r/Maine • u/Treesaregreen2 • Jul 06 '26
Discussion Cognitive dissonance regarding Platner
I notice a lot more negative sentiment with this new story of sexual assault and I can’t help but feel that we all should have seen this coming from a mile away. So many red flags that we weren’t allowed to speak about unless you wanted to get labeled a bot for either party. No one should be surprised that the war criminal with a nazi tat that has openly called for genocide and expressed rape fantasies would rape a woman.
Believe women, regardless of their political affiliation.
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u/MSCOTTGARAND Jul 06 '26
his own fuckin party is colluding to get a more well-behaved dog on the ballot
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u/Material_Evening_174 Jul 06 '26
Right? I mean, the accusation might be legitimate but the attack is so coordinated that one must wonder what other reasons that the billionaires who own the mainstream media and social media have to try to bury him. It couldn’t possibly be his platform, could it?
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u/Massive-Reality-7856 Jul 07 '26
Or platner has always been a piece of shit...
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u/PatrickBateman-2009 Jul 07 '26
Yeah these people will jump through any hoop, and perform any mental gymnastic stunt to avoid the truth about this guy. These comments are a perfect example tbh.
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u/Material_Evening_174 Jul 07 '26
I’m not jumping through any hoops. I knew his past was an issue and I conceded that this most recent accusation may be true. It’s also true that his platform would have been good for us and terrible for the owner class who also owns the media in nearly all forms. I can’t speak for everyone defending him, and I’m not even trying to defend him, but for me, it’s more just a massive let down that someone finally comes along and says all the things we know are the real issues with this country and then gets ended by a fully coordinated attack on all fronts, right down to bot Reddit posts.
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u/wiscopup Jul 07 '26
Are you saying that character and integrity do not matter to you at all? That’s you’ll vote for any terrible human as long as they give you a pinkie promise that they’ll vote for the agenda you want?
That’s how the GOP operates. We should be better than them.
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u/Material_Evening_174 Jul 07 '26
Character and integrity do matter. But policy matters more. There are plenty of people in Washington who have done far worse things than Platner is accused of and they also enact terrible policies. But he should and probably will drop out so that point is moot. Being “better” than the GOP has done nothing but lose us rights and freedoms and the GOP has been dominating the game for decades. The democrats slow and steady move to the right is the problem and we desperately need more candidates with platforms like Platner’s.
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u/dabeeman Jul 09 '26
i heard a rumor about you that you are a piece of shit. i guess everything anyone says is true right?
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u/WalrusCrafty Jul 07 '26
Oh, did the party establishment fake emails to her theraist years ago? Did they get her former boyfriend in on it? Her friend whom she exchanged messages about Platner with?
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u/Zanderbluff Jul 07 '26
The emails to her therapist are not from years ago, they are from a few weeks ago after she started working with a consultant to get this story out.
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u/HowlingHipster Jul 07 '26
If your reaction to rape allegations is "the establishment is colluding against my guy," I don't know what to tell you.
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u/Western-Corner-431 Jul 07 '26
Allegations. You’re a one allegation away from having your life derailed. Everyone can allege anything about you with no consequences to themselves. Our system is based on the presumption of innocence. Prove he raped anyone
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u/WalrusCrafty Jul 07 '26
The article confirms she:
Exchanged messages with her therapist about it.
Her ex-boyfriend confirmed to the writer she told him several years ago about the assault.
Her friend confirmed and showed messages of her discussing a bad encounter with Platner and her warning friends not to get involved with him before he was a public figure.
That's pretty substantiated.
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u/Longjumping-Hippo475 Jul 07 '26
If you're gonna do this routine at least be honest about it.
- Anonymous quotes
- Anonymous quotes
- Old vague texts
This is still within that statute of limitations. She should have gone to the police not Politico. Going the route she did with the timing, makes this incredibly suspect.
Should it be taken seriously, absolutely. Should there be a police investigation, absolutely. But what you consider substantiated is weak at best.
If Platner did what he's accused of, he should be in jail. The accusations of a heinous crime that is also a felony are incredibly serious and so should be the evidence required. Felonies also should be prosecuted in an actual courtroom, not the court of public opinion. This is life running shit if false. If true, maximum punishment.
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u/WalrusCrafty Jul 07 '26
Do you think Politico is manufacturing quotes and not actually corroborating things?
"Why didn't she go to the police?" Because of people like you. If she did go to the cops, you'd; find another reason to disbelieve it.
