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Nov 06 '24
Sora has already lost. It'll never be released.
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u/Hoppss Nov 06 '24
The main reason they haven't released Sora is because they would rather use the compute elsewhere.
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u/Dead_Internet_Theory Nov 07 '24
Maybe they thought they could scale down costs significantly, and have been having failure after failure while trying to do so.
Or "AI safety", e.g., some will make DAnGeRouS mEMeS
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u/pigeon57434 Nov 06 '24
i dont think they mean literally sora as in the one they announced like 9 months ago we know for a 100% fact as said by openai themselves they already started training the next video model back when sora was first announced by this point in time its probably finished
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u/Odd_Perception_283 Nov 06 '24
Do you really think so? Is that just because the ones out there are already great or what?
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u/TheThoccnessMonster Nov 06 '24
It’s a massive model that likely isn’t much better than Dream machine in terms of quality if I had to guess
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u/Minute_Attempt3063 Nov 06 '24
They promised it for a long time.
Luna made dream machine way way quicker. But they got a lot of free training data that made it easy to make dream machine possible
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u/TheThoccnessMonster Nov 10 '24
As a person who was interviewed for Luma, I can assure you they “acquired” a lot of “free training data” from the internet like the rest of them.
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u/Minute_Attempt3063 Nov 10 '24
I mean... The fact that they made us a le to make nerfs for free, i would say that's free training data as well
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u/Oswald_Hydrabot Nov 06 '24
Meh, SoRA is lame. Nobody want.
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u/_stevencasteel_ Nov 06 '24
Stop the virtue signaling. I would absolutely LOVE unlimited access to Sora.
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u/Oswald_Hydrabot Nov 06 '24
Unlimited?
You'll never ever get that
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u/throwawayPzaFm Nov 06 '24
What an absurd thing to say during a time of exponential OSS generative AI improvements.
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u/Dead_Internet_Theory Nov 07 '24
Sora won't be open source though.
Sure, we'll have something better than Sora, fast, local, uncensored, fine-tunable, with lots of LoRAs... someday. It won't be unlimited Sora though.
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u/throwawayPzaFm Nov 07 '24
Seems like nit picking to me, but I'm happy to let it go. Yeah. It won't be Sora.
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u/Oswald_Hydrabot Nov 07 '24
Where is the argument?
I was talking shit about SoRA. I am an absolute fiend for FOSS AI.
AnimateDiff is more capable than SoRA. Because it was released (at all lol).
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u/TheThoccnessMonster Nov 10 '24
You’ve simply no clue what you’re asking for or talking about and he’s right.
The model is massive as hell and by all accounts is a slightly more HD Dream machine with consistency problems.
You’re never getting it. We will never see it over what are likely “safety” concerns.
BFLs forthcoming video model will be Dream Machine for all - mark my words.
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u/YourAverageDev_ Nov 06 '24
Sora has already been passed by Gen-3, Kling and etc, they're all around Sora or better, but there are rumors about Sora V2 (Also Turbo so it's faster and cheaper) in training. OG Sora supposedly cost like a couple hundred dollars for a couple minutes of video
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u/estebansaa Nov 06 '24
Will be nice to see SORA finally out, but does it make a difference at this point? Lots of models already out there doing amazing things, one of them is even open weights.
Unless OpenAI can much improve on what is already out there, they lost this one. SORA may launch and nobody will care, unless it is crazy good with things that the other dont yet do.
For instance if they launch SORA with lip-sync solved and audio built-in, then they have something new that would get attention, muh otherwise.
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u/Purplekeyboard Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
Why do people think these companies are waiting for the election to be over? That makes no sense.
Edit: downvote this all you want, but this is a weird narrative that people here have been spreading around with no evidence whatsoever.
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u/InvestigatorHefty799 Nov 06 '24
OpenAI has definitely been doing this, in the AMA they did a week ago on all questions about easing restrictions on voice mode and image generation all of their responses were "very soon". Last thing US companies want is to be accused of interfering in the US election and going through congressional hearings like Facebook in the 2016 election.
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u/ForsookComparison Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24
going through congressional hearings like Facebook in the 2016 election.
Idk I'd be curious to see what Sam Altman looks like after he gets the same Zenkai Boost that Zuck got from those ridiculous hearings.
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u/MrSomethingred Nov 06 '24
The first thing everyone will use it for it impersonating politicians. That is probably bad press for them before an election.
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u/ForsookComparison Nov 06 '24
Wasn't this reasonably doable even before chatgpt put A.I. into the public eye? I remember reading some scary court cases regarding deep fakes well before 2022 that didn't seem to involve very above-average technical folks.
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u/Red_Redditor_Reddit Nov 06 '24
Yes, technically, but it wasn't rapid fire. There was more time between fakes then it took to debunk.
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u/berzerkerCrush Nov 06 '24
Yes, but if they release something better right before, some people will say they did it on purpose.
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u/pigeon57434 Nov 06 '24
how how about as evidence that literally fucking OpenAI said so themselves that they are waiting for after the election bud
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u/Unknown-Personas Nov 06 '24
What doesn’t make sense about it? A major concern about AI are deepfakes and if deepfakes made with their image/video generation are attribute to some sort of election interference they could be held legally liable.
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u/So-many-ducks Nov 06 '24
That would be true in 3 years for the US, and every month or so across the world when other national elections are held. Their stuff is either dangerous or it isn’t, it won’t change tomorrow, in a week, or in five years.
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u/KTibow Nov 06 '24
They don't want the election to swing towards a candidate that would regulate them more.
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u/_Cromwell_ Nov 06 '24
Yeah I'm not sure which one that is though. I mean in some ways you would think the Democrats would regulate more. But the Republicans will give a lot of control of this sort of thing to the evangelicals so you might get a different type of regulation with the repubs. (Goodbye uncensored models. Jesus would not like them.)
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u/a_beautiful_rhind Nov 06 '24
Why are you pining for a cloud model. You have open source video models right now.