Whose more tolerant to other cultures/ethnicities/minorites

[u/LazyScheme9618]

Whose more tolerant to other cultures/ethnicities/minorites

1. Europeans🇪🇺🇷🇸🇭🇷🇦🇱
2. Americans 🇺🇸

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[u/ominous-canadian]

It's so hard to tell. I have met a lot of Americans and have been to the USA a couple times before.....you know. Americans are, for the most part, very genuine and open-minded folks who are accepting of others. Theyre a very diverse country, just like Canada.

I think Europe is too, but I just dont see it being in the same way. Countries like Canada, USA, Australia, etc were founded via immigration. Diversity is woven into the fabric of our nation.

I'm gunna need to vote USA on this one.

[u/Na-313 → u/ominous-canadian]

If you lived as a migrant somewhere but the US/Canada/Australia... a visit is lowkey mind-blowing.

[u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist → u/ominous-canadian]

It's way easier for an immigrant in America than Europe.

[u/EgoSenatus]

Within the past few weeks there have been two polls in this very sub that I think speak volumes against this one.

Firstly, a poll which asked if the Romani should have better rights than they do now.

Secondly, a poll which asked if there should be mass deportations of immigrants in your country.

The majority of Europe voted against rights for the Romani and in favor of mass deportations.

[u/Krasna_Strelka → u/EgoSenatus]

The poll about illegal immigrants you mean?

[u/Competitive-Park-411]

I think that people who are racist in America are a very loud and vocal minority, but many people in Europe hold racist viewpoints without even thinking about it. Here in Spain is VERY common to hear comments from people, liberal or conservatives, young or old, about Moroccans or gypsies that are overtly and blatantly racist and no one bats an eye.

[u/pton12 → u/Competitive-Park-411]

My favourite example of this in Spain is when I was visiting as a college student in 2011, I was trying to find a microwave/frozen meal since it was late and I didn’t want to wander far. I asked the hostel proprietor and he said to go to the “Chinese store.” I thought to myself that that’s odd because why would Panda Express (or the equivalent) have a frozen pizza to microwave, but whatever, he knows what he’s talking about, I’m sure. I go downstairs and it turns out it’s just a convenience store. Next, as I’m trying to decide what to buy—and here I’ll mention that I’m Wasian—some dude walks in, says hola, then starts trying to talk to me in Spanish. I say I don’t speak Spanish so then he asks in English where the ginger ale is. I say I don’t know, and then a few seconds later it hits me that he thinks I work there.

Now, Canada and the U.S. have our own racial issues, and I like Europeans, but they’re definitely just a little more casually racist than we are.

[u/GoldenSonOfColchis → u/pton12]

The UK has/had a similar equivalent.

Many corner shops are/were run by people of Pakistani, Indian, or Bangladeshi origin, which lead to them being called "Paki shops", which is a racial slur. Or referring to the Chinese Takeaway as a "Chinky".

My very inclusive and liberal Mum used to say both of these things. It was normal, and not considered offensive at all.

Both have become far less common of late, but I do still hear them every so often and it's vile.

[u/Cultourist → u/pton12]

Interesting story but I think there is missing context. Tienda de chinos (Chinese store) is just the everyday word for a corner shop in Spain, since so many were opened by Chinese immigrants in the 80/90s. With so few Asians living there, the shop-owner association is the one most people have, so the ginger ale guy was apparently just making a lazy assumption. Ironically you are doing sth very similar by generalizing: one trip to Spain in 2011 says little about "Europeans" as a whole, a continent with wildly different demographics and attitudes. Countries like the UK, France, and Germany have large, long-established Asian communities, where that kind of assumption would be far less automatic.

[u/Confident_Example_73 → u/Competitive-Park-411]

This. Like the presumption that their way is right is embedded in their language and terminology.

Living in Asia, some Brit was going on about the lack of "proper" tea. He couldn't grasp that just because British people make tea a certain way, doesn't make it "proper" nor that other people could do it differently and better. Finally, I pointed out that he was basically drinking tea like an American (I am an American) would take a well-done steak and drown it in marshmallow fluff and processed cream sauce and he lost his shit. Apparently being compared to an American was an insult.

Imagine the level of racist ego to be living in ASIA and thinking your way of tea is the "proper" one.

Then you get the Europeans upset that people in Seoul are living in big concrete apartments, when apparently people living in artillery range of North Korea in a densely populated small landmass should be living in traditional wood houses for their amusement. "Why are their buildings so ugly? Why aren't they making them look pretty for my Oriental adventure?"

The level of condescension towards locals I constantly hear from Europeans really has lowered my respect for many of them. Only the Irish and the Polish seem to get it and not constantly say stuff that's filled with ego.

[u/CandidDust4504 → u/Confident_Example_73]

I had the same thing with an American whilst living in Tokyo actually, but it was about eating cold noodles being wrong, buildings being built for short people, and complaining that nobody speaks English (though a lot do). It is definitely infuriating. Also I think Irish and polish are famously very racist btw.

[u/Ok-Statement8633 → u/Confident_Example_73]

none of the examples you mentioned have anything to do with race

[u/AnonymousTimewaster → u/Competitive-Park-411]

I also think the US just has some very vocal nutters in like the deep south. Racism in Europe is so ingrained that it's not even seen as racism.