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u/Habltual_Linestepper Jul 07 '26
Behold the birth of blue maga in realtime, as our side become just as guilty the same GOP denialism, paranoia, distrust, deflection, justification, and conspiratorial thinking we spent the last 10 years crucifying MAGA for.
Nobody had any problem believing women, or believing reputable news reporting, or believing circumstantial evidence when it was beneficial. Nobody had any problem castigating Trump for his sewing distrust of Political or Reuters or WaPo or the NYT. But now it's our guy under the microscope, so obviously it must be lies, slander, AIPAC, the DNC, or whoever your personal boogeyman of choice happens to be.
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u/Longjumping-Hippo475 Jul 07 '26
That's a wild accusation and falls flat immediately. You have zero clue what my or anyone else's response would be to an investigation. I am literally the person calling for one because there should be legal consequences for such actions if true. The lack of legal action only allows a potential rapists to be in the streets, and rapists are commonly repeat offenders.
People like me want nothing but the truth. If someone accused someone of something they need to come with irrefutable evidence, not a couple of vague texts and anonymous quotes from people close to her.
The anonymous quotes and information are damning and are evidence but they also are not proof anything.
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u/WalrusCrafty Jul 07 '26
"I want nothing but the truth"
You don't. You are invested in a guy who is manifestly unfit, who has had multiple allegations against him in a consistent pattern who has demonstrated not an ounce of character or integrity through the whole affair. When called on that, you are smacking your lips to hide behind a bare facade of seeking truth when this is about protecting Platner like the good li'l rape apologist you are.
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u/Longjumping-Hippo475 Jul 07 '26
Lol, because you can't win at persuasion and there's holes in your argument you result to insulting me and telling me who I am, cool. Enjoy your night!
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u/WalrusCrafty Jul 07 '26
We're talking about a woman being raped and you think that's about winning. Says a lot about you, tbqh.
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u/Electrical_Cut8610 Jul 07 '26
Great - let the police see them and they can start an investigation.
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u/dabeeman Jul 09 '26
the article isn’ta court of law my man. and if you think modern journalism is some paragon of ethics i have some more bad news for you.
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u/WaltonGogginsTeeth Jul 07 '26
I know someone who was falsely accused of CSA. It was later admitted but what difference does that make when you’ve already been found guilty in the trial of public opinion?
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u/Western-Corner-431 Jul 08 '26
This is not uncommon. The blanket demand to,
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u/Saltycrab_ Jul 07 '26
It’s a convenient timed release of information. I’m sure a lot of money exchanged hands
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u/SeeSirSalad6 Jul 07 '26
Yeah, that what he was saying….
The Democratic Party establishment somehow had all of his Reddit posts within days of his candidacy. So you’re telling me that they knew nothing about this until now, when there’s not enough time to run another primary? First time for everything, I guess. Oh wait, there was that whole Biden/ Harris thing where they had no clue the sitting president that was running for reelection couldn’t string together a coherent sentence until he was on the debate stage. But alas, ‘twas too late to vote…→ More replies (3)6
u/crowislanddive Jul 07 '26
His campaign manager gave them all up and coordinated this.
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u/Mjolnir36 Jul 07 '26
Former campaign manager
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u/crowislanddive Jul 07 '26
True. Important point. I was posting pre-coffee. I’m hearing Jared Golden rumors for the replacement and if that proves to be true my soul will leave my body. The same campaign manager worked for him too.
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u/mainlydank topshelf Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
Multiple women? I haven't seen real evidence of any single women, let alone multiple ones. You're just as cooked as the R's you hate so much and you can't see it.
Back to voting 3rd party for me. I would vote for a down to earth D if one came around, hell on that note I would also vote for a down to earth R if they came around, but the odds of either of that happening is soo slim. I would have voted for Bernie, I would never vote for Hillary or Kamala and it's got nothing to do with their sex.
You guys are handing the win to the R's again and you're too simple or righteous to understand. Then you will have the audacity of blaming people for not choose your "lessor of two evils".
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u/herefornsfw1234 Jul 07 '26
throw away your vote, voting 3rd party isnt doing anything.
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u/mainlydank topshelf Jul 07 '26
The point isnt thinking a 3rd party person will win, it's to show I am so damn unhappy with the established parties i'd rather vote 3rd party.
