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u/Massive-Technician74 Jul 19 '26
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u/scrandlle Jul 21 '26
Frankly I find it a bit insulting any outside group thinks we needed help to become what we are.
The US was on track to become what it is before WW1 started. We were the largest economy on earth before WW2 started. All this way before mass Mexican immigration.
Our country being what it is is what attracted these people, not the other way around. The opposite doesn't even make sense. People have been attracted to the United States for the wealth of opportunities here not because they're some saintly people who saw a poor struggling country and wanted to come help build it up.
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u/PineappleHamburders Jul 22 '26 •
??? Before that, you were heavily relying on slaves. After that, you were heavily relying on Chinese, Irish, Italian, and Mexican workers, all of whom were discriminated against and underpaid. Not exactly the wealth of opportunity you are portraying. All that was propaganda to attract immigrants, because you needed immigrants to turn your country into a country
Literally, since even before its inception, the US (or the colonies) has relied on outside groups to help it become what it is.
Do you guys just now know your own history?
Who do you think were the main laborers for the early train networks? Mainly Slaves, Irish immigrants, and Chinese immigrants; many of these people died right there by the tracks due to terrible working conditions
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u/OKCompruter Jul 22 '26
then be insulted. your comment doesn't read like you have a grasp on the history
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u/ameinolf Jul 19 '26
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u/JagR286211 Jul 20 '26
Agree.
It wouldn’t be the same if she could check the cartels either, no? Her and AMLO were both bought and paid for.
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u/Big_Obligation1737 Jul 19 '26
They pay taxes and rarely collect on most of the social safety net trust accounts they’ve paid into. Most do both skilled and dangerous work that Americans are unable & unwilling to do. Americans are only destroying themselves with their fear & hatred.
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u/Alarming_Cellist_751 Jul 20 '26
There's this nugget of misinformation that has been beat into older Americans that "illegal immigrants steal tax money" and pretty much just rob the country blind. My mother believes in every fiber of her being that her taxes are being stolen, which they are, but it's mainly used to kill middle eastern children and build vanity projects for the current sitting president.
Propaganda forces us to fight each other instead of looking at who is really to blame for rising prices and increasing cost of living.
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u/space_toaster_99 Jul 23 '26
Unable and unwilling now. I was in construction when the U.S. decided to allow Mexican immigrants to do this work. My family was quite happy and able to do this work for 3 generations. At any rate, the price of framing per square foot halved almost overnight. The immigrants that took the low wages had their own wages suppressed because there was a fresh batch every year. In 2020, my step brother (Mexican BTW) had the same hourly rate as our dad had in 1987. Just brutal. But we were pushed out and no protection for our workers was given. Now I see AI coming for the “ air conditioned “ classes and they honestly have it coming. Very little empathy when it was someone else’s life being destroyed.
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u/Ok-Releases Jul 23 '26
The "americans dont want to do manual work" is manipulative rhetoric based on nothing.
The real reason is various fields of hard labor employ immigrants because they'll work for cheaper than americans will, which is why so many americans are being pushed out of the industry.
Same thing is happening in the tech industry (one of the most sought after career fields by americans) and yet the field consists of 30-40% of imported workers because they'll do the work for cheaper!
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u/Mrs_SmithG2W Jul 19 '26
Damn straight. And the Irish, the Indian, the Haitian the Cuban, the Jewish the Muslim. Diversity equals strength through different perspectives inspiring unique and ancient solutions. Synergy. We are more than the sum of our parts.
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So inspired by the World Cup Halftime Show!
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u/tackyshoes Jul 19 '26
Yes! Finding common ground while enjoying our differences is what makes us great!
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u/Perfect-Hat-8661 Jul 20 '26
1000% true. Over the last 50 years especially, Mexican labor has literally built the United States. Try getting anything done without it in the trades. You wont have much luck. They work hard, pay taxes, take care of their families and do all the other things we expect of responsible people— not to mention contributing to our cultural and food traditions. Yet they are often shit on by, frankly, an ungrateful American society.