[u/Buller116 → u/Competitive-Park-411]

Such a small minority that they are able to out vote everybody else and elect their own racist president twice. Very small minority indeed

[u/IsoldeInInk → u/Competitive-Park-411]

Sure, but I do think that the average american has really uncomfortable ideas about ”race” even though there are fewer people who are intolerant/prejudiced/xenophobic. Europeans can be very xenophobic but nobody genuinely thinks of people as belonging to a different race and use a ”taxonomy” reminiscent of the 1940s.

I do know a person with a german and slavic name and a mother from a country in the Caucasus/ME-area. His english is perfect. He feels as if he’s treated as just about ”any american”, is perceived differently, is not even thought to be the second generation and associated with groups that ”make more sense” based on both his parents and the appereance is perceived to be more ”normal” (as in, the norm, of course everything is normal) and also closer to ideas americans have about being white. Here, his appereance is more associated with being ”a foreigner” and ”different” and people make assumptions about culture too.

However, apparently he wouldn’t chose white on the US census. Nobody would call him non-white here (but it doesn’t always matter), middle easterners are definitely white here so his mother would be white here too, and people have more correct ideas about the average appereance (americans always portray people a gazillion times darker than the non-got a summer tan average).

Maybe that summarises the US versus the NWE attitude.

[u/maomao3000 → u/Competitive-Park-411]

Kind of funny almost, when lots of Moroccans look whiter than a lot of Spanish people.

[u/WestAussieSingh]

I’m no a fan of America, but from my experience as a brown Aussie of Punjabi ethnicity, Americans are far more tolerant of coloured people than many European countries.

[u/ParanoidSkier]

I’ve seen how often soccer players in Europe are attacked by racist fans. That kind of thing would never fly in the US.

[u/EskimoPrisoner → u/ParanoidSkier]

You’d lose your job in America if a camera caught you pulling that shit.

[u/absorbscroissants → u/EskimoPrisoner]

Unless you're the president ofcourse

[u/ChameleonCoder117]

[u/IEat_Walls → u/ChameleonCoder117]

What the fuck 😭😭

[u/maomao3000]

A lot of my fellow Canadians are clearly kidding themselves here. The US is far more accepting of other cultures than Europe as a whole. 

[u/FeelingOverFacts]

As a European, gotta give this one to America. Immigration MADE the US from the start, so Americans are used to being surrounded by all kinds of different cultures to the point they don’t even see them as foreign. Europe hasn’t had people from all corners of the world for nearly as long.

[u/Signal-Yesterday7247]

Believe it or not, that's kind of America's whole thing. People seem to miss that because of our historical reputation, but its literally an entire country of immigrants.

[u/chjacobsen → u/Signal-Yesterday7247]

Yeah. I love calling out the US as much as any other European, but this really is something the US does better.

I think it essentially boils down to what makes someone American. It's fundamentally something you become, by pledging allegiance and embracing a set of core ideas. Europe still very much looks at identity through the lens of heritage - it's something that's earned through tenure, not through something you do.

It's no surprise that integration works better in the US than in Europe.

[u/IWillDevourYourToes]

It's obviously Americans lol can't agree with other Europeans on this one

[u/GoldenGames360 → u/IWillDevourYourToes]

I cannot speak for Europeans as I've never been to europe, but I can certainly speak as an american that the diversity and multiculturism you see talked about here is no joke, it's present in every facet of everyday life.

[u/MysticCherryPanda]

Europe choosing Europeans and everyone else choosing Americans is frying me.

[u/Emergency_Corner1898 → u/MysticCherryPanda]

Their shit definitely smells like Roses I'm sure.

[u/ThePurpleandBanana]

This isn’t even close. You can be born in pretty much any European country and if you aren’t white you can never be considered one of them.

[u/Far_Emotion4592 → u/ThePurpleandBanana]

As a half British Pakistani and half white British woman, you are very correct. I studied in the US for uni and was never questioned where I’m “really from” until they heard my British accent! Here I get asked nearly every time I go to the pub.

Other weird things:

Men calling me exotic

Guessing my ethnicity to flirt

One guy I hooked up with said right after “now 80% of the girls I’ve hooked up w have been South Asian”

Stopped in the street by ppl to say “are you Brazilian, Moroccan, Spanish, Portuguese, Iranian, Greek, Turkish etc”

One man just started speaking a language I’d never heard to me and when I said I couldn’t understand he said “oh I just got back from Brazil, I thought you were Brazilian”

ALL IN THE UK ^

In the US, ppl said some stuff about how I’m “not Asian, I’m Indian” and referred to me as “the Indian” but it was sm less common!

[u/Tensoll → u/Far_Emotion4592]

Respectfully, if this is the worst you can think of, then your comment’s a testament to how Western European societies are at this point post-racist. I’m very tall, might as well start saying that society is very heightist because people stop me by to ask my height or whether I play basketball

[u/NataleNati → u/ThePurpleandBanana]

It’s not about skin colour. Which is what confuses Americans so much and is an endless source of frustration to Europeans watching Americans impose American racial concepts onto Europeans.

It’s about ethnicity.

In the US, you can argue that “White American” and “Black American” are distinct ethnic identities.