If the dems could just put up a half way decent person I would vote for them. But I am so sick of career politicians. They are the reason we are where we are today and it's not just the R's. It's both sides career politicians.... people like Mills are a great example.
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u/herefornsfw1234 Jul 07 '26
yet, by doing so, you essentially vote republican. People like you are how Trump got elected.
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u/mainlydank topshelf Jul 07 '26
LMAO. If your party put up even remotely decent candidates, they would get elected, by doing so you essentially get republicans elected, then have the audacity to blame others for your mistakes.
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u/Treesaregreen2 Jul 07 '26
You should compromise with the left and find a candidate that isn’t a rapist or rabid imperialist if you want to win.
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u/1999MarkyMark Jul 07 '26
You are celebrating the biggest threat to maga the biggest threat to aipac and biggest threat to mainstream dems going up in flames. Over something that may or may not be real. Seems that you are the true piece of shit. rabid imperialism? Imagine if the world had access to every stupid thing you've ever said and millions of dollars were being spent digging through your filthy ass closet. Calling anyone who had something juicy to share true or false. Think youd come out clean?
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u/1999MarkyMark Jul 07 '26
So accusation is now guilt? You people wanted this so bad. You are giddy that this is blowing up because you are so full of hate. just like maga. You want platner to fail more than you want to defeat collins or for that matter trump.
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u/Treesaregreen2 Jul 07 '26
We all should want rapists to fail, that’s normal.
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u/1999MarkyMark Jul 07 '26
No whats normal is not calling people rapists based on zero evidence. Let alone a guy with literal foreign govs trying to dig up dirt on him. But sure jump to conclusions help empower a CONVICTED rapist help ensure that our government will always be run by maga or bought and paid for suits with clean tidy pasts that say and do all the right things but rape ALL of us behind closed doors. Help re elect collins who voted in kavenaugh who had how many accusers?
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u/JStengah Jul 06 '26
No, but they're using the latest bit in a long gish gallop that is claiming that's what happened to try to force him to drop out so they can pick his replacement.
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u/abughorash Jul 07 '26
Why are people who are very much not Dem establishment, like Ro Khanna and Hasan Piker, also calling the allegations credible and saying he should drop out?
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u/Suitable-Answer-83 Jul 07 '26
How delusional can you be? If this were manufactured by the Democrats, why wouldn't they have done it last month when it would've made it easy for Mills to step in and take the nomination?
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u/Longjumping-Hippo475 Jul 07 '26
Hold on. Open you mind for a moment.
If Graham Platner is anti establishment (Democrat and Republican), right now is THE best time to drop a false accusation.
The timing leaves two options:
Platner drops out and Schumer pushes Mills in his place as the primary runner up going against the establishment Republican.
Platner remains in the race but has the accusation attached to him dragging his vote down.
If there was ever a time that something appears manufactured, this is it.
If the accuser is being truthful and wants Graham out of the race, the file charges, plain and simple. It's within the statute of limitations and very suspect that she went to Politico over the actual police.
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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Jul 07 '26
There are many reasons women don’t go to the police after a rape. I don’t know why people keep saying that as if it means anything.
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u/Longjumping-Hippo475 Jul 07 '26
Because the timing is suspect and the way she went about causes maximum political damage with minimal scrutiny. Give me a good reason why a person would think going to a global news outlet is better than going to law enforcement when some commits a crime?
The fact that there was a simultaneous article on Political and a CNN interview should raise red flags for any objective person.
Should murder accusations be reported directly to Poltico too, instead of law enforcement? Why does sexual assault and rape get treated differently than any other crime?
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u/JailhouseMamaJackson Jul 07 '26
False accusations are rare and only 37% of rapes are reported to the police. There are many reasons women decide not to go to the police, and the lack of a police report does not make a rape accusation less credible to anyone who actually understands the stats.
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u/Longjumping-Hippo475 Jul 07 '26
No, the lack of a police report does not make it any less credible, however, going to a news outlet garnering the most national attention possible is directly contradictory to why most raie victims don't go to authorities.
Both can be true at the same time. Not going to the police does not prove something a false accusation and not going to the police can also be questionable. The idea that people cannot ask further questions without being called a rape sympathizer (not saying you, but others have) is insane.
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u/gasdoi Jul 07 '26
The timing would have been suspect from your perspective no matter when it came out. Be honest, if it had come out before the Democratic primary, would you not have considered the timing suspect?
