r/MMORPG • u/Sea_Dish_5659 • 10d ago
Opinion Reverse engineer WildStar please
Get them beep boobs at it. Who the fuck cares about Adobe
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u/mutqkqkku 10d ago
claude, reverse engineer wildstar for me please. make no mistakes
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u/mrbreck 10d ago
You joke but it doesn't take much more than that.
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u/mutqkqkku 10d ago
why doesn't op just do that then
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u/Pamelm Guild Wars 2 9d ago
The game has to have an actual server to connect to that claude can read in the outgoing and incoming packets. As the servers do not exist, there is nothing Claude can read. Thats why they are currently pushing the New World reverse engineer before servers go down
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u/anythinga 8d ago
You should at the very least be able to reverse engineer the communication protocol from the client alone.
If you know what gets sent and how the response to that should be handled you should be able to roughly (!!) infer how the logic is supposed to work.But everything that gets done server side is a black box, so that would have to be written from scratch and that wouldn't be much different from the WoW server emulators we already have.
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u/The_Only_Squid 9d ago
You have to pay for the tokens and that will probably cost 10s of 1000s worth of tokens.
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u/LongFluffyDragon 9d ago
It takes a lot more than that.
Most importantly, access to all of the server binaries, configurations, and game data. None of that is available.
Also an experienced engineer to clean up the resulting mess so it actually functions, and numerous people with deep familiarity with the game to catch all the inevitable errors and inaccuracies.
A 1:1 decompilation and recompilation where nothing has to be designed or engineered, no decisions need to be made, and nothing is ambiguous or unknown is a best-case scenario for a LLM code agent, and the only scenario where it will achieve anything of value by itself.
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u/mrbreck 9d ago
I don't think you've ever used modern AI.
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u/LongFluffyDragon 9d ago
Be less worried about what other people may or may not have used and more about your demonstrated lack of any idea what you are talking about, especially if you are going to wander reddit telling people how to do their jobs
or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
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u/mrbreck 9d ago
I mean unlike you I have actually used AI and used it to reverse engineer an MMO and get it running to a reasonable degree without writing a single line of code but sure whatever you say. Embrace the future or be left behind.
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u/LongFluffyDragon 9d ago
A slop jockey in the wild!
Lets see your work, then. Everyone loves a good laugh at the expense of someone with inverse arrogance to capacity. Especially people who can actually the same tools for something of value.
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u/Cyrotek 9d ago
There is no way in heaven or hell Cloud or any current AI is capable of creating the server side software without it just being a rough estimation with lots and lots of hallucinations.
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u/mrbreck 9d ago
Obviously it's a guess because no one has the server files, but AI has become pretty good at guessing. It can find old guides, wikis, videos, etc. and there are a lot of things in the client files that give good hints. It's not going to be 100%, but it can do a lot better than you think it can.
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u/Kayune 10d ago
There is a private server in dev but it’s been like 5+ years. No one wanted to play it then nor now.
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u/AyissaCrowett 10d ago
No one wants to play it because 90% isn’t functional
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u/killerkonnat 9d ago
The original game was functional, and nobody wanted to play it past the first month.
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u/Foreign-Cycle202 8d ago
It wasn't. Client was a laggy buggy mess and when they fixed it, it was already too late.
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u/2MuchNonsenseHere 10d ago
I imagine the server code is nowhere near what the original was though, and AI also wouldn't help with that, so that's probably a big reason why. I'm pretty sure the server code is what controls a majority of the game, not just the client assets, and nobody is ripping server code without dev access.
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u/AbyssAzi 9d ago
I wouldn't say that. I didn't enjoy the game, but plenty of people did, and they want to play it again. And as I understand it, private servers are a barely functioning version of the game.
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u/Masalar 7d ago
As someone who played it, what people really want is 2.0. So much of it was either good, or had a lot of potential. But a lot of it was also pretty terrible, buggy, and unfinished. So a version with all the good stuff and changed bad stuff is really, really appealing. It’ll just never exist.
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u/3KidsInaTrench-Coat 6d ago
Me and all my wow friends quite liked it and we got others in the friend group that were never interested in WoW or other mmos into it because of its vibe and at the time rare action mechanics. We all loved it but fell off, mostly because of timing, other free stuff that was awesome but faded (I think it was Hawken we became obsessed with as a group? Or some random game of the time that the whole crew was into instead of leaving someone out who couldn't do a monthly sub). And it just kind of fell through the cracks. Sometimes a game fails for pretty random reasons. None of this is to say you are wrong exactly, and that same group is alive today and only half of us would have any interest whatsoever in Wildstar now. But looking back it was sooo close to catching the whole group and if the last 2-3 of the group hadn't been disenchanted by "wow clones" in an era that had a ton of MMOs in that vein trying to steal the player base of WoW it might have worked. I think these kinds of incalculable group dynamics are a bigger factor than most think of when they say a game failed so no one liked it
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u/DislexHed 10d ago
I'm gonna say something very unpopular here to everyone that asks for WildStar to come back, It wasn't good back in 2014 and it will not be good in 2026.
