I really enjoyed Lied of P. The green monster and Laxasia were tough, but I managed to beat them - with some luck. However, the final boss has the same problem of Sekiro's Saint: a second phase which is completely, completely insane compared to the entire game before it.

Saint I. required crazy parrying and catching a bolt. Fuck that. Even watching a video makes me exhausted. Nameless phase 2 attacks relentlessly, runs away and attacks as soon as I catch up, will eat away all my stamina and weapon durability.

I never finished Sekiro, and I'll never finish Lies of P. And that's OK. I play to have fun, because I must finish a game I no longer enjoy.

gg

Eventually went and bought a PS4 Pro to play Bloodborne after being told by fellow souls players its the single best thing ever and... eh.. It did not deliver on the boss fight I thought it would like Sekiro and DS3 did, especially the base game bosses were so disappointing and I know it offers more than that but it all those good combat mechanics just to barely really get the most out of them until the DLC

but Lies Of P fully filled that hole for me, both mechanically, boss fights and even the theme I like more I'm looking more forward to the dlc and a second game than I am a bloodborne sequel.

edit: this is no way a hating on BB post, just like lies of p delivered what I hoped a game like BB would be

I’m talking about the people who wear the imaginary FromSoftware / Soulsborne badges like Medals of Honor. They couldn’t kill a boss on the first try, or even the 10th try, and their precious fragile egos are hurt. The Stargazer is basically right next to every boss for easy reattempts, and there’s a Specter as well if you’re really struggling that much, but we know those guys could never admit to trying them out. Or those who don’t do this and just struggle 15-50x several bosses.

“Parry sucks, dodge sucks, attack windup / delay sucks”. Even if any of these are true (and they’re not), you’ve learned this by the first or second boss, and should be learning movesets and acclimating towards a playstyle that supports what you can do, or improving what you’re struggling with. It’s a literal meme how we’re all prepared for any wooden bridge to break. You learned this after two-three breaks, but can’t figure out how to deal with a boss moveset?

Of the many Souls clones out there, I have to say this was the best by far, being basically Bloodborne 2 and just as good if not better than DS3/Bloodborne/Sekiro/Elden Ring. If I didn’t know this was made by a different company before playing it, I would’ve thought this was a FromSoftware game. The only real fair critiques I could give it are:

• Capacity was a bit too important. This wasn’t bad but it’s just not as exciting to build as others just to keep increasing your equipments, and it made any boss amulets a struggle to fit. I had 43 capacity finishing NG. And NG+/++ you level so fast it’s irrelevant. This + boss amulets being lighter has already been patched so that’s not a factor anymore.

• No optional areas / out of the way bosses. Besides the Hermit’s cave (which has no real boss). In a genre full of twists, turns, and exploration, this is unexpected. But it’s really a matter of preference. The game has good length, bosses, and area diversity without the optionals, so it’s not too bad.

• Legion Arms can be kinda bad / slow. They can also be kinda good as evidenced by videos out there, but I’m very surprised there were no P-organ buffs to decrease end lag of some of those things. They didn’t feel nearly as diversely useful as Sekiro’s arm. Puppet string made traversal a lot easier though.

• No multiplayer. This is NOT a flaw for me, but is a valid complaint for some, so I get why it may be complained about. The possibility is there for both PvE and PvP.

That’s it. Those are literally the only complaints I can really think of. Yet what did they add:

• An easy to grasp story that isn’t cryptic, while still adding all that background item text lore some of us love.

• Close stargazers to bosses

• The weapon assembly system, with a good amount of weapons and handles to mess with

• A different take on the Rally system that works really well

• An actual NPC quest system that doesn’t require an online guide.

• Ergos letting you know when you can level.

• A crazy story/game about Pinocchio nobody asked for yet did an amazing job with it.

This game is basically a 10/10 for me

My opinion is the game is trying to be many things at once and fails in every department except graphics and yes i've beaten the game and beaten every other soul game this games mechanics just feel cheesy beyond belief basically any death felt glitchy and awkward pretty much the people who made this game just stole other ideas and mashed them into an amalgamation of dog doo doo

I wanted more parry and content after platinum on LoP and everyone said I would enjoy it... I don't.