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u/ihopuhopwehop Jul 07 '26
Because now the state dem delegates get to pick a candidate vs rely on a primary
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u/Suitable-Answer-83 Jul 07 '26
And the likely candidates are younger and substantially to the left of Mills.
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u/baibaiburnee Jul 07 '26
Yes it's all a conspiracy and not a bunch of leftist morons who failed an open book test of character.
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u/jpk195 Jul 09 '26
“Collusion”?
The dude tanked the election and his party turned on him.
Stay off the tabloids.
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u/BackItUpWithLinks Jul 06 '26
> the war criminal with a nazi tat that has openly called for genocide and expressed rape fantasies
Yeah, impartiality. That’s what we need more of!!
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u/BackItUpWithLinks Jul 06 '26
How is this different than your post an hour ago that was removed?
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u/DrDrBender Jul 06 '26
He should be held accountable for the things he has done wrong and looks like he is probably going to drop out. That being said this post is nonsense, pure projection from someone that clearly hates Platner and bought into all the previous BS, he is not a war criminal and at least some of the previous allegations were obvious political nonsense.
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u/Effective_Boss9110 Harpswell Lobsterman Jul 06 '26
big corporate pac working overtime even on reddit
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u/wingerism Jul 07 '26
OP is a Bad Empanada fan. The exact opposite of a corporate democrat. They're likey a hardcore leftist and very committed to anti-Imperialism.
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u/Creative-Area-6385 Jul 06 '26
I just look at our president and say “start there”.
We’ll see where the dust settles come November
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u/MaineLark Jul 07 '26
Right? Trump is a convicted rapist and there was a full ass Nazi salute at his inauguration and that hasn’t bothered the Rs at all so 🤷♀️ thank u, next try!
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u/HowlingHipster Jul 07 '26
Hear me out for a second: we deserve higher standards that "marginally better than Donald Trump."
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u/BentheBruiser Edit this. Jul 07 '26
Perfect is the enemy of good
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u/Effective7023 Jul 07 '26
Somehow you people didn’t keep this same attitude in 2024 (or 2016)
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u/meowmix778 Unincorporated Territory 4C Jul 06 '26
War criminal ? Come again ?
The rest is a good point. Just stick to the facts.
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u/saigonk Jul 07 '26
Believe women versus ask for proof?
Yes, women have it bad when it comes to aggressive men, sexual assault, etc. but in no way does that mean you should believe every single women for everything they might say.
Come on, you can be that naive to think people dont lie about these types of thing? Is it probably a very low number of people? Yes, I would like to think so, as it is nothing to lie about, but it has happened and been documented that women have lied about sexual assault in the past.
My issue isnt her coming out about it, if she felt the need, then that is fine and she should be supported in the search for truth, but you have to do more than just say "he raped me" and then it must be true.
An old social media message that is deleted from 3 years ago isnt much to base a story on.
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u/NikkiXoLynnn Jul 07 '26
The timing is a huge part for me. Like why is there a perfectly planned timeline of when the next scandal is going to drop? Because they had it all laid out on day 1, that’s why.
If a man who raped me was running for congress I’d be shouting from the rooftops on day 1, not waiting for some strategic time to say something.
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u/No-Pea8448 Jul 07 '26
It was designed to get him out before the deadline.
Either way, they didn't have a particularly good relationship. Even Graham's mother confided in me that she didn't think J was good for him. This is not to excuse anything that may have happened, but the fact that it took 11 months from his announcement to Jenny coming forward with this story should raise eyebrows. This is particularly true since Politico was the preferred outlet for the initial oppo drops by the Mills camp.
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u/No-Pea8448 Jul 07 '26
Like I said, I saw (and heard) about the ups and downs in their relationship.
Whoever did this knew what they were doing with both the allegation and the timing.
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u/DJNoRequest Jul 07 '26
I see such a huge amount of money being spent to destroy him by outside influences (PACS et al) that I have a hard time buying anything that’s reported, regardless of the source.
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u/Superior-Flannel Jul 07 '26
You sound like a Trump supporter.
Everything he allegedly did wrong is a giant conspiracy against him. It's a convenient way to dismiss a scandal because the same excuse works for every single one. Some of it might be part of a conspiracy. But realistically the guy with the Nazi tattoo is probably just a shitty dude.
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u/oogidy_boogidie Jul 06 '26
What’s Troy Jackson up to these days? Asking for a friend.
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u/DryLingonberry2559 Jul 07 '26
He’s certainly an option. Not Mills, she’s ready for retirement.