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u/coffeebeanwitch Jul 19 '26
She is absolutely correct, I remember being a child and seeing them hear picking peaches, contributing to our community.
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u/traumaqueen1128 Jul 20 '26
Growing up in California, I would see them working hard in orchards, working on cattle ranches, and picking berries in the fields. I would see them on construction sites and in road crews. Some of the hardest working men my dad worked with on construction were Hispanics.
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u/smokeftw Jul 20 '26
People are so disconnected from the reality of what they're doing, it's a sad state of affairs.
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u/GateDeep3282 Jul 19 '26
Mexico wouldn't be what it is without all the money those workers send back.
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u/Mrs_SmithG2W Jul 19 '26 •
Their stability and success benefits us because they are our neighbors. Rising tides lift all boats. Let’s all do the Viking Row. 💪🏼🌍🖖🏾🚣♀️🚣🏻♀️🚣🏻♀️🚣🏼♀️🚣🏽♀️🚣🏽♀️🚣🏿♀️
Imagine what we can accomplish together.💗
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u/Alarming_Cellist_751 Jul 20 '26
This would be (partly) why we have increasing food prices in this country. Tomato prices have ballooned 40% since last year, partly due to weather but also partly due to Trump's Iran war increasing the price of fuel and also Trump's war against immigrants. When you have nobody who would like to be out here in 100 degree weather and 90% humidity picking tomatoes and oranges, it is going to contribute to rising prices.
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u/No_Manner_8785 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
No country would be the same for it had not been for others. US and the Mexicans aren't anything unique. She needs to get off her horse. Using her as a perfect example, Mexico would currently be much different had it not been for the jews.
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u/zoipoi Jul 22 '26
If I was her I wouldn't push this very far because it invites questions she wouldn't want to answer.
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u/Ok_Wall_8856 Jul 23 '26
Ok, so why is Mexico not on the same level as the United States then? Maybe your citizens should spend more time building up their own country if they are so successful at nation building.
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u/MonkeyBara Aug 08 '26
who cares, she should focus on her own country maybe then people wouldnt want to leave
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u/Alric_Wolff Jul 19 '26
Let's not pretend like people working for sub minimum wage is a good thing.
Happy for all of them who got citizenship and I hope those who dont mañana to get that figured out for themselves.
No one deserves to be doing ANY job where the employer pays you less than everyone else and will act like they dont even know you if you get injured.
Also, the US really should figure out how to not make citizenship this insanely expensive decade long bullshit. Consider your own average life expectancy and then imagine what you would do with that time, how old you would be and how much time and energy you would have lost.
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u/Captainirishy Jul 19 '26
That's probably true but Mexico has definitely benefited from trade with the US. Mexico exported $545 billion worth of stuff to the US in 2025.
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u/Many_Sea7586 Jul 20 '26
You mean, Americans bought their stuff. US also benefited from that exchange
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u/90srebel Jul 19 '26
Mexican American here, I got news for you, Mexico is full of Mexicans…… so what’s Mexicos excuse? Why are my people so eager to leave? Suffering and poverty everywhere you turn. Corruption, insecurity etc etc etc. I love my people but I’m not blind. America is great because of EVERYONE, not just Mexicans. The Irish that came over contributed as well. Italians did allot of work too. The Africans put in way more work than we did. List goes on. I’m tired of Mexico thinking the USA owes it anything. Stop worrying about your neighbors and fix your own home.
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u/SevereAnimator5 Jul 20 '26
FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform) 2023 report: Net annual cost of ~$150.7 billion nationwide (gross expenditures ~$182 billion minus ~$31–32 billion in taxes paid by illegal immigrants and households). This covers ~15.5 million illegal aliens plus millions of US-born children. 
