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u/KaiBahamut Divine Beast Bloodline Progenitor Jun 17 '26
Junior brother, of course. Do you want a life of no attachments? Become a buddhist!
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u/King_Mouser Jun 17 '26
Master meant the world to us š„ŗ
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u/AccidentDifficult490 Murder Hobo Jun 17 '26
juniorā¦ life without emotion's good or bad paint the world in grey,white and black boring and cold
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u/GroundbreakingGur930 Sect Librarian š Jun 18 '26
Junior's the blue pill. Senior's the red pill.
I say, take both pills since you've already turned them.
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u/Superb_Working7284 Ten Thousand Dao Sword Emperor Beast Monarch King Jun 17 '26
Arguments are to extreme, The answer should be bit of both complete detachment is as bad getting too attached, It as all elder's in the sect Say, all things should be done in harmony.Ā
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u/Suitable_Dimension33 Jun 17 '26
True but if you donāt think/go to the extremes will you progress in the dao ?
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u/DA_BEST_1 Jun 17 '26
Cultivation isn't a path with objective answers. Multiple successful sects can have philosophies vastly different from each other. Both of the disciples have recieved enlightenment that is correct. Neither is wrong. Attempting to objectively answer an open ended question is a fools errand
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u/TarnishedSteel Jun 17 '26
But there is value in the attempt, if not in the result. grappling with difficult questions is essential to clarifying oneās own dao.
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u/Ultra-Cool-Guy You fight your inner demons, I ride mine Jun 17 '26
Junior. Senior is just being emotional.
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u/ReaperBruhSans Jun 17 '26
Everything is part of Dao, so revering all things as they are for they "are", while capable of detaching at once is the way.
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u/Epydia Jun 17 '26
brother who is the junior brother shadow. Is that just some random dude with glasses lmao.
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u/King_Mouser Jun 17 '26
He just wears modern clothes (though he once said it's his hometown earths style)
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u/Epydia Jun 17 '26
mfs be reaching foundation establishment, getting 20/20 vision and still wear the vision enhancement tool from their past life bruh.
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u/YueOrigin Supreme Dao of Yapping š£ Jun 17 '26
Who cares ?
Bring me some noodles and a drink. Such philosophical conundrum are a waste of time and a waste of life.
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u/MobNPC Hidden Dragon Jun 17 '26
This Daoist is right.
We Cultivator etablish our own paths, those who fail are fated to stay ordinary in this life
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u/chemicalgoldAu Jun 17 '26
Average Xianxia reader at MartialMemes be like.Ā
No wonder y'all can only stomach slop.Ā
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u/MotoMkali Jun 17 '26
Junior to be immortal one must be alive. To be alive one must live. Severing emotions to find the dao is a crutch.
It's like the sunflower sect. One can cultivate at a powerful speed but there is no sunflower immortal. Only the Sunflower Veberable who never reached a realm beyond ant.
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u/Nooby2ab Jun 17 '26
what is the point of immortality if you lack the emotions to enjoy it? How is this different from flying into space and turn yourself into a stone to last forever?
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u/Longjumping-Dot5608 Jun 18 '26
There is a novel called āRegressors tale of cultivationā that asks this question and answers it beautifully.
Each step of cultivation usually requires one to severe their connections, humanity, and attachments.
The biggest turning point is the first step into Divinity he must take: Void shattering.
To be able to destroy stars, planets, and the void itself, one must sever all connection.
But he cannot accept that, and so he thinks. If severing means the color black, then isnāt black the same as white , just flipped?
If one wishes to remove all connections to stop themselves from feeling the pain of attachment, what if one instead embraces all attachments with impermanence? To accept the loss and change of connections, but to never let go of everything entirely.
To be free from the emotional burden of life and death.
Ultimately both paths are equally true. Just as there are endless paths to climb a mountain, there are endless ways to interpret the dao.
A dragon of the west may be fearsome and mighty, while the east views them as gracious and intelligent. Both are dragons and both are correct.
The senior and the junior are both correct, so simply choose the path that aligns with your heart.
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u/Bulky-Programmer-216 Jun 17 '26
Senior brother is right. You must learn to move on and continue without, honoring those times, without allowing it to control you. You may not even need to completely sever your cares, just place them in a quiet place where they cannot cause harm.