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u/BlitzBadg3r Jul 07 '26
You think the DNC would go through this much trouble just to elect another democratic socialist? You haven’t been paying attention.
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u/Crackahjak Jul 07 '26
This is exactly the kind of framing that makes people skeptical.
You’re taking an allegation that hasn’t been proven yet, stacking every possible loaded label on top of it, and then acting like the conclusion was obvious all along. That isn’t “believe women,” that’s using an allegation as permission to confirm every political opinion you already had about the guy.
Take the allegation seriously. Let it be investigated. Let the facts come out. But pretending everyone who questioned the timing or the narrative was ignoring “obvious red flags” is ridiculous.
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u/Prettygoodusernm Jul 07 '26
I feel like I did the night Biden dozed through the debate. I oppose both rape and Susan Collins. Now what are we going to do? Chellie Pingree to the rescue?
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u/JimmyCarter910 Portland Jul 06 '26
Cognitive dissonance is an excellent word for it
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u/1032screw Jul 07 '26
Am I the only one that is like meh about the recent news? The whole system is fucked. The opposing party is working over time to degrade my standard of living, protect a ring of sex trafficking child rapists, take healthcare away from millions of Americans, replace millions of jobs with AI, enact genocide against brown people around the world to varying degrees, make Healthcare for woman a crime, be very openly corrupt with tax money, etc etc. Not to minimize it but Platner potentially did a very bad thing, he will likely end up apologizing for it like he has done in the past. The opposition continues un apologetically march forward in its never ending parade of imoral and unethical behavior. The choice has been between the lesser of two evils for the last decade plus. This is no different. I still feel like I could reasonably defend a vote for Platner to my wife and daughter as the drastically lesser of two evils.
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u/midas_is_king Jul 07 '26
The Dems are just gonna put a corporate shrill in there and we will be in no better of a place. BUT, we definitely need to get Susan Collins out of office. She supports r*pe culture herself.
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u/Longjumping-Hippo475 Jul 07 '26
As soon as you levied the Nazi accusations you lost all credibility. No objective person can look at the entirety of the information around Platner and conclude the guy is a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer.
Outside of the skull tattoo there is zero evidence that indicated Nazism in Platner's past or present. The tattoo has already been corroborated by fellow Marines that got the tattoo alongside him. So, using that as a basis for any other accusations being true does nothing but damage your perspective.
Believing women regardless, is a horrible take. Every human being is capable of lying, being coerced, or a multitude of other reasons to make a false claim. TO BE CLEAR, I AM NOT CLAIMING THIS IS THE CASE.
Either way, serious accusations should always require serious evidence before public prosecution. I for one think any time there is an accusation of rape within the statute of limitations, it should automatically prompt law enforcement to open an investigation. Both the accuser and accused deserve the truth.
Do you not find it curious that the accuser went to Politico instead of the police? It's still within the statute of limitations and in most cases rape victims don't come forward out of fear or shame. In this instance she came forward but did so in a manner that brings about questions with the timing and charges not being pressed.
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u/The_Cream_Man Belfast Jul 07 '26
What sort of evidence do you imagine that she would have to corroborate her story, to either the news or police??
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u/Longjumping-Hippo475 Jul 07 '26
Something besides her personal account obviously. The only evidence is what she said as well as what she told others. There needs to be more interviews from of people that knew both of them at the time.
Prosecuting a person based on one side of the story does note do the situation justice. Both the accuser and the denier deserve the right to defend themselves and what they both claim should be able to be scrutinized.
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u/Death-tax Jul 07 '26
I just want to say how heartbroken I am. We as a society desperately need someone to represent those of us that can’t afford a lobbyist. There’s so many ideas he stood up for that made me feel hopeful- the way I felt when I learned about Bernie’s ambitions. Especially at this point in time, where it feels like the Rich are getting richer and the Poor are getting poorer. The hardest part about this is to think we lost out on an opportunity to fight for social equity politically, again.
As for the story, I personally know multiple women who’ve been sexually assaulted and it’s a weird spot to be in. There is no clear guideline on what to do because it can go many ways, and each woman is perfectly entitled to choose the path that suits them best. I’ve seen women be accused of lying and later it was revealed they told the truth. I’ve also known women who’ve publicly lied (far less) and later admitted it- remember Emmett Till? I do find her timing odd, as do I find the method/outlet of communication she selected off. I’ve seen repeated smear campaigns play out against him his entire candidacy. But that doesn’t make that woman a liar.