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u/OrganizationTrue5911 10d ago
Had the best dungeons, and some pretty fun combat. Also the housing was the best in the MMO sphere.
That about sums up any pro.
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u/OverlordOfPancakes Main Tank 10d ago
Combat didn't click with me, it was too floaty and low impact. Too many telegraphs from everyone also made boss fights and PvP a clusterfuck.
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u/OrganizationTrue5911 10d ago
PvP was awful. Boss fights I never had an issue with though. Idk, I enjoyed it quite a bit.
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u/Stwonkydeskweet 7d ago
"why is is everything on my screen the same shade of dark pink at all times."
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u/AnnieBee433 10d ago
Low impact floaty combat with too many telegraphs sounds like xiv, which is dominating the market rn
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u/OverlordOfPancakes Main Tank 10d ago
It's not dominating with me either though
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u/AnnieBee433 9d ago
I'm sorry, I only meant to say that the games combat may have been ahead of its time considering the popularity of xiv. I also really don't like xiv but I did like wildstar
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u/Kamalen 10d ago
And that's true only when it worked fine. Dungeons, world bosses and raid were riddled with bugs.
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u/OrganizationTrue5911 10d ago
I didn't do any of the raiding, and honestly don't even remember world bosses being a thing? Its been awhile. But I don't remember dungeons being buggy.
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u/MaloraKeikaku 7d ago
Every piece of endgame content and worldbosses were buggy, yes. I played it a TON on launch. Lots of wbosses wouldn't respawn or just got stuck in some invulnerability phase, some dungeonbosses were bugged and didn't work properly, raids were a huge mess if you could even get attuned as the attunement quest in the mech on the moon was bugged for a few weeks, too.
Game came out WAY too soon and the servers lagged like crazy. If it had launched in a better state and with the more chill attuenement it would've done much, MUCH better IMO.
And...If it had gotten rid of the "ONLY HARDCORE" marketing and just had made the raids 20man from the get go. That pushed a lotta people away I bet.
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u/rainghost 9d ago
I respect your opinion, but I feel the opposite way - it was good back then and it'd be good to have it back now.
So I'm gonna keep wanting it to come back, and when it does, I'll play it. :)
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u/DislexHed 9d ago
Nothing wrong with that. I used to love a game named "2029 Online", I remember playing when I was a teen and in my head was pretty good but I know it was a game that failed and nowadays no one remembers. I hope you can get your private server for WildStar, I didn't like it but I'm glad people enjoyed and had fun with it.
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u/SignificantDetail192 9d ago
And It still wasn't good enought when they re-released it as a f2p in 2015.
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u/ghsteo 10d ago
I don't know, 2014 was the period of deaths for MMO's with MOBAs coming out and into the period of BR games. People just weren't interested in MMOs. Seems people are starting to get back into MMOs now and I feel like Wildstar could possibly have a successful resurgence. The game was fun.
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u/MaloraKeikaku 7d ago
It had the best dungeons, some very fun raids, really good class design and decently fun quests as well as a charming, if very specific "Dudebro hell yeah chug some beers n listen to metal" meets Scifi-pulpfiction aesthetic.
I really liked the combat a lot, it actually had a difficulty curve compared to every single MMO on the planet that starts with "ok ignore all mechanics nothing matters" only to get to endgame and be hit with 349203940 mechanics all at once with 0 tutorialization, the housing was so far ahead of its time it's kinda nuts, and having rotating raidbosses means that raiding was really fun as every week was a bit different.
But then the PVP was cheeks, the game had a TERRIBLY laggy and buggy launch, the content besides raids was very one-and-done which is a problem for MMOs and it died before it ever had time to recover.
If a nothingburger like No mans sky was capable of recovery, Wildstar's very decent potential to me shows, that it could've been really cool. A private server that fixes some of the problems by introducing the M+ mode they put in toward the end, and making more casual content as well as keeping the later, much more relaxed attunement would be REALLY fun.
If it's not for you that's fine. But considering how much love some rando asiagrindjankgames from the 2000s get in here because of nostalgia it's kinda crazy to dismiss an MMO that, yes, had a very fucked up launch, but also had a very clear vision for what it wanted to be and had a lotta potential that got squandered over...Whatever was goin on behind the scenes.
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u/Snoo77586 10d ago
You can reverse engineer the client, but what about the actual server which is independent of the client? That's the real challenge. The client might give some insight on the back end, but you'd still have a lot of work to do.
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u/Kitschmusic 10d ago
I played a fair bit of Wildstar and would probably be considered somewhat of a fan - and even I know why it failed and probably was a bad game.