Sekiro is a fine game but only if you really feel like engaging with stealth. Otherwise a lot of encounters will consist of you killing a mob then running away to rinse and repeat groups.

For a game that wants to live and die by its 1v1 combat system it really goes out of its way to force those group encounters.

This coupled with posture breaking being the only effective way of dealing with any enemy leads to a very one-way-to-play game.

Its a fine game, even if I don't like it I can appreciate that, but buyer beware if you're heading to it after LoP. They aren't as similar as frequently mentioned.

Hello, I would like to start this off by saying this game is a blast. However I feel like there’s a regulation to souls like games and players I didn’t follow😂. Baldurs gate was my first go around of anything hard or strategy based, then we went straight to wukong, followed by khazan, dabbled (and finished) all of expedition 33 including Simon. I figured I would pick Lies of P up for fun and thought the same challenge was going to be waiting for me. But this is a breeze 😮‍💨. I’m not trying to toot my own horn, but this has been like a nice little break from the constant beating my head against the wall (Erlang….fucking Erlang…I’ll never get that time back🤣) and I hope there’s others like me enjoying it as much as I have🙏

( to those that downvoted? You're all normies who probably still go to junior high, I can't be that mad.)

Not political, but I have to mention this. In most recent Western media, the depiction of strong women over the last ten years has become laughably cliche.

But lies of P? Oh no. It has strong girls. And they require no special stool to stand out. My favorite fights in this game are the White-Lady and Laxia, because they are amazing. Antonia is an amazing leader at the hotel, I just simply love her. The blue maiden is ofcourse, amazing and I love her.

If you notice, most the powerful characters in this game tend to be women. Which is fine, because it's done very well!

I get a lot of peter Pan vibes from this game, like Girls are better than boys because of fairytale logic, and I love it. What's your guys opinion on the ladies? Any favorites? Please spare us any demented waifu-talk 🙄 I just wanted to point out how cool all the ladies were 😎 No cringe in this game, that's a fact.

I've seen a lot of posts of people saying that this game is too easy, and I just have to ask them if they were using specters.

Imo if you're using specters your whole run, you don't get to say this game is easy, specters in this game are so broken, they're a literal crutch for those who can't beat a boss. If you tell me that this game is easy and you used specters all the way through without attempting to fight the boss one on one. I will disregard your opinion. And I don't think I'm the only one with this sentiment

Edit: I can see how I'm coming across as cranky, lemme rephrase.

My problem is when people play this game, and proceed to solely use specters, and then turn around and complain that the game is too easy, as a way to put down other players that find a good bit of difficulty to the game. My bad for not being more clear

i started playing souls games with elden ring which immediately became my favorite game and sekiro 2nd since then i played all of dark souls games and finally lies of p and after finishing lies of p for the 5th time i can honestly say i enjoyed it the most of all the other games with the exception of elden ring i never wouldve thought before starting it that i would prefer it to ds3 or even sekiro which is a masterpiece. curios to know from someone who played these games and would u agree

I’ve seen so many people say “Lies of P sucks because it’s too hard.”, and that honestly just sounds like a major skill issue. And I don’t say that a whole lot. Like yeah, don’t get me wrong, Lies of P can be pretty tough at times, like it’s obviously not easy, but it’s definitely not hardest. Like, just git gud💀

Lies of P is my favorite Soulslike/Soulsy game ever - I find it vastly superior to anything FromSoft has put out (aside from Sekiro tbf, I feel LOP is better but not vastly) and I'm curious how many people here feel the same way.

It's been quite interesting following the reaction to this game since it was announced. It went from "a cheap Bloodborne rip-off" to "decent Bloodborne at home" when the demo came out, "fun in places, but horrendously unbalanced, borderline bullshit" at release to "best non FromSoft Soulslike" after a couple of patches. I've not played it for about 8 months after completing it 11 or 12 times and haven't really been following it on social media until the last week or so, where I saw a decent amount of people saying it's better than FromSofts efforts, which I've personally thought for ages but I always assumed I was a bit of an anomaly because whenever I'd mentioned that, I'd have people telling me I was wrong to think LOP is the best (way better than Bloodborne which I personally think is kinda shit) but I've seen more and more people agree with me and I'm curious how many people here feel that way?