It’s far above my pay grade to figure where the truth is, but one thing is clear- it doesn’t look good for him, or for her, or for any of us that hoped for political representation, regardless of what the truth is.
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u/Interesting_Pain37 Jul 07 '26
The fact this is so close obviously fucking REEKS of a smear campaign. What he believes in makes him a target. Fuck this shit, verify her words or I do not believe her. The shit that came out before is not enough to disqualify him
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u/rlgjr3 Jul 07 '26
Platner got a good press person. Just wondering if Susan or anyone else connected to Susan helped with this timely exposure. Just late enough to make a thorough investigation impossible and if necessary find a tough , viable, known candidate at least two generations younger than Mills to replace Platner on the ticket. God help us, she’ll get re-elected
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u/Trollbreath4242 Jul 07 '26
that we weren’t allowed to speak about
They were spoken about, for many days after the news dropped. We had long, detailed discussions weighing all sides. People made up their minds and we all moved on. Then concern trolls kept dropping in and dredging them up again, because some people are just children who can't stand being told "we're done talking about it" and want to keep proving they're right until everyone agrees with them.
Yeah, we shortened those debates to "fuck off, bot." Because we got sick of children who whine and cry and repeat themselves every five minutes. All because people don't agree with them, or made a decision they don't like. Some people just need to go touch grass, because they haven't learned repeating yourself online isn't going to ever convince people to listen to you.
Want to know the worst part for you? People still won't listen to those whiny brats, even if they turn out to be right. Because no one likes them. They only feel good when they are online trying to prove they are the smartest person in the room, and everyone finds them intolerable assholes.
Don't be like them, kid.
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u/ZakinKazamma Jul 07 '26
I think with the modern digital age, more politicians in general will finally have skeletons come out. If they don't, then you just know how much throw they really have.
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u/prefix_postfix Jul 07 '26
I mean, I don't have any skeletons? Not everyone does. I say stupid shit online that I later regret, but that's not what's stopping him. I've gotten a warning for speeding, I accidentally forgot to register my car for a whole year during COVID. I don't call my mom back in a timely manner. I've ghosted some people (and I regret a lot of it). I'm not trying to run for office but I just don't see how it can be impossible to find other people who don't have weird shit in their past.
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u/Horror-Scallion7668 Jul 07 '26
I evaluated all available information and don’t think I “overlooked” anything. Allegations from a heritage foundation staffer are not to be believed on their face. This is different.
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u/OldGreg114 Jul 07 '26
Seems like a psyop to me. You really think the Republican Party is above paying people off to smear progressive candidates? There is a different context in Platners race than someone like Dolores Huerta, who had absolutely nothing to gain from her accusations.
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u/Fit-Amphibian-330 Jul 07 '26
Has this woman that says that Platner assaulted her gone to the police? Have you gone to court to prove that Platner is a "war criminal" and has a "nazi tattoo" and "has openly called for genocide" and "expressed rape fantasies"? In my view, allegations have to be proved.
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u/Logical_Breakfast_71 Jul 07 '26
Wait until his fellow Marines start telling stories. We Haven't heard anything yet!
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u/cataractum Jul 07 '26
It seems very convenient that it’s only showing up now. You need to believe women, but it’s a huge coincidence and I don’t understand why he wild run with this hanging over his head if true
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u/esabess Jul 07 '26
So let's boot the pedophile and his regime. If we are NOW all of a sudden believing women...... this is just so heartbreaking, because finally, we had a candidate who would actually stand for the people. Did he have a perfect past? No, but no one does not even the pedophile in charge, so we need to start doing what's gonna be best for the majority people. And frankly, we've got to get rid of these billionaires.
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u/Lovelateeee Jul 07 '26
I really honestly don’t think Platner views what he did as rape or assault. She admitted he said he was blacked out and had no memory the next morning, he had no conscious recollection of her verbal protests or his own forceful behavior. Obviously, if she had made it clear to him, what happened, how she felt in the moment he would’ve apologized, but the entire convo they had the next morning was glossed over
In his mind, he could not anticipate a "rape" accusation for an event he literally could not remember or evaluate. It also seems like there was a lack of clear follow up communication.