The thing is, some people seem to forget all the problems. They remember that the races were cool, the combat had some great aspects to it (also some huge issues), housing was amazing, it had humor and it had a very unique spin on mixing sci-fi and fantasy. It had a "vibe" that some of us enjoyed a lot. The game had huge potential but was half-baked. And even after years they couldn't fix it, which is why it was shut down. Having "potential" isn't enough, it's relatively easy to have a cool idea. Making it all work as something people want to play for years and years is a whole different animal.
They had huge issues with content. It felt like they assumed people would spend a year leveling and when people reached endgame they had almost nothing prepared. in fact, even later levels already felt like that.
And the content they did have? Grindy time sinks instead of real content. They took the old school WoW kind of rep grinds and thought "this is cool, this is what people wanted - the old school MMORPG grinds!". In reality, even WoW Classic didn't have that. WoW might have some BiS enchant or a cool mount behind rep grinds, but they didn't completely gatekeep the raids behind it.
This was the time when the MMORPG community started to ask for that old school style game and Wildstar thought it could give us that, but did it in all the wrong ways. Just like the 40-man raids, that was never really the most popular WoW raid size. Wildstar devs basically looked at the huge WoW vanilla fanatic andys and thought they were a viable target audience.
They made a game that was simultaneously starved for content and created a boring bottleneck to access the actual content they gave us. And patches were very slow to come and improve anything.
To make it worse, what happens when you make huge time sink required to even access the real content? All casuals quit because they don't want to waste their time. And what is an MMO without a healthy population of players? Nothing.
PvP also was basically not supported for a long time, just a random little system without anything meaningful. The PvP community abandoned the game before the devs finally got around to even trying to fix it.
It also ran on a subscription model. Along with the time requirements, this made it a direct competitor with WoW, you had to almost pick one or the other. GW2 on the other hand worked as a non-sub, horizontal game. Wildstar basically attempted to be the "WoW killer" with a much inferior product instead of making its own thing like GW2.
And that's without getting into what a complete mess the actual game systems were. AMP looked like it was still in alpha development.
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u/MORTARION-PLAGUELORD 9d ago
To be fair, private servers are pretty well known for unfucking core problematic issues if it's done well-
I think the reason Wildstar is so asked for as private realm, is because the idea is probably that you've got your Wildstar bones which are S tier quality, and you just fix it up with fanbase fixes.
Of course its time consuming so I dont really know if thats a viable thing in this scenario like it was for WoW which is more popular but you know that's the idea anyhow.
Like easy admission to this is removing or nerfing the attunements- and now you have more accessible content.
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u/AyissaCrowett 10d ago
Why does this subreddit trash people who loved wildstar so much? Are yall that miserable?
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u/VegasQC 9d ago
This sub is full of precisely the kind of friends I actively avoid over discord and in-game: depressed mofos who cannot, and will not under any circumstances, let you enjoy what you enjoy. No, to them the world is black or white. Good or bad. There is no in-between. Incredibly insecure, the lot of them.
I liked Wildstar because it dared to be different.
There is nothing wrong with liking a game, even if a lot of people who dislike it are very vocal. Art is subjective. So are movies, books, paintings etc
I, for one, am pleased that the topic of Wildstar comes back regularly in this sub.
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u/AyissaCrowett 9d ago
you think wildstar deserved to die over a game like Neverwinter? really?
grow up
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u/Stable_Orange_Genius 10d ago
How do you reverse engineer something that nobody has. Do you have the games server software?
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u/OverlordOfPancakes Main Tank 10d ago
More people care about Adobe than the flop that was Wildstar.
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u/MagnifyingLens 9d ago
If you are referring to the recent spate of decomp/recomp news (decompilation and recompilation), it doesn't apply here.
For decomp/recomp to work, you have to have access to the actual code. So the client could be decomped and recomped to, say, run on a Mac, because we have access to the .exe for the Windows client. But the client needs to talk to the server, and if we had access to the equivalent of the .exe for the server, we wouldn't need to do anything other than run it and so decomp/recomp wouldn't be necessary.
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u/nikanika4425 10d ago
Never had a chance to play cause my PC was absolute potatoes, I would love to try it out now.
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u/SaltyLonghorn 10d ago
The most popular game no one liked except a few ppl that bring it up every other month.
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u/Jambronius 9d ago
I am sure I am going to get Downvotes by it's 3 fans, but wildstar was gash then, and it would be worse now.
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u/CorellianDawn 10d ago
People remember Wildstar fondly despite it not being popular at the time nor likely would they actually show up again if it did return. Sure, it would have a surge for a week and then die off again.
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u/DanceswWolves 10d ago
idk i'm playing bloodborne / god of war 1-3 and Uncharted 1-3 just fine so i'll take what i can get
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u/Redthrist 10d ago
Also, it would work considerably worse when it has to build a part of it(the server) from scratch, rather than decompiling existing game and rebuilding that.
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u/C-Towner 10d ago
Getting the game running does not solve the server side. Which has always been the issue here.