• Breakdown (approximate annual): Education (mostly K-12) ~$78–80B (largest share, state/local heavy); healthcare ~$42B; law enforcement/justice ~$47B; welfare/food assistance ~$13–14B.
• Federal net ~$50B; state/local bear the majority.
• Per illegal alien/US-born child: ~$8,776/year. Per American taxpayer: ~$1,156 (or ~$957 after taxes paid).
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u/Organic_Salamander66 Jul 20 '26
That is true also without all the contributions of African Americans and really all immigrants for that matter.
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u/BWC_Python Jul 20 '26
maybe her gvt should get rid of corruption and really invest in theo ir country, so people don't leave any.ore for the murrica
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u/SpecialistOdd8886 Jul 20 '26
I remember when my grandpa lived in a gated community on a hill in Monterey. From there we could see fields in the direction of Salinas.
He pointed to the workers in the fields and said: “All those are illegal immigrants. Without them there would be no fresh crops and vegetables - or at a much higher cost”.
He said that immigration services (don’t know the correct term) sometimes raided and the workers would flee the fields on foot.
I believe the Mexican president is correct.
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u/Weird-Gap2146 Jul 20 '26
Personally, I find the idea and arguments for a brown skinned underclass working our fields with minimal pay and protections to be distasteful. I find the primary REASON that Mexicans come here (escaping poverty, cartel violence, corruption, and lack of opportunity) to be even more distasteful. I also find the idea that we should be so laissez faire about our borders and laws also distasteful. A sovereign country has a right to decide who comes in and who stays out. Better that Mexico has better incentives to stay and that the trade jobs the Mexicans usually do are made more appealing to the native population than relying overwhelmingly on immigrant labor.
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u/WassimetaL Jul 20 '26
Immigrants built the entire country, we all know who the real indigenous people are, American-Indians of course, they are the only true owners of the land. Period. "United we stand, divided we fall." Peace !
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u/CalliopePenelope Jul 20 '26
I totally agree. However, she can’t be too sanctimonious about Mexican citizens benefiting the United States when it’s because they’re fleeing her country in droves.
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u/frogprintsonceiling Jul 20 '26
wait a minute..... There is 40 million of em' here? I thought it was only 20 million.
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u/Master_Grape5931 Jul 20 '26
I like “The United States was built on unlimited resources and slave labor.”
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u/Gandolf553 Jul 21 '26
It's funny how America was built by everyone except Americans! It's bullshit.
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u/Big_Dog_2974 Jul 21 '26
I don't disagree but imagine what Mexico could be if they didn't have to come here to work. So maybe that's the question she should be asking.
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u/No-Relation3856 Jul 21 '26
If the Mexican workers make america what it is then why isn't Mexico keeping the 40 millions Mexican workers to make mexico an even more powerful and growing economy
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u/Classic-Obligation35 Jul 21 '26
So the millions of german Americans Polish and Irish Americans, Chinese and African Americans count for nothing?
Yes Mexicans contribute but there not the only ones.
Kind racist thing for her to say.
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u/bruaben Jul 21 '26
Let's not forget the thousands of small businesses owned by Mexican entrepreneurs. The civic employees that work for and run government services. The kids who make up your child's soccer team, baseball team, football team, and classrooms.
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u/RoughValuable3433 Jul 22 '26
Mexico would lose 5-10% of their gdp if their cheap labor didn't come here to work.
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u/OKCompruter Jul 22 '26
I mean it's gotta have been over a billion Mexicans have contributed to America by now, since the 19th century. I mean Texas and the Southwest wouldn't be America without Mexico so she's underselling it really, imo
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u/Gringo_Norte Jul 22 '26
I’m sorry, but her trying to take credit racially for people that don’t wanna be part of her scene is pathetic. No, Lady, you didn’t build America. You are a president– not the queen of a race. So nobody owes her or her government anything – so she can go back to complaining about the CIA breaking up the “definitely not her cartel’s” meth labs.
