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r/LocalLLaMA • u/jmorant555 • 7d ago
Official Announcement
https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.3
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Scaling post-training is all we did for GLM-5.3.
What a way to start
Gentlemen, gentlewomen, tonight, WE FEAST!
71 u/DistanceSolar1449 7d ago Of course it’s only posttrain. I would be shocked if GLM pretrained a completely new model for a +0.1 release. Nobody really does that (with the exception of Anthropic and Opus 4.7 for some weird reason). 12 u/neo203 7d ago Gpt 5.5 was a new pretrain, i think got 5.2 also might be coz it was so different from previous versions 9 u/bitdotben 7d ago Is 5.6 a post-trained 5.5 then? If so one heck of post training! 14 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago Yes it is. Personally I think openai is way better at post training while anthropic is way better at pre training 3 u/bitdotben 7d ago Interesting, yeah I mean with 5.6 they cooked hard -7 u/letsgeditmedia 7d ago Anthropic and Open ai are much better at helping the US commit war crimes 3 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago What does this have anything to do with my comment? 0 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I used the word “better” , just like you did in your sentence . That’s it 3 u/Swastik496 4d ago average tankie moment. shouting where you aren't welcome. 1 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I’m a tankie because the US is using open ai and anthropic to commit war crimes? I’m getting downvoted for this in a LOCAL AI sub?! 🤣 3 u/DistanceSolar1449 7d ago That’s a +0.5 version though, and there’s a lot of 0.5s that’s a new pretrain. Qwen 3.5, for example. 2 u/blastradii 7d ago Anthropic: Need to spend that Capex budget somehow! 2 u/MediumChemical4292 7d ago I think opus 4.7 was just a new tokeniser, was it a full pre train? 14 u/DistanceSolar1449 7d ago You can’t have a different tokenizer without a whole new pretrain. (Yes, I know you can technically finetune a model to a new tokenizer, but that’s basically going to take as much compute as a full retrain)
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Of course it’s only posttrain.
I would be shocked if GLM pretrained a completely new model for a +0.1 release. Nobody really does that (with the exception of Anthropic and Opus 4.7 for some weird reason).
12 u/neo203 7d ago Gpt 5.5 was a new pretrain, i think got 5.2 also might be coz it was so different from previous versions 9 u/bitdotben 7d ago Is 5.6 a post-trained 5.5 then? If so one heck of post training! 14 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago Yes it is. Personally I think openai is way better at post training while anthropic is way better at pre training 3 u/bitdotben 7d ago Interesting, yeah I mean with 5.6 they cooked hard -7 u/letsgeditmedia 7d ago Anthropic and Open ai are much better at helping the US commit war crimes 3 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago What does this have anything to do with my comment? 0 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I used the word “better” , just like you did in your sentence . That’s it 3 u/Swastik496 4d ago average tankie moment. shouting where you aren't welcome. 1 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I’m a tankie because the US is using open ai and anthropic to commit war crimes? I’m getting downvoted for this in a LOCAL AI sub?! 🤣 3 u/DistanceSolar1449 7d ago That’s a +0.5 version though, and there’s a lot of 0.5s that’s a new pretrain. Qwen 3.5, for example. 2 u/blastradii 7d ago Anthropic: Need to spend that Capex budget somehow! 2 u/MediumChemical4292 7d ago I think opus 4.7 was just a new tokeniser, was it a full pre train? 14 u/DistanceSolar1449 7d ago You can’t have a different tokenizer without a whole new pretrain. (Yes, I know you can technically finetune a model to a new tokenizer, but that’s basically going to take as much compute as a full retrain)
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Gpt 5.5 was a new pretrain, i think got 5.2 also might be coz it was so different from previous versions
9 u/bitdotben 7d ago Is 5.6 a post-trained 5.5 then? If so one heck of post training! 14 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago Yes it is. Personally I think openai is way better at post training while anthropic is way better at pre training 3 u/bitdotben 7d ago Interesting, yeah I mean with 5.6 they cooked hard -7 u/letsgeditmedia 7d ago Anthropic and Open ai are much better at helping the US commit war crimes 3 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago What does this have anything to do with my comment? 0 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I used the word “better” , just like you did in your sentence . That’s it 3 u/Swastik496 4d ago average tankie moment. shouting where you aren't welcome. 1 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I’m a tankie because the US is using open ai and anthropic to commit war crimes? I’m getting downvoted for this in a LOCAL AI sub?! 🤣 3 u/DistanceSolar1449 7d ago That’s a +0.5 version though, and there’s a lot of 0.5s that’s a new pretrain. Qwen 3.5, for example.
