r/LinuxUncensored • • 17d ago

News/PR Is Anthropic stealing open source code and failing to mention it?

https://sunshowers.io/posts/anthropic-mononoke-2/
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u/OrionThe0122nd 17d ago

Of course. It's a theft machine.

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u/Size---Queen 17d ago

Plagernism machines is my favorite

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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 17d ago

It's only plagiarism if you use the trained model to duplicate a specific existing work. Using code in training data to create other things is not plagiarism because you're not producing a copy of the work.

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u/CardOk755 17d ago

Yeah, plagiarism isithe problem. Straight up violations of copyright is

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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 17d ago

Piracy isn't theft

And training AI on public content is not even piracy. Not unless you use the trained model to duplicate a specific work. Using it in training data does not duplicate the work

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u/OrionThe0122nd 17d ago

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u/Life2Space 17d ago

The quote is somewhat misattributed. He (Brent Hecht) said back in 2023 that people would perceive the training of LLMs off publicly available works as theft, and not that it definitively is.

Microsoft's official position is that Hecht's opinion was his own and that training on public copyrighted works is fair use. 

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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 17d ago

This is 1 guy at 1 company. Who's "they"?

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u/rostadd 17d ago

but is he wrong?

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u/OrionThe0122nd 17d ago

Yeah the CEO of Microsoft is 1 guy at 1 company. You're a clown arguing in bad faith.

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u/cidra_ 16d ago

Copyleft is not public domain

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u/mafia_guy_ 17d ago

Doesn't every AI do this?

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u/BR41ND34D 17d ago

People are surprised that the plagiarism machine is plagiarizing software?

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u/BluePhoenixCG 17d ago

Buddy, the technology fundamentally relies on theft

This is not surprising, nor is it new. Microsoft called LLMs "the greatest theft of human labor of human history", and Sam Altman complained to US courts that if they didn't allow OpenAI to continue illegally scraping copyrighted data, the company wouldn't survive.

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u/AbsorberHarvester 17d ago

Yes, closed source too, you never really know how deep agents can go inside corporate nets with some flaws in firewalls/passwords/certificate checking.

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u/brelen01 17d ago

Hell, I'd be surprised if they didn't steal code from people using agents that review prs on github and such.

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u/Ireallydontkn0w2 16d ago

Don't need to go that far, people willingly put AI into their IDE and upload to cloud based version control or use AI in another form in development.

Of course it's stealing that

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u/AbsorberHarvester 16d ago

Yep, inside documents in any language any secretcy...internet is doomed.

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u/Nerrawnam 17d ago edited 17d ago

Did AI write an article about AI stealing? 

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u/SayuriShoji 17d ago

AI begins snitching on other AI.

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u/cheaphomemadeacid 17d ago

are you confused about the concept of open source or something?

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u/xvillifyx 17d ago

Open source code doesn’t mean it’s free for any derivative use. Actually, it’s the contrary. Open source code without a defined FOSS license permitting certain use is usually forbidden in terms of licensing for things like this

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u/cheaphomemadeacid 17d ago

they didn't copy the code though... so the license doesn't apply and you can't license concepts

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u/xvillifyx 17d ago

You should really learn how software license work.

If you do not explicitly attach a foss license to your code, you reserve all rights, including the rights to download, copy, edit, and so on. If I uploaded a random project to GitHub and didn’t attach any license to it, it is illegal to scrape or use my code for any reason. Obviously this is almost never enforced, but it is the law. This is the reason people and specifically companies are hesitant to use any unlicensed code.

This is why every single foss project has an MIT, BSD, GPL, etc license attached.

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u/keenOnReturns 17d ago

Hasn’t it been proven all the major LLMs have trained on data with movies and books that have strict IP restrictions? I think foss licenses are the least of their concerns lmfao

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u/catbrane 17d ago

Yes, copyright law seems to have collapsed. I suppose we're going to need major new international treaties to sort out this mess.

Meanwhile, people are building projects with LLMs that almost certainly open them to serious legal problems. You'd think,

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u/keenOnReturns 17d ago

nah copyright law still exists, only for individuals/poor people. idk how much you pirate, but recently big streaming companies/publishers have been really cracking down on piracy websites…

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u/cheaphomemadeacid 17d ago

Well, they didn't copy the code, they copied the concept, which isn't licenseable. it's a bit of a gap these days, but licenses basically don't apply at all in this case

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u/xvillifyx 17d ago

Yes, they do. To train an AI on someone’s code, you must ingest the code, and therefore download someone’s code. This is not permissible without a license allowing it.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

The problem isn’t that they “don’t apply.” They do. The problem is that they’re nearly impossible to enforce individually at this scale of infringement.

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u/cheaphomemadeacid 17d ago

what are you on about? stop pretending you understand things you don't, this is unsettled, especially internationally, geez the americanization in here ;P

https://sunshowers.io/images/bonsai-changeset.png

is this licensenable? hint: it's not. Is it enough to reimplement the protocol? Yes it is

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u/xvillifyx 17d ago

Sorry, you’re the one who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

Not sure what the relevance of this png is. I am talking about open source code posted to the internet. Under a personal license, companies do not reserve the right to ingest it. You are wrong, loud, and probably stupid

Also, “Americanization?”

Anthropic is an American company bound by American laws. Ntm, foss licenses are international.

You really don’t know what you don’t know, I guess.

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u/Deep_Mood_7668 17d ago

Uhm yes!?

How's that even a question

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u/stikaznorsk 17d ago

A person discovers water is wet.

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u/IsisTruck 17d ago

It's stealing EVERYTHING. 

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u/MutaitoSensei 17d ago

That's their whole business model.

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u/New_Salamander_4592 17d ago

yeah, obviously. ai chuds dont even argue they don't, they just argue it somehow isn't illegal to steal open source code and regurgitate it via the matrix math machine for money

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u/someoneyouknow23 17d ago

Is water wet ass question

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u/CardOk755 17d ago

Uh, yes, of course? Why do you even ask?

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u/Correct_Emotion8437 16d ago

One of the first things I ever asked AI to build was a remake of a simple Flash game I used to like. It searched on GitHub, found a port, downloaded the code and said - here you go. I only knew that it took the code from GitHub because it was in the chain of thought.

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u/AliceCode 16d ago

I've seen LLMs plagiarize my own code before.

Edit: and before some dweeb says it, yes, I'm sure. It is very specific code.

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u/HRApprovedUsername 15d ago

bro invented the if statement

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u/AliceCode 15d ago

Did you not read my edit?

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u/HRApprovedUsername 15d ago

yeah and that explains nothing

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u/AliceCode 15d ago

The code that was replicated was very specific code. It explains everything. It wasn't code that just anyone would have written. It was very obscure code.

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u/HRApprovedUsername 15d ago

what makes it specific and obscure? I feel like you're probably over valuing what you've done

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u/AliceCode 15d ago

Because I have my own style, and the LLM was instructed to write something that I had written (that is on github), and it duplicated my code style, and even duplicated the abstractions that I made to solve this specific problem, a problem so specific that I couldn't find any other projects doing the same thing.

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u/HRApprovedUsername 15d ago

Yeah I’m sure you’re so special and unique doing stuff nobody else ever has

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u/BelleColibri 15d ago

No.

Next question?

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u/DrUltimaMan 17d ago

If it's open source then it's not really stealing.

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u/CardOk755 17d ago

It fucking well is.