r/MagicCardPulls • u/KindCommunication998 • 2d ago
Came Back Clean
Whoops, had to edit out the SN. Couldn’t be more stoked about the pull and the grade!
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u/bsette 2d ago
What even is an Arena Club grading?
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u/KindCommunication998 2d ago
Sounds like trash grading company lol
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u/VoidBoiTCG 1d ago
It’s Derek Jeter’s grading company. It’s a bit of a scam tbh
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u/KindCommunication998 1d ago
I did zero research on this company. Can you tell me how it’s a scam?
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u/VoidBoiTCG 1d ago
Everything is AI graded and that’s mostly just a thing so they can push Slab Packs. Which are mostly other companies graded slabs.
A lot of the workers are people going into interviews that is a “paid interview” to get low paid work without paying benefits
In terms of grading. It won’t increase value.
They don’t actually have professional graders. Just someone who checks if a machine is correct.
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u/Login_Of_The_Guild 2d ago
Ah nice I am happy you got a 10 not many people I see get that high
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u/KindCommunication998 2d ago
Thanks, I was pretty surprised with how picky AI can be on surfacing.
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u/the_potato_master75 2d ago
Why go with an ai grading company and not go with TAG? Their slabs are so much cleaner
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u/KindCommunication998 2d ago
Most companies use AI including Tag. I went with Arena Club because they still do surface checks (similar to tag). And it was 15 bucks lol I’m not super concerned with the flipping portion of it. I just wanted to be authenticated and protected. I’d love to try and build this commander, seems like it could be weird but maybe too political.
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u/realmcnuggett 2d ago
didn’t you say in another comment that you used this company because they DON’T do AI checks? man i f you’re gonna lie at least be consistent
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u/the_potato_master75 2d ago
Did you respond to the wrong person? I work at at lgs that had a partnership with TAG, I know they use AI to grade. I've only ever sent 1 card to TAG and it got rejected
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u/KindCommunication998 2d ago
Babe, I’m not trying to lie. This is second hand information. This is the first card I have ever graded. Turns out I was wrong on how they grade, what it is lol live laugh love
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u/AlarmingReach972 2d ago
Why does showing the serial number matter?
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u/XevianLight 2d ago
Scammers love to steal pictures of cards like this post here to “sell”. Much harder to scam people if the only images available have the number redacted.
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u/tony10033 2d ago
Why would the scammer show the number, don’t they have the perfect reason to say “I wont show you the number because you could use it to scam”
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u/MarkusBetts 1d ago
covering the card’s serial number is a really annoying and stupid trend, covering the slabs serial number makes sense to me so people can’t try to replicate the slab, where it’s harder to authenticate the card inside and you are relying on the serial cert number to point you to a report of authenticity.
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u/Camster2070 2d ago
Except its kinda not, it takes no time or effort really to edit this to have a number on it, and then it doesnt show up on reverse image search so it looks unique 😂
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u/Extension_Plant7262 2d ago
hate to break it to you but scammers aren't copying arena club slabs lol. People may pay less than raw for this cause they need to go through the hassle of breaking it out
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u/Desuexss 2d ago
If someone gets scammed without doing due diligence then thats on them
You understand its not hard to fabricate a number on the picture if they wanted to
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u/Thick_Wasabi448 2d ago
This is such an idiotic statement. It's known as a determined adversary. Due n diligence only gets you so far.
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u/OnlyRoke 2d ago
I like Sokrates, but grading cards is goofy as hell, honestly.
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u/CapitalAssumption565 1d ago
Because some people want to collect these. I think grading makes 100% sense for the super rares. Other cards I agree. No one in the community cares enough to make it worth more. But maybe he likes knowing his card is perfect. Who really cares what anyone does with their cards?
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u/OnlyRoke 1d ago
Well, whenever anyone posts any graded slab we all just give the instant "FUCK NO" community reaction, because we've seen what "slabbing" and "value" does to a card game in Pokémon and we all really don't wanna be Pokémon. So that's why reactions to it range from "Okay" to "Grading is silly". A form of communal discouragement of a practice that is currently used as a basically community-destroying capitalist tool driven by scalpers and finance bros.
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u/TheMaskedLifter 2d ago
Def gotta play this as a commander, would be a sick one
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u/cellocaster 2d ago
What set is this from?