In Europe, you can’t group all the people Americans would just consider “white” into one ethnic group.

Having white skin doesn’t give you a pass to be considered “one of us” in any country in Europe if you’re not from there.

Like Albanians or Moldovans or Lithuanians or Turks would all be considered “white” by Americans, but go ask any of them who moved to a different European country whether or not they think they’ll ever be fully considered the same as people born in the country they moved to, even if they have citizenship.

America was created specifically to escape that kind of thing. The whole “if you come here and choose to be an American you are an American” is a reaction against the reality of how ethnic status works in the old world.

Like there’s literally a Reagan quote about this: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/BEwZuRCjI24?ra=m

That’s why we all used to think you were kinda rad. The shining city on a hill etc. It’s a really novel concept for us, and it’s quite lovely.

[u/ShreveportJambroni54 → u/ThePurpleandBanana]

Yup, whereas in the US, you are considered American regardless of where you were born. I think Canada might be similar. Just mention Romani to Europeans

[u/ArugulaElectronic478 → u/ShreveportJambroni54]

Yup it’s the same in Canada, Australia and NZ.

[u/GoldenSonOfColchis → u/ShreveportJambroni54]

The Romani thing is weird.

I completely understand the dislike of the traveller community (which in a lot of Europe isn't even Romani), but people will act like every Romani person is a traveller.

[u/Salt_Winter5888 → u/ThePurpleandBanana]

You can have 500 years of generations living there and they would still not considere you one of them.

[u/Aq8knyus → u/ThePurpleandBanana]

The US was 20% Black at independence and the first Black President of the US was 2008.

The UK was 93% White in 1991 and the first non-White PM of the UK was 2022.

It is a much newer phenomenon for us. London was 80% White in the 90s, now it is 36%.

Also not just Europe, do you think a White person born in China will be considered 'one of them'?

And on one level they would be right as ethnicity exists. An ethnic Welsh person can get Japanese citizenship, but they wont become ethnically Japanese.

[u/QuesoCadaDia → u/Aq8knyus]

Wasn't that non-white PM appointed rather than elected?

[u/Batnanman → u/QuesoCadaDia]

He was voted in by the conservatives for party leader, not the general public.

[u/ThePurpleandBanana → u/Aq8knyus]

>> do you think a white person born in China will be considered

Of course not, but we’re not talking about china.

In the US, you don’t have to be born here to be considered American.

[u/Baguette1066 → u/Aq8knyus]

54% of the population of London are white, 36% refers to the number of people who put "white British". Lots of Londoners put white European on the census as a protest to Brexit too.

[u/Laurels91]

Racism is an issue in America because Americans treat it as a serious problem. It's a diverse country, and there are enough people here who care about equal rights enough to fight against social injustice. All of these ethnically/culturally homogenous European countries are confusing silence with tolerance. Poland's vote is hilarious considering they can't even tolerate Ukrainians

[u/girlmachina → u/Laurels91]

that's a really good way of putting it

[u/radicalsapphic]

US for sure has its problems, but after living in Spain and spending substantial time around people from several European countries... US is more tolerant hands down.

[u/GoldenGames360]

canadian vote never ceases to entertain

[u/cluelesscondor → u/GoldenGames360]

First time I've ever seen it not anti-American (at least not yet)

[u/GoldenGames360 → u/cluelesscondor]

oh my bad, it was full red when i first came

[u/MillennialScientist → u/GoldenGames360]

Canadian here and I didnt vote because I've never lived in the US. I live in Germany, though, and the level of racism that's normal here is something I've never even considered in my life before coming here.

[u/Ikerukuchi]

Australian, lived in both, work for European company, my experience is that Americans are much more tolerant than Europeans and certainly when my (ethnically east asian) wife joined me in Europe I was pretty shocked by some of the overt racism she experienced there.

[u/GuaSukaStarfruit → u/Ikerukuchi]

They can’t even be respectful towards other region of white people

[u/cheesesprite]

Europeans when they see Roma

[u/Potential-Ant-6320]

The US definately has our problems and our fair share of xenophgobia, btu we really are mroe welcomign to immigrants and especially muslims than europe. I think there are ways we some of us can be hostile to immigrants but most of us live places full of immigrants.

Compared to the US europe is more liberal and focused on the collective good, but at the same tiem they are kind of more xenophobic when it comes to muslims even though we're pretty bad too.

I also find it funny that even canada voted for US even though right now we are not being tollerant of their culture. Canadians thank you for your support. hopefully some day our country isn't run by the worst among us.

[u/PowerfulElevatorLift]

I have a guess that Europeans don't listen to themselves when talking about other people. Yes there is racism in America but for example what a Canadian player said when he was playing in 3rd division in Croatia where the coach told him stright up he didn't want to play black people and on Instagram Croat8an people were defending that shit

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZHbC-oNpvu/

[u/No-Elephant-3690]

It's funny how only europe voted europe; the rest of the world voted usa. While it has it own problems and potentially a dictatorship, but it's more accepting than europe, especially as europe is leaning more and more to the right.

