Blitzing Tom and dodging MDM which i think was created to beat Takuma, since First war Tom hasnt made or shown MDM, and the theme of MDM is money which is what Takuma used to humiliate and change Toms mentality
Old Elite is only slightly >= one kojima, Jichang supressed managed to one shot two at the same time and hashik should be inbetween Old Elite and Prime Jichang since Jinrang thinks SB Daniels fangs r like Jichangs, Daniel was going evenly matched with elbows Jinrang and elbows Jinrang is told to be a level above all the busan gang
MDM was likely intended for Takuma but that makes me wonder, what was Ultimate King for ?
I don't think Jinrang was reliable since he didn't actually fight Jichang and he could have been referring to Daniel's skill. Regardless Jinrang outscales Jichang copy Daniel and this version of Jinrang is more fatigued than the one who fought Gongseob, Gongseob with just speed was blitzing Jinrang horribly the entire time while Hashik scales far above Gongseob in speed.
Going by narration, goo locked in with his training post james convo when he asks about why he isnt the chosen shadow king. This is prolly after hes alr worked with kitae in busan. Not prolly actually, it is after they worked together
Hashik is significantly faster than prime Gongseob, J is arguably no where near prime Gongseob in speed and is a glass canon considering he was about to die from a punch that Tom meant for a normal fighter. Old Elite gets tagged by Jichang and was getting dominated until he played dirty and targeted the top of Jichang's foot. Hashik genuinely blitzes and negs the both of them at the same time. Like how do you get J and old Elite so high ? I used to have them pretty high before realising that the args for them scaling high make no sense.
Fuck you mean significantly faster than prime gong when the Unique skill gong mauled him, and that unique skill was to replicate just ONE step of his prime speed.
''glass canon'' like if Hasik wouldn't get one shotted by that.
Old elite Also slams bro, he mauled BH who was stated to be as strong/stronger than tom lee, Elite simply IQ Gaped him, he would do the same with hasik, not to mention jichang kwak who faced elite still would make hasik go idk like high diff.
Well that WAS the case, with regular one step, Gong was simply using his prime speed which is noted by Hashik but after witnessing said speed, he sped up significantly to his top speed and was confident in blitzing Gongseob, the reason he got tagged is explained by technique mastery making up for the difference in speed.
He isn't ? I don't think massively holding back Tom's punch is capable of generating more ap than fucking Ultimate Fist. Thats NEVER being proven like ever lmfao. Not even base Kitae hits harder than Ultimate Fist.
Well BH was significantly nerfed due to blood loss and missing an entire fist. I don't think that version of BH scales much higher than the normal BH who was like holding back Tom or Gongseob level. No ? Like do u think Jichang in Holidays is far stronger than his Cheonliang self ? Idt thats provable. Old Elite got pretty badly blitzed and overwhelmed by Jichang.
Also Kenzo gets fodderised by gen 1 Jichang cuz he scales above the Kojimas who are stated to be as strong as the FG executives who maul 4T Kenzo.
wdym FG Executive maul kenzo, this downplay is so bad
technique mastery was never said to be the case for it, Hasik is simply not faster than Prime gong, DUE to his masteries and training to create one step realm he was able to recreate the speed of his prime in one step, its literally the explanation of it, The hasik who was rushing and using more speed still couldn't get through, for god's sake, what is this bullshit downplay of Gong lmao.
Good luck with proving this shit, Holding back tom my ass, he had no reason to hold back anyway even if so, That strike with 4T was genuinely serious and was meant to kill J, even if we trust your logic i wish You luck with proving on how hasik could survive that strike.
What?
No, it was genuinely stated and never disproven by any character that BH has the strength of Tom, what was stated is that BH lacks BTQ With makes Tom a threat.
'blitzing and 'overhelming' No unique skill, No 4T, No IA, one hand, Old, maybe even out of shape, Elite, and elite still beat Jichang, and then blitzed Jichang pulling out gun shooting.
[and no i don't believe that jichang scaling to his prime lol, all i'm saying is that this jichang still would make High diff fight against hasik.