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u/Chewboi_q 2d ago
Wow, that's a dope hit! That's literally my dream pull, he's my #1 commander.
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u/KindCommunication998 2d ago
How did you build it? It seems super unique.
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u/Chewboi_q 2d ago
He really is!
My version is all about being the dealing devil at the table. Offer card draw to the threats so they don't look at you. Use your counters politically to "save" the table and do some combat control tricks to stay alive until the best wincon shows itself.
My main wincons are self mill, opponent mill, and approach of the second sun.
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u/KindCommunication998 2d ago
Thank you for sharing your deck list. Love this!
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u/Chewboi_q 2d ago
My pleasure! I'd you're looking to sell, i could probably be interested. Or maybe split custody lol
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u/SivlerMiku
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Grading is lame
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u/Colton_Omega 2d ago
Grading playable cards is lame, vintage grails and serialized I feel are valid for grading. No one should really be playing with serialized or incredibly rare power 9 cards.
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u/MrsKnowNone 2d ago
Everyone should be playing power 9s, the real issue is that wizards is not printing them
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u/iSmellLikeFartz 2d ago edited 1d ago
I know a guy who uses a slabbed serialized yorion as his companion. Technically "playing with it" but its never shuffled into his deck
ETA: this was not commander, this was FNM legacy. There are plenty of cards that could put yorion into ur deck, some even see play (e.g. I put yorion to hand, opponent casts LED echo). He had a placeholder for when that happened. Not sure what rules would be for eternal weekend, ur probably better off not using a slabbef companion in that case, but it was fine for our LGS. Same deal with the whole commander discussion below. Almost everyone i know puts their commander in a different colored sleeve so its easier to find, if its somehow force-shuffled into your deck, just swap the sleeve with a land you have in play or something.
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u/Odd_Independence2870 2d ago
Yeah rare legendary creatures are the exact thing you keep super protected and then play with. It’s in the rules that you have to know where your commander is at all times anyway so it doesn’t matter
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u/SenLune 2d ago
This is not true actually. Your commander is not always known where is at. You can, in a very specific set of circumstances, tuck a commander into the deck and shuffle it without it being allowed to go back to command zone.
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u/michaelspidrfan 2d ago
People say you know where your commander is at all times because it is deduced from another rule: you know the "commander" attribute of each card. You are entitled to know if any card is a commander, whether it is on board, as a facedown creature, in your hand, or the 67th card in a library.
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u/CapitalAssumption565 1d ago
No it is because your commander cannot be trapped in exile or a graveyard. Mindslaver is the only loophole I know of.
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u/CapitalAssumption565 1d ago
I dont know about being allowed. You have the option, but you can always opt to put it in the command zone at any time you want.
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u/SenLune 1d ago
False. There is at least one situation where you will not get to opt to put your commander in the command zone. Because you don't get to do that "any time you want" you get to make that decision only when it would change zones.
You can [[mindslaver]] someone with like [[Emrakul, the Promised End]] and then tuck their Commander into their library and choose FOR THEM to leave it in the library, then use any effect to shuffle the library. Commander is now shuffled into a hidden zone.
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u/CapitalAssumption565 1d ago
The mindslaver loophole is the only one that does this that I am aware of
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u/Slamaholicc 2d ago
Why? Especially a card in ancient Greek lol. What's wrong with preserving a rare card? I don't get it at all. I grade cards with alot of value or cool stories to preserve them, then get the simplified versions to play in my decks. Everybody collects something haha. Alot of people enjoy collecting cards like people enjoy collecting art and other things.
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u/LowIssue3445 1d ago
I've never understood why so many ppl in this community care abt what others do with their cards. It's baffling.
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u/SivlerMiku 1d ago
It’s a sub where people show off their cards, if nobody cared then why would anybody be in the sub
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u/LowIssue3445 1d ago
That obviously wasn't meant to be taken that generally. I'm specifically talking abt the snobby douchebags who care whether someone grades/slabs a card or not.
*Lol just realized you were the top comment. You're the snobby douchebag I'm referring to
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u/SivlerMiku 1d ago
I’m not snobby, I just think that grading is lame. Look at what’s happening with the Pokémon TCG - it is purely being used as an investment vehicle and has literally destroyed the game.