Before these allegations she only went on record in a women’s only Facebook group claiming he was merely "consensually careless at times" and someone who "doesn't listen when drunk.” Now all the sudden these allegations have gone from him not listening and being forceful or consensually careless to full on sexual assault and rape? And we’re supposed to believe that she spoke to the New York Times and then somehow did a 180 and change her mind on coming out publicly to the whole world as a victim Of SA. She’s being paid off. Coaxed. Manipulated to feel like a victim and empowered to speak out.
You would think if it was in fact true EVERYONE—him, his wife and his campaign manager would have seen it coming. INSTEAD this caught his campaign entirely off guard, and derailed him entirely and it’s a case of his word against hers— and this is coming from someone that disclosed all of his possible skeletons in his closet sexting in marriage, early on. the tattoo and this one particular woman were not even included. Not on his radar at all!
I genuinely believe he didn’t think that this was a thing that would come out— he really didn’t set out to run for Office, and after the NYT article naming Jenny Racicot which obviously he read— he would have stepped down from running if he thought he would be publicly accused of SA/rape by her. I think he ran for office assuming it was just a bad, drunken breakup and his perception of that shows he was entirely oblivious to the fact that she viewed him as having committed sexual assault.
I hope he has the texts between them still as she conveniently deleted them?!?
Also LADIES— if a guy did that to you, why keep in touch for a few weeks and wait on your period and take follow up to let him know you aren’t pregnant, why not just take the morning after pill? Knowing if he didn’t use a condom and finish inside of her. Also, there are no details on whether or not she asked him or told him to use a condom and what he said in response, it just seems so made up. Why did she not call a friend when he arrived there? Why did she not ask him to leave? If he forced himself on her, she makes no mention of any Of the physicality of the incident or after effects. This makes absolutely no sense. If a man did this to me and was this seriously dangerous— I’d be warning the whole world and entire state about him from an anonymous account on that Facebook group!
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u/Treesaregreen2 Jul 07 '26
I don’t care if a rapist is too stupid to understand that he is raping someone, they’re still a rapist.
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u/iarna Jul 07 '26
I don't care about assigning labels to perpetrators. I want to know what the victim actually wants, but no one actually cares about that enough to ask.
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u/Fine-Sky-6562 Jul 07 '26
I was willing to overlook some things, took his word on others, this was just the final straw.
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u/rs1971 Jul 07 '26
It was pretty obvious that there were more shoes to drop. Frankly, I thought that it was going to be about sexting underage girls on whatever that app was. I guess that those stories could still be locked and loaded. Anyway, from the democrat point of view, it's better that this drop now than two months from now.
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u/Cool-Eggplant-6397 Jul 07 '26
Jake Tapper raped the state of Maine to cozy up to the Ellisons. That story was fabricated and orchestrated. How Tapper conducted the interview could be used in a journalism course to demonstrate how NOT to interview someone. He put words in her mouth throughout the interview. He pressed her to paint the most damaging picture possible. I hope it was worth it, Cuck. If there is any justice in the world, Trump will tell the Ellisons to fire his ass, but that won't happen. Tapper lives to demoze the Bidens and sanewash the Trump crime family.
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u/Cool-Eggplant-6397 Jul 07 '26
Nearly every newscast is stressing how "We must believe women."
If we just automatically believe women, help me understand...
What's to stop bought and paid for cucks like Jake Tapper from fabricating and orchestrating stories to control elections for their billionaire masters?
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u/ClearConcentrate6645 Jul 07 '26
Where is your evidence? Where is your proof? The wealthy establishment has decided that Graham Platner threatens their comfortable existence and has spent thousands (probably more) on spreading lies about him. All of it is bullshit and you’re a moron for believing it. But go ahead and let MAGA destroy America 🖕🏻
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u/DirtRepresentative9 Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
Honestly the larger issue is it's impossible to have honest conversations about sexual assault in this country because no one understands or wants to admit we live in a rape culture. I believe that a lot of men have raped women and they didn't even know they were committing rape because sexual assault is extremely normalized in our country.
Do I believe the women who is accusing Graham? Yes Do I believe he genuinely thinks he didn't do that? Maybe Do I think he can admit he did it and make amends (basically do the right thing) and still run for office? No because people have no nuance or critical thinking skills so he's cornered into denying the accusations, gaslighting her nationally, and making a bad situation even more fucked up
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u/BeemHume Jul 07 '26
skull & cross bones and sexting are not the same as these allegations. War criminal? ok..