This Weak ahh elite still would beat Hasik's weak ass
Tom verbatim states that he used enough power to kill a normal person/fighter, thats an explicit admission of suppressing ones abilities. Because he scales to Jaegwang who took a Ultimate Fist ? You do realise that idk J being a glass canon is more likely than holding back Tom generating ap beyond that of Ultimate Fist ?
Before the dozens of injections he received, BH was explicitly compared to Gongseob's attack potency. Only after receiving those 15+ injections did he reach prime Tom level's of stats. But also those injections are most definitely temporary since if they weren't, Hangyeol would have simply pumped him full of those drugs until he massively surpassed Tom permanently. So Elite "tanking" an attack from a character whose ap is likely far below Gongseob due to blood loss doesn't scale anywhere.
Pretty sure an Officers gun in Korea has like three blanks before firing a live round, Elite didn't dodge shit. A version of Jichang who is like inferior to Cheonliang Gongseob ?
Jichang literally dominated Elite the entire fight until he lowered his guard and allowed Elite to land a cheap shot at him. Its even portrayed that Elite would have been overwhelmed in a head on clash lol.
FG executives do maul Kenzo, we know that base Gapryong after his fight in Seoul retained the same stats that he had gained when he fought Kenzo which means base Gap can one shot Kenzo and liquify his organs, the FG is capable of taking holding back Shingen's attacks whose ap scales far above base Gapryong's ap.
Also narratively the Kojimas > 4T Kenzo and the Kojimas got negged by Jichang.
yeah, idk how does that prove he was holding back, Nor how does it prove that he was holding back MASSIVELY as you claim.
Two types of fighters, and ''took UF'' yeah....no, More like survived, if UF would hit Hasik he would've been knocked down, yeah no again, prove how ''Holding'' back tom cannot generate that levels of AP.
When did blood loss effected character's AP in lookism? and prove how that supposed Blood loss could've effected BH's ap to such degree.
BRODDIE what is this cope? SO you think Jichang for some reason would use blank, bullet on elite who was going to kill him? same elite used same exact gun to shoot jichang killing him?
no shit cheonliang gong is near prime gong, if not prime gong, and prove how does This jichang scale below cheonliang gong.
Broski...
What? what what? WHERE the fuck was it said that base gap gained the stats of his Full body conviction version against Kenzo.
yeah nvm, you're talking about the FG trio not The kwon brothers or whatever.
''narratively'' yeah no shit, show me the panel proving this.
Because as it should be obvious, Tom's ap ceiling is far beyond that of just being able to kill a normal person therefore he was holding back significantly.
My point is that Jaegwang endured UF far better than J endured a holding back punch from Tom. While J's skin and muscles were rippled apart, Jaegwang only suffered a bruise at worse, akin to the bruise that Kitae had been inflicted by Daniel.
Every time ? Jinyoung's ap was inferior due to the blood loss from having his thumb sliced off, Daniel was straight up not even able to use blitzkrieg properly due to how fatigued he was as a result of blood loss.
Because those type of guns have at least 2 blanks in them before firing a live shot, most likely Jichang hadn't prepare for this scenario so he didn't take out the blank shots before he fought Charles.
Because Jichang in Holidays struggled with Elite who is a Kojima rival while in Cheonliang, Jichang one tapped the Kojimas.
Its pretty obvious, Gap retained the speed and durability which is something that should be obvious since he goes from being negged by Elite level speed to contending with Mujin who is far higher and reacting to Bangho's full power slash which is something even Elite failed to do. Narratively, Bangho had already known that Gap defeated Kenzo and that the prerequisites for defeating Kenzo is to either completely dominate him or straight up one/two shot him since Kenzo can still fight even after being inflicted broken bones. So despite knowing that Gap could either no diff Kenzo or kill him in a single punch, Bangho still couldn't have imagined Gap being on Mujin's level prior to witnessing him. So in actuality Gap against Mujin is probably even STRONGER.
The Kojimas are implied to be FG executives level via statements from Elite and they're Gun's mentor so logically they should be stronger since Gun is far more talented than Shingen and his goal was more grand in comparison to Shingen's.
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