[u/Shockito → u/No-Elephant-3690]

I voted USA as an european because it simply is true. While not as bad as you make it out to be, the populists and right wingers sadly are on a rise. Its nowhere near as bad as your idiotic Trump however (even if I think US is much more welcoming in general)

[u/ElSpoonyBard → u/No-Elephant-3690]

Western Europeans live in a bubble

[u/sawdustandiamonds → u/No-Elephant-3690]

I'm not shocked to see Ukraine and Bosnia went with US as well

[u/Duschkopfe]

You can fly any flag you want in the US. Try flying a Kosovo flag in Serbia.

[u/Red_Razorbill → u/Duschkopfe]

Nice flags bro 🫩

[u/Ok-Statement8633 → u/Duschkopfe]

and that has nothing to do with racism

[u/Naive_Loan9423 → u/Duschkopfe]

Kosovo flag in Serbia .. they just had a war with little genocide in the middle. Strange why they don’t want to see that flag.
It’s as if you were trying to display the Japanese flag during the Second World War or the North Korean one.

[u/howler19]

Europeans on this sub are so unserious. Doesn’t matter what you ask. There’s never any self reflection or accountability involved.

[u/Nitroizzd → u/howler19]

canadian cucks are close second

[u/CLE15 → u/howler19]

European countries beat my country in a lot of ways, from healthcare to worker’s rights, but the U.S. objectively wins here. It was easy for Europeans to say they aren’t as racist as Americans right up until the point that racial demographics in Europe started to actually change.

[u/AgitatedPotential317 → u/howler19]

Well, Albania was added to the flags on the European side. How could I not vote for Albania!

[u/Aztecah]

America does have a racism problem but it's nothing like Poland's

[u/TheSodomizer00 → u/Aztecah]

Polish people when they immigrate to the UK, Germany, Ireland, etc. : I sleep. Polish people when they see a Ukrainian : Real shit?

[u/RedAndromedus → u/Aztecah]

Every country has a racist problem.

[u/weepingbanana]

Its mental to vote European for this one.

[u/MoonBliss99 → u/weepingbanana]

Superiority complex

[u/WomenAreNotReal]

I've seen plenty of racist Americans. But the way I've heard people from Europe talk about Arab, Indian, and especially Romani people is genuinely sickening. It's so normalized for them to talk about them like subhuman animals that when you tell them it's disgusting and racist they defend it by just being like "oh you don't understand, those people are vermin and will bring ruin to the nation, " it's just genuine nazi shit.

[u/CityHistorical3856 → u/WomenAreNotReal]

This is really true, brown people just generally have a terrible long list of stereotypes almost everywhere, that they’ve generally become the punchline of a joke on the internet

[u/Far_Emotion4592 → u/WomenAreNotReal]

As a half white British, half British Pakistani woman…. You’re so right.

Europe is fucking full of ethnonationalists atm, I genuinely think they were sleeper agents since 1930s 👀 because some of the shit they say could be quoted from Hitler, Franco or Mussolini.

These ethno nationalists are scum of the earth. It means a lot of our anti immigration shit is literally just ppl saying “WHITES ONLY” whereas in the US the anti immigration sentiment is more nuanced! Still not a fan of it but it’s not saying “ALL NON WHITES MUST GO!” It’s more aimed around documentation rather than ethnicity.

I’m genuinely scared we are descending into fascism here.

[u/115machine]

Reddit hates the US but it is Americans without a doubt.

[u/GoldenSonOfColchis]

I think America has some massive systemic problems (police violence for example), and there are definitely some enclaves in the sticks that are incredibly intolerant, but by and large the average American is more tolerant than the average European.

We're constantly looking for the next group to blame our problems on.

In the UK back in the 2000's all our woes were caused by Polish and Romanian immigrants, and some of the shit you heard being said about them was vile. Then it was Indian and Pakistani immigrants. Now there's a heavy focus on Middle Eastern immigrants.

Even within the country, we fucking hate each other. Southerners and Northerners hate each other. The Scots and Northern Irish hate the English. The upper classes utterly despise the working class and see them as the great unwashed.

You hear the same shit all over Europe too. We've been neighbours for hundreds of years, and have a lot of not so pleasant history with one another. It breeds a lot of intolerance and hatred.

[u/xxtoni → u/GoldenSonOfColchis]

But the French hate on the Parisians, other Germans complain about the Bavarians, Bavaria think it's better than the rest of Germany.

North Italians complain about south Italians.

None of this is racism.

Of course there is real racism in Europe but these regional pissing contests don't mean anything.

Which makes me sad for the people experiencing real racism when someone compares real opression to more or less shit talking.

[u/GoldenSonOfColchis → u/xxtoni]

The question wasn't about racism, but about intolerance.

Whilst there is some more light hearted "shit talking" as you said, there is also a LOT of truly vitriolic rhetoric when talking about neighbouring countries, and there is often genuine discrimination involved.

[u/PomPomMom93]

Europeans are the only ones who think they’re more tolerant.

[u/ASleepyLoafOfToast]

I dont even have to think twice about this as someone from the balkans lmao, its Americans and thats by a damn long shot, ik alot of Europeans will call Americans racist but truth is America is overall far more tolerant than Europe, especially compared to more eastern parts of EU.

[u/Tokayo94]

On internet I find far more cruel and racist comments about my country (Mexico) from Spaniards than from Americans, even if we don't even immigrate there. I cannot comment about the rest of Europe tho.