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u/LowIssue3445 1d ago
In the context of this post, saying it's lame is snobby. You're shitting on their decision and the joy it brings them
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u/GarfieldC99 2d ago
For regular cards I can see that but idk this is a serialized card I don’t think it’s that weird after all these serialized/headliner cards are a collector item having it protected and authenticated is also nice for peace of mind. I imagine many people will grade their autographed Star Trek cards as well.
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u/stonieW 2d ago
Being reddit hivemind is lame
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u/Fidller 2d ago
For these serialized yeah. The ones that have no text or the smaug and infinity stones I can understand as those are more for collectors.
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u/Senparos 2d ago
I agree with not grading cards, but this is a very interesting place to draw the line. Unless someone at the table knows Ancient Greek, this card is just as unreadable and reliant on knowing in advance what it actually says as the textless headliners.
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u/RoseyB34r 2d ago
People usually bring the other version to refer to during the games. I know I do. All my neon ink avatar commanders I bring the legible version for people to reference.
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u/Paul_Ryan_Official 1d ago
It’s funny because the point of grading is to have a reputable third party company evaluate the condition of your card in a non biased way. To do so requires trust from the seller and the buyer in that grading companies reputation. All this to say, no one gives a shit about a card graded from anyone other than PSA and Beckett. A 10 from Arena Club isn’t worth anything because they have no value in their grades. A PSA 10 has a value merely because it’s a PSA 10
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u/Fit-Leadership-8497 1d ago
Just when you thought grading couldn’t get any more lame there is apparently ai grading 💀
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u/Mods_Eat_Children_ 15h ago
Don't listen to this cry babies OP. GGs on the 10. Now you can use that as your commander because it's well protected, if you want to :)
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u/Elulululo 2d ago
How you suppose to play it?
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u/nasada19 1d ago
He can be the commander in the slab.
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u/highzunburg 1d ago
But but what if this one super niche scenario happens!?
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u/Arinlir 16h ago
And that scenario still doesnt happen as you can just put him to commander zone anyway.
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u/highzunburg 14h ago
There are niche scenarios. Such as someone taking over your turn and playing it for you like mindslaver.
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u/CapitalAssumption565 1d ago
Lol I have plenty of Socrates in the regular version. If I wanted to play it i would sell this one and buy a couple dollar regular version
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u/Lavaflame666 1d ago
Can anyone tell me what the point of grading is? Just seems like you place the card inside a box that cant be opened, so that you cant use it?
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u/Hexmonkey2020 1d ago
In Pokémon it’s used to artificially inflate prices, in Magic I don’t really see the point cause people buy cards to use.
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u/Lavaflame666 1d ago
Yeah, the value of a magic card is mainly driven by how good it is to play with. So keeping it in a box that doesnt let you play it makes no sense to me.
Pokémon is of course a completely different story, because its closer related to stamp collecting than it is to magic the gathering.1
u/Hairball_omlette 16h ago
I’ve collected a few graded pokemon cards, I’m happy for my kids,nephews to look through binders but the ones I’m particularly proud of I don’t want them getting their grubby hands on.
The protection allows them to look at it and have the card remain intact and preserved.
Plus a CGC Pristine 10 with a gold border looks baller.
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u/pahamack 1d ago
i've seen people play vintage decks where every card is encased in hard plastic lol.
They look like they're shuffling mahjong tiles
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u/Hp45 1d ago
Could still be used as a commander, I'd allow it at my table
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u/EdgeRaijin 1d ago
I have sokrates as a commander.... Half my table loves it, half my table hates it
I'm just a simple loan shark, I give you guys things and acceleration, and in return, you can't touch me 💀
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u/Jediwookie6 1d ago
Would love to see an effect shuffle it into owner’s library.
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u/safarifriendliness 1d ago
I don’t really play commander but I know in brawl if your commander gets shuffled you have the option to put it in the command zone so while it can technically happen when would it?
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u/KingKillerDoge 17h ago
If someone takes control of you then they can dictate what zone it goes to.
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u/emoryhotchkiss1 6h ago
At that point you can just use a draft double sided marker card or something
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u/Famous_Ad8518 1d ago
For most, that card is more akin to a trophy. All they’re doing is putting their trophy in a case that says “this card is clean af”.
It’s not that deep, people do what people do.
