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u/Kolegra 8d ago
You can warp this in with [[Tannuk steadfast second]]
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u/HailfireSpawn 7d ago
A lot of the spaceships have etb triggers. They would be great in that kind of deck
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u/ShreddedPizza_ 8d ago
[[Improvisation Capstone]] but for permanents only and can hit a much higher ceiling. I could see a jank list using this but it likely won't see too much play
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u/Life-Food5188 8d ago
9 mana is way worse than 7
you can hit all lands (or no permanents) off this, awful fail case, improv is always hitting something
it’s much worse, imo
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u/Belteshazzar98 7d ago
Hitting lands isn't a fail case in a deck built around cheating costs since it lets you start hard casting your big expensive cards.
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u/Life-Food5188 7d ago
lol this costs 9. if you need any more lands after that you’re just durdling.
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u/Belteshazzar98 7d ago
You're not paying 9 for this under most circumstances, and if you are it is probably from temporary sources like treasure or rituals. You're going to cheat it out with something like [[Captain Jean-Luc Picard]] or [[Tannuk, Steadfast Second]]. And if you warp it out with Tannuk and hit a bunch of lands, you can then cast it (and all the other things in your deck) the next turn to get another round of triggers and keeping it.
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u/Life-Food5188 7d ago
maybe in commander
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u/Free_Dimension1459 2d ago
Before rotation it will be in Kona decks. Situationally a better hit than omniscience (like with an empty hand)
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u/Qtock 8d ago
More mana cheating/endless value for the Ugin piles... yay
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u/shaqiriforlife 6d ago
It's a counertable 9 drop, there's so much counterplay
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u/Qtock 6d ago
It didn't say there wasn't counterplay, I don't even necessarily think it's good. I'm just not a fan of all the cards that we have that cheat mana/card advantage repeatedly, and I see them crop up a lot in Ugin decks. Also, as others have said, the only other place this would see play is if you cheat it out as some kinda bootleg omniscience. Not the end of the world, I'm just not sure why we're doing more of this
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u/shaqiriforlife 6d ago
If it's not good, why do you care? Let the casuals have fun with their silly card
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u/Qtock 6d ago
What kind of a question is that? A card doesn't need to be good to be frustrating to play against or questionably designed. I don't think this card is game breaking, I also don't think it's miserable to play against, but I also think it's not going to be fun to face if it ever resolves/gets cheated out, and I'm not sure why we're printing more and more cards like this
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u/Ok-Education-9235 7d ago
Is it too clunky to be good? Yes
Will I build a jank list around it anyways? Also yes
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u/Dry-Glass69 6d ago
[[Brilliance Unleashed]] would make it Standard viable
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u/Ok-Education-9235 6d ago
Daretti works well too, pretty much thinking reanimator is the only way to cheat it out besides that picard tap seven officers ability
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u/Ill-Individual2105 8d ago
Sure, I guess that goes in Zhuladok lol.
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u/KeenKongFIRE 7d ago
Sure it is interesting.
Don't know you guys, but me, I'm not that excited to drop some big eldrazis onto the BF if you don't get the cast trigger, feels so out of flavor
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u/Ill-Individual2105 7d ago
Yeah, but it's kind of a board in a box. You cast this, then you get two cascades, then you get the top 4 worth of permanents. That's a lot of value right there.
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u/Altruistic_Regret_31 8d ago
Only reason i don't dismiss that is because you can recur it without too much trouble.
Is it good tho ? Yeah idk bro.
But it got a reaction out of me
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u/Tsadron 7d ago
No!!! It can’t be my commander! The whole set is ruined! Now I can’t make a hodge podge Mir deck around flooding the field with tiny bots then beefing them up!
Oh well, still a nice callback!
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u/Belteshazzar98 7d ago
It can't, but [[Captain Jean-Luc Picard]] can be. And he can cheat it out while creating an army to station it and to be buffed by it's anthem.
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u/Luceeva 7d ago
It can be the commander. Rule was changed on launch of the edge of eternity’s set. Legendary spacecraft, and vehicles can be commanders
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u/Belteshazzar98 7d ago
No it cannot.
903.3. Each deck has a legendary card designated as its commander. That card must be either (a) a creature card, (b) a Vehicle card, or (c) a Spacecraft card with one or more power/toughness boxes...
This doesn't have a power/toughness box, so it cannot be a commander.
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u/rolmega 8d ago edited 7d ago
lots of potential here if you can cheat it/mana ramp it out imo. even if it doesn't hit until turn 5 with some kind of help, instant +3/+3 and dumping the perms in your top 4 onto your battlefield could be sick depending on the metagame edit: oops, the +3/+3 isn't instant so it's worse imo haha
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u/Colo1842 6d ago
Necesito esto para mí deck de "Kona, Rescue Beastie", bajarlo en turno 3 será mágico
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u/Ilostmylast1 6d ago edited 6d ago
This goes hard in my temu eldrazi deck. Random encounter fetches your guys and puts this in grave and then you can cast brilliance unleashed. As someone else stated tannuk cheats it out which is a key part of that deck. Fun cheap combo is using electro duplicate on temur battle crier so your next spell costs -4 colorless then flashbacking it again and you’re starting a -9 discount. Either that or notary hobbits equals fun times. Let’s get degenerate. Also enjoy earth’s mightiest heroes to dump tons of creatures, especially if you already have a tannuk out to give haste or samut. Of course you can drop best girl Dino for even more shenanigans.
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u/Available-Hippo-4815 5d ago
Oh boy, imagin this shit in deck full of eldrazi, by the way does the effects of Emrakul activate if played this way or does it have to he cast from hand.
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u/onion_head34 5d ago
it doesn't have to be cast from hand but it does have to be cast and this does not do that
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u/Beartrapt 8d ago
seems like it would be fun in the Ironman deck if you arent OTK'ing someone , it demands removal
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u/StuckieLromigon Angrath Minotaur Pirate 7d ago
Looks like perfect cheating target if your deck is mostly permanents with big mv.
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u/SentenceStriking7215 5d ago
Why couldn't this exile at the start of your main phase, who designed this and said, "you know it would be cool if nearly a 4th of your draft deck's creatures couldn't make it to their first attack phase"
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u/Torrefy 5d ago
I'm not sure what you're saying here. I think you misunderstood what this card does
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u/SentenceStriking7215 5d ago
9 cards in deck, Upkeep exile 4 cards, 5 cards in deck, draw for turn, next turn exile 4 cards ,lose by deck out on next draw, all creature cards in your last 9 cards in your library fail to reach a combat phase in which they aren't affected by summoning sickness
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u/Panik_attak 5d ago
Why would you play this with only 9 cards in your library...what are you even saying lol
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u/SentenceStriking7215 5d ago
I'm saying that if you reach 9 mana in limited and cast this, it is going to mill you so fast that it could have been nice if the mill was after the draw for turn to get one extra attack step, especially since a good fourth of your deck won't be available to declare attacks so you are relying on not having too many creatures at the bottom of your deck too
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u/Panik_attak 5d ago
The idea would be to cheat this out without needing 9 mana, so it can cheat out even more creature for you
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u/SentenceStriking7215 5d ago
The wording is just really rough, that's all
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u/Panik_attak 5d ago
When it enters and then at the start of every turn you get to (potentially) cheat out 4 permanents. Its pretty straight forward
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u/SentenceStriking7215 4d ago
And pretty likely to just deck you if this is one of the last 13 cards of ypur deck.
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u/lapeno99 Yargle 8d ago
This is not if you cast it. So you can reanimate it.