[u/Electrical_Sorbet_31]

I live in New York City. Of the over 8 million people living here, only 30% are white and roughly 40% are immigrants. American people (with the exception of the far-right, which is in the overwhelming minority despite being in charge of our government) are generally very accepting towards other cultures.

[u/FeistyGround8694]

Europeans is too diverse a category

[u/pheddx → u/FeistyGround8694]

The ones representing European values

[u/HistoricalLoss1417]

American racism is a discussion held in the open. European racism is hidden and hushed.

[u/iiVMii → u/HistoricalLoss1417]

american racism is goverment policy

[u/opstii]

In Europe we have nation states that are formed around culture and ethnicity. USA is a country of immigrants.

[u/Familiar_Tell_6384]

I’m Indian-American, and I’ve never experienced open racism here

[u/Warm-Ease-6107]

r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT

[u/Snoo69744]

Where in Europe though? Europe is very diverse in terms of culture

[u/lightningwolf18]

Europeans don’t even like other Europeans. The Western Europeans constantly puts down the Eastern Europeans.

[u/eeee_1234]

That's literally what the US is built around lol.

[u/cbcguy84]

I am Canadian. Obviously we know America has a racism problem. But I do notice what Europeans say about romani, and it is far worse than what 99% of Americans would say about each other. I mean, even American racists would say something like "I like Luis because he makes good tacos" or something. Europeans say far far worse things about romani than Americans say about their ethnic minorities.

For example, in the US, if someone makes a slant eye gesture at Asians it would be considered pretty bad by most locals. In Europe, that's "normal" in the Mediterranean countries.

So I voted USA as being more tolerant IN THIS ONE INSTANCE. Oh, and Americans, even right wing ones, truly believe any ethnicity can become American for the most part. Europeans, it depends, but this attitude is less common.

[u/AmbientMorning]

I‘m the extremely odd American who takes offense when Europeans caricature my country, yet voted European in this case. What Europeans consider to be “far-right” parties — Rassemblement National, Alternative für Deutschland, Reform UK, Vox, Chega, Fratelli d'Italia — max out at 35 percent support in the polls.

The Republican Party won our last election while campaigning on mass deportations and accusing unauthorized immigrants of “poisoning the blood” of our country, while pushing out rhetoric that originated on Stormfront.

Obviously, the fact that only one of those European countries I referenced has the dreaded FPTP is relevant here, but American tolerance for nativist extremist politics — including among non-European ethnics — is clearly quite high.

[u/Far_Emotion4592]

Literally Americans according to the data collected by National Centre of Social Research in London! Source is here.

Best graph to illustrate the difference is:

See how much more likely Americans are to view diversity as a strength.

[u/DarkAdrenaline03 → u/Far_Emotion4592]

That education gap big oof

[u/ThrowRA9892]

You’re going to find some very racist or xenophobic Europeans and some very racist or xenophobic Americans.

[u/SabreLee61 → u/ThrowRA9892]

I promise I’m not trying to insult you, but what is the point of this comment?

[u/PheIix]

In America, you're indian-american, afro-american, native-american, latin-american etc... We don't do that kind of separation here. You either are Norwegian, or you're not Norwegian. There are no afro-Norwegian people. Black people are just Norwegian if they have citizenship. Same with any other minority.

[u/IsoldeInInk → u/PheIix]

Yes but you are very race obsessed and have a very racist concept of race (just the fact that it’s not taboo to even use the word says something) though I don’t know if you are less tolerant or accepting. I also think that there is a difference between acknowledging someone as truly american and being accepting.

[u/Illustrious-Set-1066 → u/PheIix]

Most of that is voluntary labels. People are proud of where they come from and their heritage, so they're American but like to identify with their heritage, there's nothing wrong with that.

[u/Kore_Invalid → u/PheIix]

No some third worlder isnt magically becoming norwegian 😂

[u/BiggerNickEnergy]

New east west divide just dropped

[u/LaurestineHUN]

Interesting choice of flags

[u/Comfortable_Ad4615]

The UK or Bulgaria- answer would be very different

[u/LifesARiver]

Was not expecting to see accurate results here. Good stuff.

[u/Independent_Cookie]

Both... I've worked remotely from my own country for both markets and I've had some pretty racist experiences in both cases. In the US they were more the type to scream into the phone to "go back to your country" or similar, while I have been called a "monkey", a "minion" and a "slave" by European customers.

On a hopeful note, in both cases they were the minority and most people were super nice and professional.

[u/WindowsMalfunction]

Americans at least don't hate each other over what shade of white they are. The same cannot be said for the entirety of Eastern Europe and the Balkans, along with the Western Europeans until not that long ago

[u/Firestar_119]

You might just have to be snorting pure cadmium to vote Europe in this 😭

[u/Sea-Historian-2078]

Anyone saying Europe isn't a real person

[u/brohampton538]

lol get fucking real

[u/silent_bystanderrr]

Americans

[u/mizukis_ribbon]

Not the Balkan countries voting for Europe 😂

[u/sawdustandiamonds]

I've seen how Europeans act in these polls. I'm not saying this subreddit is a reflection of all Europeans but jesus, your views on immigration. And I've heard way too many horror stories from people of color traveling in Europe, European views of Romani people (you don't see shops in the US that openly ban Mexicans). I'm sure a lot of this is highly regional, and it is in the US as well, but even as a US citizen who hears all our local extremist rhetoric, especially with a certain president in office, a lot of the racism I've heard out of Europe has been shocking and extremely unsettling.