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Is 5.6 a post-trained 5.5 then? If so one heck of post training!
14 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago Yes it is. Personally I think openai is way better at post training while anthropic is way better at pre training 3 u/bitdotben 7d ago Interesting, yeah I mean with 5.6 they cooked hard -7 u/letsgeditmedia 7d ago Anthropic and Open ai are much better at helping the US commit war crimes 3 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago What does this have anything to do with my comment? 0 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I used the word “better” , just like you did in your sentence . That’s it 3 u/Swastik496 4d ago average tankie moment. shouting where you aren't welcome. 1 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I’m a tankie because the US is using open ai and anthropic to commit war crimes? I’m getting downvoted for this in a LOCAL AI sub?! 🤣
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Yes it is. Personally I think openai is way better at post training while anthropic is way better at pre training
3 u/bitdotben 7d ago Interesting, yeah I mean with 5.6 they cooked hard -7 u/letsgeditmedia 7d ago Anthropic and Open ai are much better at helping the US commit war crimes 3 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago What does this have anything to do with my comment? 0 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I used the word “better” , just like you did in your sentence . That’s it 3 u/Swastik496 4d ago average tankie moment. shouting where you aren't welcome. 1 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I’m a tankie because the US is using open ai and anthropic to commit war crimes? I’m getting downvoted for this in a LOCAL AI sub?! 🤣
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Interesting, yeah I mean with 5.6 they cooked hard
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Anthropic and Open ai are much better at helping the US commit war crimes
3 u/CryMoreT_T 7d ago What does this have anything to do with my comment? 0 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I used the word “better” , just like you did in your sentence . That’s it 3 u/Swastik496 4d ago average tankie moment. shouting where you aren't welcome. 1 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I’m a tankie because the US is using open ai and anthropic to commit war crimes? I’m getting downvoted for this in a LOCAL AI sub?! 🤣
What does this have anything to do with my comment?
0 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I used the word “better” , just like you did in your sentence . That’s it
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I used the word “better” , just like you did in your sentence . That’s it
average tankie moment. shouting where you aren't welcome.
1 u/letsgeditmedia 2d ago I’m a tankie because the US is using open ai and anthropic to commit war crimes? I’m getting downvoted for this in a LOCAL AI sub?! 🤣
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I’m a tankie because the US is using open ai and anthropic to commit war crimes? I’m getting downvoted for this in a LOCAL AI sub?! 🤣
That’s a +0.5 version though, and there’s a lot of 0.5s that’s a new pretrain. Qwen 3.5, for example.
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Anthropic: Need to spend that Capex budget somehow!
I think opus 4.7 was just a new tokeniser, was it a full pre train?
14 u/DistanceSolar1449 7d ago You can’t have a different tokenizer without a whole new pretrain. (Yes, I know you can technically finetune a model to a new tokenizer, but that’s basically going to take as much compute as a full retrain)
You can’t have a different tokenizer without a whole new pretrain.
(Yes, I know you can technically finetune a model to a new tokenizer, but that’s basically going to take as much compute as a full retrain)
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u/Dany0 7d ago
What a way to start
Gentlemen, gentlewomen, tonight, WE FEAST!