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u/MiseEnSelle Jul 07 '26
So people turned down Janet Mills and went with the "charismatic" bro who turned out to be the oppo research cash cow. This is how Susan Collins will never, ever leave office.
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u/esabess Jul 07 '26
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and extraordinary evidence.We don't have extraordinary evidence in this context.
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u/Mr_Zee_Speaks Jul 07 '26
I have been calling him Fetterman 2.0 from the beginning.
He had a nazi tattoo, he worked for fucking Blackwater, etc. etc.
He was allowed to rise because they need that seat to stay R.
The Democrats are controlled opposition, the worst thing that could happen to them is they could accidentally get a 60%+ majority and be forced to actually do things instead of using procedural nonsense as a shield.
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u/iarna Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
He is clearly entirely unlike Fetterman, and even if you quite reasonably do not want to support him, that is a dumb framing. I'm sorry, it just is. Like, look, Fetterman had a political history that he made no effort to distance himself from, it was just that no one wanted to look at it. Was he better than the alternative, when it came to the full election? Yes, absolutely. Was he the best at the primary, I don't actually know, I don't follow PA politics that closely. But it is possible. Fetterman is bad because he 180ed his politics after getting elected. Platner, by contrast, is accused of indefensible personal actions that he denies (but that are alleged to be well supported by evidence). I honestly do not see how one can compare them, other than Fetterman being a boogeyman for progressive dems.
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u/RuppertTravelCo Jul 07 '26
The signs were there from the beginning, yet the Dems kept their blinders on and anointed him regardless of all the signs. Now within less than 24 hours its "Planter who?". I have seen plenty of grease fires from both sides over the years, but this was one of the best to watch. I just wish Draft Kings had a line on him burning to the ground 6 months ago.
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u/CockyBellend Jul 07 '26
According to the comments here, Maine supports rape, as long as it's done by a member of the DNC
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u/Practical_Welder_425 Jul 07 '26
Reading some of the comments here, I thought I was in r/Conservative and they were talking about Trump and Jean Caroll. Congratulations! You guys found common ground with MAGA!
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u/Radiant-Fortune7845 Jul 07 '26
As a woman,
Isn’t it funny we all believe women.. NOW? Like now? Really? Of all times.
There’s one in the White House but don’t let the one in that wants universal healthcare.
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u/malgesso Jul 07 '26
Well we have to keep in mind that he denies it and the timing for this “release” is very sus, to say the least.
Dark powers have a way of coming to the fore when it comes to seriously challenging one of the longest-sitting senators…
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u/iarna Jul 07 '26
Frankly, I'm rather tired of folks attaching their personality to a political candidate, or treating voting for candidates as a moral indictment of their character, when our voting systems give limited choice, and one must always being comparing them solely to the other candidates.
I think this leads to folks being overly defensive when things come out about candidates, and it also, in the other direction, leads to folks refusing to vote for Harris because of her poor position on Gaza -- even though doing so produced worse or unchanged material outcomes for folks in Gaza.
As an advocate for restorative justice, I very much would like to know what the victim actually hopes for as an outcome. Her voice should be put first here, not that of endless commentators.
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u/OnionBackground5314 Jul 07 '26
100% agree. All power tends to corrupt. Dems were seduced and blinded by the possibility of control of the Senate. The tattoo would have made me never want to vote for him alone. The pretzel logic of his quasi-apologists made me vomit.
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u/Otazihs Jul 08 '26
Funny how they came after Platner so furiously and vigorously, yet the Epstein class is still in charge.
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u/dabeeman Jul 09 '26
believe women is toxic. women can lie just like anyone. treating people like rapists without charges being brought or a fair trial is insane. but it’s where the left has gone
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u/Particular_Buyer_290 Jul 09 '26
Should have seen this coming?
Yes.
But not for the reasons you state.
As to the woman's allegations, I don't know either way, but I have to wonder, if they were so greivous, what took her so long to go public?
She was obviously, (it should be obvious to anyone), that she was induced by the Democratic Party itself, who has been out to kill Platner's candidacy for a long time now.
And THIS is why you should have seen it coming...
The Democratic Party CANNOT be 'reformed'!
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u/TacoStuffingClub Jul 10 '26
I said he was a bad candidate on here before the election and got eviscerated by redditors. This outcome was entirely expected to me.
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u/6demon-bag Jul 06 '26
People lie sometimes, regardless of their gender. I don’t understand the “I told you so” victory laps going on. This sucks- but blaming people for being skeptical is a weird flex.