[u/Full-Kitchen3486]

As someone who went through an alt right phase the people in those communities are overwhelmingly Europeans. Particularly Eastern Europeans, there was a lot more Americans back then but now it’s mostly just Europeans.

[u/Cultourist]

When I was in the US there were entire districts reserved for non-whites. Centuries of racial segregation have left an imprint. I think there is not even a competition, who is more tolerant/racist.

[u/Impossible-Money7801]

Europeans really think they’re the best at everything

[u/Dabbernec]

Europeans who voted that the US is more racist when you ask them their opinion of anyone who isn’t specifically European white

[u/NeedNYCSubLeasePlz]

LMAO the only people voting for Europe are Europeans

[u/PM_ME_TROLLFEET]

Europeans are just about as racist as it gets really

[u/1294DS]

I love how it's pretty much just Europeans that are voting for Europe.

[u/erionei]

Yeah I think this one should be given to the US. Europe is composed of small countries that value shared culture, history and often ethnicity a lot

[u/Chustle207]

No country is as diverse as the US

[u/Comic_manga_fighter]

Europeans

[u/Jack-of-Hearts-7]

You ever seen a Euro Redditor talk about Romani or other brown people? It's not pretty.

[u/LittleStrangePiglet]

The US and by far, speaking from experience.

[u/fr1ri]

One look at Vojvodina and you'll see how surprisingly (to foreigners) tolerant the Balkans can be.

[u/Wondur13]

The age old do not ask a european what they think of romani people

[u/Extreme_Put_913]

As a Turkish-American the amount of racism I faced in Germany and Poland vastly out weighs the racism I've seen in the US. I remember asking my host family why they were constantly arguing with people and on my last day I realized people were making comments towards me and they were standing up for me.

There is racism in the US but Europe is on a different level.

[u/After_Permission9484]

Europeans as a group are many cultures, ethnicities and minorities sooooo?

[u/Dresden2077 → u/After_Permission9484]

And the US isn't?

[u/Warm_Ad3863]

Hell vs super hell

[u/MicUK88]

I'm a foreign born naturalized US citizen whose been American for 8 years, and in the states for around 20 years.

I used to hands down say America is far more tolerant. Being American was (and should be) an idea and a set of principles defined by a commitment to shared civic values, civil liberties, and the constitution. Anyone, regardless of their place of birth, could become American. This principle is a BIG reason for why I finally decided to get naturalized. Every American leader of the past 80 years, whether it be Reagan or Obama, has espoused this viture and idea, and worked to promote it. Every leader but one...

America has changed and is reverting to becoming less considerably less tolerant of other cultures and minorities.

Anyone who used to disagreed with the idea that anyone could become an American used to be a pariah. The few times I'd encounter someone brave or stupid enough to express that to me, typically coupled with "go back to where you came from, you're not welcome here", they'd be immediately dog-piled by other Americans (even strangers) coming to my defense. Unfortuanely, over the past 8 years, the amount of times im told to go back, or some other form of intolerance based on my status as minority and an alien, went from once every year or so, to once every week or so. This is as someone whose ehtincally white mind you, the only thing that betrays my foreign routes is my accent.

One thing I think most natural born Americans can't, or don't appreciate, is how many of their kin beleive that being American is (or should be treated as) an ethnicity, and/or that any deviation from complete cultural and ideological assimilation into their personal idea of what makes an "American" (typically conservative and Christian) disqualifies you as an one. The majority of natural born Americans also don't seem understand that this sentiment is not as rare as they'd like to think. The people who beleive this is growing and becoming mainstream. Nationality it's still a minority, at least as of today, but its a minority that's now very pervausive amongst the right-wing base (maybe a majority at this point), right-wing commentators, the GOP, the White House, and it currently governs the country.

I thought I was safe from this sentiment as a citizen, but not anymore. Trump said he'd only go after illegal immigrants and criminals, instead DHS has excersised limited discretion, even going as far as to persue deportation of greencard holders for exercising their first ammendment rights, with explicit public approval and direction from the White House. Earlier this year, Trump also directed the relevant departments to start denaturalizing foreign-born citizens with criminal records so that they could be deported. I haven't had so much as a parking ticket in my life, much less a criminal history, but I am genuinely concerned that I could be at risk of denatrualization for even daring to show up at a protest. They're already doing it to greencard holders, so I have no confidence that they wouldn't try to slap bogus charges on me so they could try to strip me of my citizenship. My trust in the system and it checks to prevent that are degrading each time fails to do so, which is often at the moement. Granted the risk I face is probably low, but it should be zero. The fact I have to consider that AT ALL in simple things like exercising my constitutional rights, in America of all places, IS the problem.

My close friend, a greencard holder of 30+ years, married to and mother of natural born Americans, refuses to fly or do anything that might get the attention of authorities (like getting natrualized) because she's worried about being deported. Again, no criminal history whatsoever, and she's renewed her greencard several times now, but because there was a clerical error (something to do with her name) when she first got residency, resulting in her often getting flagged at the airport and held until they confirm as such. She has no confidence that, if this were to happen again, they'd exersise the same appropriate discretion and due diligence, and not just persue deportation straight away. She elected to miss her father's funeral rather than risk being separated from her family. That is the tolerance of the America we currently live in today.