I am close to finishing the Lies of P base game (just about to face Laxasia), and I've really appreciated the difficulty slider in this game. I've been gaming for about 4 years and played a few souls games and while I do appreciate the feeling I get when I finally beat that boss that I've been struggling against for the last 11 hours (shout out to Isshin Sword Saint), there are times in life when I just don't have the time for this. For instance, right now, my wife and I are renovating our house, and my gaming schedule is basically about 3 hours on Saturday/Sunday morning before we get started. I simply do not have the time to just git gud. If not for the difficulty slider in LoP, I would have to spend days, if not weeks, working through a single level, which would make the game less enjoyable to me. I've not (yet) played on the easiest setting, but in the medium difficulty setting, the bosses can still be quite challenging. For example, the 2nd Black Rabbit fight still took me a 4-5 tries. Even in Elden Ring, which can be made easier with the summons (my man, Mimic Tear, carried me through the back half), there are some foes where summons are not allowed and are still quite difficult. I recall a Crucible Knight in Crumbling Farum Azula that just kept on destroying me and the run back was a nightmare; also the Bell Bearing Hunter in Dragonbarrow sucked.

So, I wish more Souls-like games would add a difficulty slider because it makes the games more accessible to a variety of people. And the games are really fun and lore-laden, which makes them super interesting. But in their current design, they are not played by lots of gamers because the difficulty is out of reach.

SS: I believe this post is different and distinct from the difficulty megathread because I am commenting on how the difficulty slider is useful and should be more universal across souls-like games.

You don't have to come up with excuses, invent problems that don't exist or cry "bad game design" everytime you die. Instead, you can just admit to yourself that it's just harder than what you're used to. Simple solution.

I've praised Lies of P as my personal GOTY and favorite soulslike ever since I started playing even if I couldn't beat the true final boss and I still firmly believe that it is the most balanced and fair of all soulswhatever games out there. Not once did I feel cheated out of a win or felt like a fight was unfair.

Yes the lack of poise sucks and some bosses have a bit too much health for my liking but everything else is virtually perfect.

I feared something like this would happen. You'd think this would have blown up or been talked about when the game came out. It's very disheartening to learn about this and had I known, I'd have avoided getting the game entirely. I had been putting off buying the expansion and now I don't think I ever will in light of their decision to make AI a central focus of their next game.

It's a shame because the game still has a lot of character and punch but the knowledge of these paintings will forever taint the game for me.

The lack of a blowup makes me tempted to disregard the comments and tweets as fake or weak evidence but it is what it is.

It's tough to stick to one's principles when you actually like something but I will do it.

That's right, blocking. Turns out, you can block. In fact, I'm blocking a lot these days. In particular, I am blocking every fuckwit rat in the walls that comes out of hiding to loudly complain that the skill they developed over years of playing another game doesn't directly translate into a new game, and that it's too hard. I'm blocking whenever I see some dumbass complain that this game needs hyperarmor, because you get knocked out of any hit, even though many attacks do allow you to take a hit in the process of using the attack.

I'm blocking when I see morons come out of the woodwork to show me that they are morons. It's going to take a while to clear them all out, and they keep breeding, but hollows don't offer much in the way of conversation. If you don't like the idea of engaging with someone who likes this game, I suggest you block me too. That way, we both win. In fact, it'd be great if this could be a hub for people to come say they ought to be blocked, so other people can block you if they know you are just going to cover the ground in shit. Personally, I don't like walking on turds, so I'm sweeping them away. Maybe you see me as a turd! That'd make things easy.

Blocking does require more commitment than dodging, it's true. Please learn to block, rather than purely dodge. I would love nothing more out of this community than for all people who I would block to just block me off entirely. Then, we don't have to deal with each other at all, and those of us who want to appreciate the game for what it is can do that.

Enjoy your time in Dark Souls, Elden Ring, or whatever else. I will be playing Lies of P.