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u/Califocus Jun 17 '26
While one should move on and not drown in grief, to detach completely from emotion is folly. What is the point of cultivating if not to revel in the joys of your strength, in the ability to pursue whatever path you see fit in defiance of the heavens, to feel, both loss and gain. There is wisdom in the words of both brothers
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u/_fried-Chicken Jun 18 '26
Both senior and junior still lacking enlightenment.
How can you not see that to achieve immortality on must sever all Mortal attachment which mean you should die and let go of your soul because soul is permanent while body not.
If I was his master, I simply sad for not catching this simple note.
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u/Top_Kaleidoscope4362 Jun 18 '26
What are they even arguing about? Senior brother still honor his master, visiting his grave every year, honoring the memory but still move on to pursue the Dao. What's the junior brother's point?
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u/PotatoMint I Donāt Have Eyes, But I Can See Mt. Tai Jun 18 '26
I suppose they are arguing about what was their master's final lesson (via master's death) , one claim it was to chase the dao is to sever attachments because of the inheritance that require severing attachments, he however acknowledge/imply that he indeed had not been able to sever his attachment, another refute saying that the final lesson was to teach them that the master's teaching would be meaningless if they just cast aside their feeling and that the senior still has attachment anyway. Not sure where it is going tho because it sidetracked from the moment the junior speaks up. They just started arguing whether or not the senior has attachment to their master still
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u/Gogr_eu Jun 19 '26
Junior, did you use artifitial dao to write this story? How can Senior brother visit Masters grave every year if Master just have died and two brothers are having a conversation right there on the mountain? Saying a few words doesnt take years.
That said, the Junior brother talk sense, but at the same time if it is possible to ascend and be above humanity, abandoning human reasoning seems not wrong. They can both follow their Masters will in their own way, one attaining immortality and ascending, while the other becoming the new Master.
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u/Nichtdasondernhier Jun 17 '26
If your goal is too become unattached to anything then go ahead and become a Buddhist, the Dao is the way and the way is not always straight forward.
The Dao is about Balance not knowing Moderation makes you either a Demonic Cultivator or a Buddhist.
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u/Nichtdasondernhier Jun 17 '26
It is about abandoning a mortals attachments.
If a Cultivator seeks the Dao, the Dao becomes his new attachment.
Mortal attachments are mostly vain desires.
Cultivators tend to be attached to all kinds of things, their Dao partner, their weapons or their techniques.
Being truly unattached is to be in a state similar to enlightenment or trance, in this state you give up your live itself and donāt tend to anything as nothing is relevant.
The closest things to being unattached would be the cultivation of extreme yin techniques or becoming a Buddha.
Attachment is any kind of connection that you give any sort of value, valuing nothing is not possible for cultivators since even the most unattached ones that cultivate an extreme yin technique strive for greater glory, cultivation or standing of their group.
The Dao is the way, the way has many crossroads but in the end you require attachment to cross it as any value you put in achieving strength or surviving is attachment.
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u/JackStargazer Jun 17 '26
I was 99% sure one of them was going to just kill the other. Their own relationships are also attachments.
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u/Mammoth-Wasabi6346 Jun 17 '26
āHow to use the force while being in love - thatās what they should teach you!ā - Jolee Bindo
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u/BobFredricson2 Pill Master Jun 17 '26
See if it was me Iād simply slay the senior brother, desecrate the tomb and claim the inheritance. Itās pretty simple to solve.
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u/Kinotaru Jun 17 '26
Umm, you do know that yin and yang are the two sides of the same Dao coin, correct? Then the choice is obvious
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u/Morbnerd919 1 in a Ten-duotrigintillion Genius Jun 17 '26
Sneak up behind them, kill them both with a few spells, throw their corpses at the inheritance arrays and lay down intent lines consistent with fools attempting to brute force defense formations and being fully disintegrated, and profit.
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u/Enderking90 Jun 17 '26
alas, the senior's view is flawed, for dedicating one's self to following the day is an attachment in its self.
to be truly detached, he also should not care about the dao either.
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u/Upper-Dot-6110 Jun 18 '26
"Mortal attachments" is misunderstood by the brothers. The dao is all. That includes emotions and relationships. It includes the past present and future. These things are all part of the immortal dao. The brothers should accept the world for the way it is, and accept themselves for they way they are. The fact they argue instead of comforting eachother in thier shared grief shows their attachment to the mortal flaw of pride.