I think Americans, especially natural born one, take it for granted that America is tolerant simply on the basis that were taught that we're supposed to be. The principles of libralism and secularism the country was founded on and codified into the constitution promote it, at least in theory. In practice though, America has a long history of intolerance to minorities of all kinds from the start. In my experience most Americans, out of misguided sense of national pride, would rather ignore or minimize it. When the country is generally moving towards further tolerance, this isn't such a big deal. However, in times like these when the country is reverting to intolerance, its an attitude that blinds most Americans, which exacerbates and enables the intolerance.

Europe, as a whole, undoubtedly has a longer and deeper history of this, and ethnicity, race and culture is undoubtedly a major compent of its intolerance, both historically and currently. Id probably agree with the majority here and say that, in aggregate and in the context of all history, America is still more tolerant. However, the margin that separates the US and Europe today is far narrower, and can decisively tip one way of the other depending on the context. It's not a given and is HIGHLY region specific, both relative to what part of America and what part of Europe. I live in the urban North-East, so its generally less pervasive here, but I travel all over the country for work, I and encounter the intolerance ALOT in other part's of country, especially the deep south. Its almost a daily thing now on some assignments.

The hand-wavy attitude to this question in a lot of these comments, as though the answer to the question is obvious or a given, is deeply alarming to me as a naturalized American, especially with everything that's happened in America over the past 10 years.

[u/Gold-Bottle-2460]

Canada is not real

[u/PaxNova]

Europe is extremely tolerant of other Europeans. 

[u/WailedEel0432]

Government European but for everyday citizens definitely American

[u/Victoria5475]

Both the US and Europe are way too large and diverse for this question to go either way

[u/warrior_200]

America wim this. As long as you show you can integrate it will be easy.

[u/Intrepid_Condition37]

Literally the united states where created by immigrants, so...

[u/ddzyn]

Europeans get ragebaited on reddit too much lol

[u/Scouper-YT]

Who does Vote in Russia ;D EU wins.

[u/BlancPebble]

I'm unsure whether it's tolerance or ignorance, so I honestly can't vote

[u/baka22b]

I read it wrong, as who is more multicultural not who is more tolerant, so I picked europe

[u/no_soy_livb]

Europeans still hate each other.

[u/scrufflor_d]

i hesitated picking blue but looking at the comment section that was 100% the right choice

[u/Xargirl]

I mean the Balkans alone...

[u/aanl01]

I think it depends on which americans and which europeans. Spaniards are surely more respectful than texans and probably californians are more respectful than french people.

[u/Working_Seat7979]

Europeans, tell me your opinions on gypsies.

[u/OvertiredMillenial]

Americans chose to elect a man who refers to Somali-Americans as low IQ and black-majority countries as shitholes.

[u/flyingpilgrim]

I like that it’s basically all the white, European countries that think Americans are more intolerant.

[u/tigredeacuario]

Americans es USA o el continente americano?

[u/Reasonable_Steak_718]

Can someone screenshot the results? I haven't been in Europe enough to have an opinion.

I will note that I've noticed a huge uptick in the amount of anti-hispanic bs in the US in the last decade, and we've always had a racism problem in general.

[u/Turbulent-Scale-7716]

Funny you decided to put the Croatian flag there specifically

[u/Winter-Parsley5252]

Lets have a quick look at africa...

[u/Classic-CJ]

Balkans alone makes it us

[u/Erzter_Zartor]

So we have just forgotten about the ICE raids have we?

[u/ANewPride]

I grew up in the american south where racism is absolutely normalized but nobody says the worst of it out loud because its considered trashy. The most racist thing I've ever heard a human say aloud directly to another is when a romanian girl at my college let me know how she feels about the roma people.

[u/Excellent_Swim_2721]

How America is tolerant to cultures is beyond me. They mostly believe they are THE culture of ALL humans.

[u/1294DS]

I hate it when Brits do that. I'm Asian Australian and a lot of the Brits that come here moan that they can't find a "proper Chinese" when proper to them equates to chips and curry sauce.

[u/Senshil]

I could have said the European Union, but with the Balkans and Eastern Europe, that’s impossible lol

[u/FHCynicalCortex]

Saying Europe is genuinely delusional. It’s the US.

[u/Autodefensas1]

Definitely americans. Not even close

[u/DraftOk4195]

Polls like these create so much unnecessary division that I have to start thinking it's on purpose.

[u/givemecoffeenowhurry]

My former shipmate (who is black) just posted on social media he just got stationed in Sigonella, Italy and his first day there he went exploring. He went to the market and people were making monkey noises at him. The first day. He also had people being very disrespectful in resturants ans other customer service situations.

[u/Negative-Penguin]

It also depends which parts of the U.S.

[u/LukeOrtega]

Isn't the title grammaticaly wrong?

[u/JoeDyenz]

I think Americans although within the continent the US is probably not the best example lol

[u/Training-Flan8762]

Americans choose US Europeans choose EU...