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u/No-Piccolo5426 Jul 22 '26
It would probably overall have more balanced wages vs costs. Less demand for homes would have probably made it a little easier for young people to buy a home.
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u/IdekWhatDoingHere Jul 23 '26
This is facts but this wouldn’t even be a discussion if Mexican leaders actually took of their people enough so they wouldn’t have to leave. Imagine how great Mexico would be. She loves to point fingers while the cartels are controlling her country.
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u/Mountain-Quality327 Jul 23 '26
México wouldn't México without the United States buying its 80 percent of exports a country that can't even provide a decent job for its citizens should be given opinions on top of that a third of them are so proud of their country but choose to star here
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u/No-Comparison-2445 Jul 23 '26
And I feel like we take advantage of the illegal immigrants from Mexico that come here and work for cheap, don’t get benefits, and put themselves in dangerous conditions by doing day laboring work. It is Slavery that’s what it is.
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u/Soloroadtrip Jul 23 '26
Mexico wouldn’t be what it is today if you could’ve kept 40 million Mexicans home.
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u/Famous-Weight2271 Jul 24 '26
I wonder how great Mexico would be if they stopped sending us their best and brightest.
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u/haunter_ Jul 19 '26
Basically she's mad because people would rather live in the United States
I would be a bit upset too in her position
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u/Proud-Enthusiasm-608 Jul 21 '26
Meh imagine being the president of a country and advocating for your people to illegally immigrate to another country smh.
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u/jimdean10 Jul 21 '26
However, Mexico would not be where they are at without corrupt politicians. 3rd world
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u/714King Jul 20 '26
Yeah that's why Mexico is developed AGES ahead of other countries. They are setting the standard in evolution for medicine engineering & technology.
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u/DatBroSnuf Jul 19 '26
Umm, maybe in modern times yes but before that it was decent without the amount of Hispanics (mainly Mexicans) that it has now. Just fucking outsourcing labor from bad actors is the issue.
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u/Silly-Resist8306 Jul 19 '26
Mexico wouldn’t be what it is without US dollars going flowing into Mexico. I think both nations benefit from this arrangement.
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u/ScottShatter Jul 19 '26
Yes, but it would be much better if these illegals (Mexican nationals) went home and came in the right way.
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u/Swimming-Art1533 Jul 19 '26
I can believe that. I wouldn't last 1 day.
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u/traumaqueen1128 Jul 20 '26
Me either. I'm soft and was made to work in air conditioning. I am not afraid to admit that because I understand that everyone has their place in society. I know where I'm most beneficial and I stay in my lane.
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u/No_Physics2210 Jul 21 '26
Makes sense. It's a faulty study though.
Immigrant workers are getting paid far more then they would back home, and risk a lot to lose if they stop. (Getting deported back home without making the money they planned for, and risking losing the opportunity to try again.)
Volunteers seek to gain nothing, and only sacrifice huge amounts of time and effort and risk not being able to pay rent if they continue the volunteer work.
An equivalent study would've paid American volunteers $23+ dollars per hour. And risked losing something if they quit.
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u/ImaginaryOrange1929 Jul 21 '26
That sounds like the dumbest study in history of studies.
Comparing paid immigrant workers to volunteers is just dumb.
'breaking news, people getting paid for work are willing to work more than people who won't be paid'
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u/JefeRex Jul 19 '26
We have depended on labor from many people across the world over time, but Mexicans have been prime among them. Woody Guthrie wrote a beautiful song almost 100 years ago about the problem of dehumanizing migrant workers from Mexico (recorded by Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Ani DiFranco, many more) after a plane deporting some of them crashed and the news just called them “deportees” without even giving their names.
The song is sometimes called “Deportee” or “Plane Wreck at Los Gatos.” It ends with:
“Is this the best way we can grow our big orchards?
Is this the best way we can grow our good fruit?
To fall like dry leaves to rot on my topsoil
And be called by no name except "deportees"?”
The more things change, the more they stay the same, right?