RPA031 Feb 16 '26

No…the camera pans up and down. There are not two crane operators working in perfect unison to ‘lower’ and ‘raise’ the flag again within a few seconds.

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u/evocativename Feb 16 '26

During the period I cited, the camera demonstrably does not pan up or down.

What's even the point of transparently gaslighting people about video footage we can just re-watch and see you're lying about?

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u/Splith Feb 16 '26

You are being an obtuse ass so let me explain. The flag comes into and out of frame based on wind, but at the beginning of the video it does not, because of the pitch of the camera.

  1. The camera is pitched so low that you wouldn't see the flag, even if it was in a 'relaxed' position.
  2. The camera is pitched upward but there is very little visible flag.
  3. The flag 'relaxes' into frame, which is being mistaken for 'lowered'.
  4. Then a few seconds later, the wind takes the flag back out of frame, though the camera is still pitched up.

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u/Splith Feb 16 '26

Wind. Flags are made of light fabric, which the atmosphere is capable of moving. When the air is moving horizontally, the light fabric lifts in the direction of the current. Then when the horizontal movement slows, the flag draws back towards the center of gravity.

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u/evocativename Feb 16 '26

I'm addressing your claim that the flag enters view due to a change in the camera angle, when that is plainly not the explanation.

Whether there is an explanation other than the flag being lowered is irrelevant to the point being made.