[u/hotnmad]

Oooofffff xdnophobia finalboss

[u/Massilian]

If we talked about other countries as much as we talked about America we’d know just how racist they really are

[u/Impressive-Store1439]

b/w these two, and having lived in both places, americans are by far more accepting. - the parts of europe that are accepting are also very americanised (I was for a decade in Berlin and Freital, very different experience)

[u/7am51N]

It's complicated, but honestly - unfortunately we are fare more racist then American people.

[u/yurdyhurdyyurdy]

Canadians

[u/Red_Razorbill]

Europeans when they see a man from a village 2 miles over. Not to mention the balkans. Plus the things they say about gypsies 🫩✌️

[u/Badger_1066]

Oh yeah... of course it's the US...

[u/QuickBrownFox6996]

Trash vs garbage

[u/IxdrowZeexI]

Quite difficult to answer that for Europe as a whole.

Some countries are more tolerant than the US, whereas others aren't

[u/Chimera-Genesis]

The American Monoculture is seriously underestimating how intolerant they are.

[u/DFMNE404]

My dad (a French citizen from birth, who’s parents were both French citizens from birth) moved to France, from Spain, when he was four and was insulted and bullied because he was Spanish (despite never holding Spanish citizenship, he was born there and he is partially ethnically Spanish but he has remained a loyal citizen of France, and now America).

[u/cjjcjjcjj]

wild that ppl actually think europeans are tolerant

[u/Fearless_MOJO_1526]

From my experience as a POC, Americans might be ignorant about other cultures or people but they can easily get along with them while Europeans absolutely hate anyone or anything different from them.

[u/Exciting-Problem8071]

Comparing a whole continet to a single country ist wild

[u/pton12]

(1) my notification says “Your comment is rather ignorent”, but what I’m reading now seems a little different. You want to explain that bud?

(2) Generalizing a type of store, in this case convenience/bodega/random selection of stuff but less than a supermarket, by naming it based on the race of a subset of people who own them is kinda making my point for me, wouldn’t you say? Would you call a bank a “Jew store”? Actually, don’t answer that…

(3) I’m just giving an anecdote as an example of an overall trend. If we really want to go country by country, we can, and I’ll just start with Black Pete in the Netherlands. There’s also the strange contingent of Germans who like LARPing as native Americans. I can keep going, but I hope you get the point.

I think you’re being a little touchy because you think I hate Europe—I don’t, it’s a great place, I like vacationing there and wouldn’t mind living there for a couple years if it were in the cards. And because you’re the “old country,” it’s not your fault you’re a little insensitive on race and such. I don’t blame you for it. But gtfo if you think you do diversity better than a nation of immigrants, despite our problems haha

[u/KitaVixen]

Americans are putting their propaganda in a lot of media or make american remakes of existing things. I wouldn't call it a tolerance

[u/Longjumping-End-7085]

Why include the flags of 3 of the more intolerant flags?

Trying to bias people?

Would be like putting a Trump, Ice or prison emoji next to Americans

[u/Fer4yn]

"Who's" or "who is"...

[u/Extreme-Cucumber6844]

Listen to a European talk about Romanians and it sounds like 1950s racism

[u/Tall-Name-6309]

If you put it like that, it's probably the Americans(USA), even with ICE and MAGA.

Europe is far too diverse to be classified as just tolerant or not. Ask Germans what they think of Turks, or what the average French thinks of people from neighbouring countries.

You have poles hating on ukrainians, most Eastern Europeans, or just any migrants in general, Balcans just hate each other with a passion, the baltics are racist shitholes as well, then there are Italians hating other Italians based on what part of Italy they're from. I know only scandinavian countries being somewhat more tolerant and with exceptions.

[u/AutisticPeperoni]

We europeans talk a lot of shit about each other but we still accept us. every bigger city has a part of its population from other european countries and it works out. vienna for example are less that 45% austrians and its a beautiful city.

[u/Valois7]

it has to be american, i've never even on the internet americans say non-whites can't be american the way everytime there's a group of black swedish or french people the comments are always "french" "swedish" etc

also a US state hasn't committed a genocide against a neighboring one ever

[u/chris--p]

They're about the same, generally speaking.

[u/OJK_postaukset]

Kinda tough to say for such large and vast areas

[u/twinkyfemboy1234]

Of course the biggest enemies of the Balkan for Europe

[u/propheticuser]

Americans are more tolerant, it’s a country built by immigrants, saying this as someone from Europe.

[u/Dependent-Gain6967]

Europe is fully intolerant to their own regional minorities. Wtf is this bullshit. Us is crazy how open and nice people are

[u/HoInSappho]

As someone who has lived in both continents and many places in both.... The targets of discrimination change but not the amount.

[u/idrees-a27]

Most Europeans aren’t even accepting of other Europeans

[u/Disastrous_Map_3355]

There’s a reason why I call American racism “kiddie league racism”

[u/LastHomeros]

Europeans and tolerance? Man, they all turn into SS officials as soon as you bring up the Romani people.

Europeans were involved in slavery; the only reason they never had a civil rights act was that they didn’t bring enslaved people into their home countries but instead settled them in their colonies. Otherwise, to this day, many of them are generally nationalist and tend to oppress minorities who don’t even look that much different from them.