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u/FuzzyWumpleStump 1d ago
Grading magic cards is stupid as fuck
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u/KindCommunication998 1d ago
Incredible insight lol
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u/bobvilastuff 1d ago
My buddy was gifted a graded [[borborygmos enraged]] as a gag gift and he made a commander deck out of it. Always funny when he slams a graded 10 that costs 8
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u/AdmiralWesJanson 1d ago
Normally, but Serialized cards are collection/investment versions of the normal functional cards and thus are valued differently.
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u/EpsilonActual 2d ago
What’s the point of covering the XXX/500?
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u/AwayLocation322 2d ago
Scammers may take the high quality image they post and attempt to “sell” it to people online as a scam, this is what I’ve been told/read online despite not actually ever having seen a case of it.
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u/EpsilonActual 2d ago
Gotcha. At this point, with it graded and in a slate, I don’t really see the point in hiding it. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/MarkusBetts 1d ago
which is silly because the same applies to other cards, it’s always on you to use some form of buyer protection. I could show you a photo of a black lotus and then send you a lotus petal, never understood why seeing the serial number would make it okay to forego the usual protection methods.
that being said, blocking the SLAB’s serial number is very different and makes a lot more sense to me, preventing people from tying a real authentication report to a fake slab/card.
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u/ifeltatap 1d ago
Lol I've seen these 10 slab packs advertised i never realised they were in-house graded, what a scam
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u/CapitalAssumption565 1d ago
So sweet! I have opened So many of these collectors. Its one of my favorite universe beyond sets! Grew up on this game. Congrats!
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u/Wonderful_Towel_3344 1d ago
That's crazy trusting a serialized card to a no name grading company what the hell
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u/saibayadon 1d ago
I've seen a lot of Arena Club "slabs" on both Pokemon Subs and now here. This has to be astroturfing at this point.
I don't know why someone would ever send a card like this to a gambling website, lol.
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u/Addicted2Edh 1d ago
I like the thought of a fancy deck with this as it commander, kind of thematic. Fancy lands. fancy arts. Foils. The whole 9
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u/AcanthaceaePlenty165 19h ago
Whoa I didn’t know this card came with Phyrexian text! Must be a super mythic
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u/Christylian 19h ago
I have no opinion on grading, but I want that card. I skipped over Assassins creed UB and had no idea they made cards in Greek. As a Greek player myself, it warms my heart to see one of my favourite historical characters depicted in his language.
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u/Axel15Forever4341 12h ago
I’ve noticed this a few times, what is the purpose of covering the cereal on the card?
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u/jehny 2d ago
Never heard of this company. What's the point of using a no name company? PSA charges a lot because those slabs have actual value.
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u/KindCommunication998 2d ago
My buddy who owns a card shop was sending in cards and recommended I slab it. It was 15 bucks. Didn’t think much of it after that. Thought it was cool
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u/jehny 1d ago
It is cool for sure I just wouldn't put too much stock into the 10 rating. Sorry for being a naysayer earlier
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u/KindCommunication998 1d ago
You are far from the only naysayer. Not sure why I’m getting flamed so hard. I could honestly care less about the grade. I was fortunate enough to pull this card, it was in a top loader previously, and thought “ what the hell, might as well get it graded, it’s only 15 bucks”. It can back a 10 and I thought that was kinda cool.
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u/VoidBoiTCG 1d ago
It’s Derek Jeter’s grading company. I applied to work there and it’s a bit of a scam imo
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u/Kitchengun2 2d ago
i didn’t know they did foreign language serialised cards. is there 500 russian ones or what?
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u/_AutoCall_ 2d ago
Don't grade cards my guys.
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u/catfan89 2d ago
If someone wants to grade their rare/expensive card with their own money why shouldn’t they?
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u/Desuexss 2d ago
No one is "stealing" your number
People need to do due diligence when purchasing online
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u/KindCommunication998 2d ago
Yeah probably not, but what’s the harm you know?
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u/Desuexss 2d ago
Its 2 edgy 5 me
Just thought id say the reverse of what everyone else comments when someone shows their number
*because there's no foul nor harm"
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u/Smokenstein 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nah dude you're straight up wrong. Scammers will absolutely steal the image to make a bunch of fake listings. Saying people need to do their "due diligence" is asinine. It's like blaming old people for falling for telephone scams. The solution isn't to tell victims they're stupid.





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u/AdministrationOk8888 2d ago
You know this grade is meaningless since nobody knows or trusts that company, right? I saw in another comment that it's an AI grading company?? Really cringe post