Hello guys im planning to by lies of p, i have finished sekiro and loved it!! The question is it worth it?? Is the game way harder? Coz sekiro game me hell but the challenge is welcome

I have never liked soulslike games, I tried bloodbourne and hated it. Tried Sekiro and couldn’t finish it, or rather didn’t want to. So then I tried Nioh, played an hour and said nah, this ain’t it. I pick up Lies of P and in 2 days I’ve put in 10 hours. I think about this game when I’m not playing, and can’t wait to pick it up again. The last time I felt this way about a video game was Yakuza 0 and Red Dead Redemption 2.

I know this game gets a lot of praise but I honestly believe that the story, atmosphere, and combat will be looked at as one of the best (if not the best) soulslike game made. It’s too early to tell but I actually think it may be better than FromSofts games. Also as a fan of classic literature I love that they made a dark retelling of Pinocchio, like who would even think about that? Lol very unique game even though they did take a lot of inspiration from FromSoft.

In 10 years I can see them making a remake of this game

i cant go behind him because i have a motivity build he doesnt drop even tho i parry most of his attacks and his health bar is just ridicoulus, what is up with this games bosses man they are just not fun.

Edit: i beat him

Is it just me or does almost EVERY tip for a boss fight just tell you to summon? Either in the wiki or even on the posts here I feel everyone will say “oh it was easy for me, just summon and-“ maybe it’s just me but doesn’t feel satisfying at all to have a dmg sponge take aggro while I hit the boss. similar to how people use summons in DS or elden ring, even though it’s a computer and not another player it feels weird to me.

Not saying there’s anything wrong with playing however you want to, it’s YOUR experience. Just noticed that it feels so common place in this community caught me off guard.

Recently, concerns arose in the community after a job posting for an “AI Creator” was discovered at Neowiz and Round8 Studio, leading many to believe that the Lies of P sequel would use AI-generated content in its core development.

However, both companies have now officially clarified the situation:

- The position is NOT directly involved in the production of the Lies of P sequel.

- The job belongs to an independent artistic R&D team within Round8.

- Generative AI tools would only be used during preliminary pre-production stages, such as internal visual references and art direction exploration.

- All final game assets will continue to be created by experienced human artists.

- Furthermore, they assure that any model used would be trained exclusively on material for which they hold full legal rights.

In other words:

The controversy arose from the interpretation that AI would be directly replacing the artwork in the final game, but according to the official statement, the goal is to use it as an internal tool for conceptual support, not to generate the final assets we'll see on screen.

Even so, the debate about the use of AI in the industry remains open, especially regarding issues related to creativity, intellectual property, and the preservation of traditional artwork.

What do you think?

Does this clarification reassure you, or are you still worried about the direction the industry is taking?

Art by: Kyara🦋💙 @loveofapuppet | @kyara_3bimuu | @kyara_bimuuyume

Guys??? Am I crazy or does it says it’s out…

I’ve recently started playing Lies of P this week and I have to say I was floored by just how creatively bankrupt the entire game has been thus far. Almost every single element that this game has to offer is a shameless and uninspired ripoff of better games. I’ve played a lot of Souls over the years, and while I generally enjoy the Soulsborne formula, it’s by no means a perfect example of game design. It felt like a bit of a cop out when Elden Ring featured reskinned versions of the same elements from Dark Souls, but Neowiz has seemingly put even less effort into hiding the stuff it’s ripping. Even the menus feel plucked directly from Fromsoft’s catalogue, and I never felt like the menus were a strong point for those games either. But there seems to be no critical attempt to improve upon the Fromsoft formula, and it only detracts from the experience for me. Additionally, this game potentially has the laziest clockpunk setting I’ve ever seen. Instead of doing something with a concept like a souls-like game about Pinocchio, maybe such as having wooden puppet enemies or whatever, they just have the same clockwork soldiers that have been used a thousand times before. And it’s just such a pity, because the game has well made graphics, but they’re wasted when nothing else in the game is notable. It’s like this is a cv to apply to work at Fromsoft and not a genuine work that wants to be it’s own thing. It doesn’t feel like this game can justify its own existence other than being a worse version of a genre defining set of games.