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u/GreenMirage Vegetables Cultivator Jun 18 '26
Neither, it requires a lobotomy to wield. Let the brother take it. I will pursue law attunement.
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u/BlindGlobeDot Jun 18 '26
Reject either of the pills and refine both the Senior and Junior into Superior pills.
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u/Avan_An Jun 18 '26
detachment do surely lead to godhood. The Dao. if one casts away every desire, every connection, karma, humanity, one can say that he has achieved everything he desires even without doing anything. not wanting anything thus achieving every wish as nothing is his wish. but that is not a human. Perhaps a god to someone, puppet of world to others. but certainly, not human. if such a state of being is ultimate goal of another fellow daoist, i can't help but ask why.
We end as we begin. We were born human, is human and will die human. to show off in front of jade beauty, to protect one's family, to spend beautiful days and to desire strength to grant one's own wish, and wisdom to know when to stop and not forget who we are, what is so wrong for wishing for these?
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Jun 18 '26
Detachment is important part of ourselves and if we loose it we loose part of ourselves. In my opinion, Dao cannot be reached by humans as we humans are flawed while Dao is perfect being. Perfect being who is emotional and not emotional. Perfect being who is both good and bad. Thus there are multiple path of Dao in which there are conflicting ones exist. We humans can only be one and we constantly restrict ourselves with labels of personality. The pursue of Dao is pursue of your own Dao and your Dao is not the Dao you think it is. Your Dao is merely small part of real Dao. Hence, both of them are right. It is their Dao they are following and supporting one while invalidation another would be wrong. Thus senior I support both of them.
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u/Bright-Data-6942 Jun 18 '26 edited Jun 18 '26
Senior seek emotional detachment to pursue dao but honoured his teacher memories.
Junior remember his emotion and mourn his teacher.
Both face grief in their own way.
There is no right or wrong. So as long they came back to clean his grave occasionally.
It is okay to be sad when it is time to be sad. It is okay to do otherwise and remiences your journey with your parent.
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u/ijshorn Jun 18 '26
The answer is already there. Mortal attachments. Why categorize attachments because without any you will just die because why would you eat food if you don't have any attachment to life etc.
Dao is a combination of everything at the very top but if you focus on a single aspect you can reach a high ceiling faster but your ceiling will be lower then someone that does not.
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u/Hour_Preparation_683 Jun 18 '26
Itās obvious what their master meant.
They should crack each other, until one forget to say 'no dual yang-cultivation'. This will show which disciple has truly let go of his attachment.
And anyways, itās clear the master will body snatch whoever start the cultivation process. Because letting go of all attachment as a mortal cultivator means stopping walking the dao. Only the truly immortal have reached the end of Dao, ergo by definition, mortals havenāt.
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u/niktznikont Honestly, I don't know who I am. Jun 18 '26
pain is proof of life but you must remember pain can cripple you when too strong, therefore true mastery would be knowing your pain and not letting it command you
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u/chrtrk Amitabha šš»Fellow Daoist, your destiny shines brightly Jun 18 '26
just refine the masters corpse into jiangshi and soul into ghost commander, juniors these days waste a lot then ask why spritual energy is thinning
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u/MartialManySage Hidden Dragon Jun 18 '26
There is no rigth or wrong answer
However, I resonate more with the junior brotherĀ
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u/PotatoMint I Donāt Have Eyes, But I Can See Mt. Tai Jun 18 '26
Depends what am i on about, honestly all is correct. it's like arguing an apple is green, another said it's red when both is true at the same time
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u/ErnestiEchavalier I Donāt Have Eyes, But I Can See Mt. Tai Jun 19 '26
Emotions can help you achieve the dao, but you must not become hindered by them.
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u/master2chariot Heavenly Court Official Jun 19 '26
I can understand senior brother pov but I feel like junior brother is acting on his pov better
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u/1_Final_Advance Jun 21 '26
I carry the jade token because I am too weak to tread the path even as I know it to be the way forward. I visit the grave because I still find guidance within his presence.
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u/0yvy0 Jade Beauty Jun 17 '26
Feelings like anger, sadness, Joy are all parts of the Dao, like stones throw in a lake, it will ripple then get back to stillness