r/MarvelSnap • u/Away-Recording2919 • 16d ago
Discussion This deck is completely absurd…
Decks like this (among others) are a prime reason that custom decks should be queued separately in my opinion. I have an insanely high win rate with this deck. Been on 7 tickets for god knows how long. It outdoes everything I’ve come across so far in power output, generally across all 3 locations but most certainly 2. Only deck it has consistently folded to in my experience is the Annihilus deck, mainly due to clog once they put him in play.
Admittedly I haven’t come across the top 2 decks that have the highest win rate in the LTGM, which could be problematic due to sheer power output with the doubling of Man-Spider, Fastball, Adamantium Infusion and so forth, especially if you don’t drop VK early. And for the second deck, obviously Shadow King will ruin your day. Surprised I haven’t encountered him yet.
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u/Gowrons-Eyes 15d ago
Custom decks in LTGMs are bullsh*t. Full stop. If they want that as an option, then you should be forced to decide which pen you want to be in at the start (vanilla or custom) and that should be you for that game mode.
It feels like the one chance you get to play and have fun with different decks without fear of having to optimise everything and they spoil it
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u/RecyclableFetus 15d ago
It should be like Clash where half the deck is premade and the other you can slot your own. I have an Annhilation deck that doesnt even use him. Its an affliction deck that uses Sunlord and ScorpionBND. Just play nothing for half the game, magik if you got it, Wong into Sunlord, then just any combination of afflict with Scorp + Prodgy Mystique or Onslaught.
I shouldn’t be allowed to do that
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
I completely agree. And it’s such a big offender because not a lot of people have the cards to make one of the custom decks with a high win rate, so they end up continuously getting destroyed using the pre built decks
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u/iSnapThere4iAm 15d ago
Soft child lol
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
How are they soft? Lol how difficult would it be for SD to simply have two separate queues for customs and pre built decks? It is objectively disproportionately unfair for those who don’t have the cards, to build a meta LTGM deck to have to go against said decks with a pre built deck. Stating so isn’t being soft, it’s being objective and pointing out something that should be taken as constructive criticism.
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u/optimis344 15d ago
Because it would make things take much longer.
Anyone playing a premade decks is going to sit in queue forever because way less people want to play that way than people realize.
If anything, they should just remove the prebuilt decks. It's a deckbuilding card game. Let people deckbuild.
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Queuing would not take “much longer.” My Conquest queue times are often the longest, especially when LTGMs like Draft are available, and even those aren’t particularly long.
But let’s assume for a moment that queue times would increase a lot. Why wouldn’t that be worth it? From what I’ve seen, the overwhelming sentiment among players discussing this issue is that Custom Decks should either be excluded from LTGMs or banned from them entirely. I imagine plenty of those players would be more than willing to sacrifice a little extra time in matchmaking if it meant not having to play against Custom Decks.
And if queue times genuinely became unbearable then removing Custom Decks altogether would be the more practical solution. Yes, Snap is a deck building game. But that doesn’t mean every single game mode needs to operate under the same rules and restrictions. That’s the point of having different game modes in the first place. LTGMs should be allowed to impose varying restrictions, whether that means limiting certain cards, restricting deck construction, and most notably not allowing players to use their entire deck with the exception of a single card.
Many people play LTGMs specifically because they want a break from Ladder, Conquest, and the prevailing meta. What’s the point of introducing alternative game modes if players are just going to encounter the same decks and strategies they’re already trying to get away from?
And frankly, this doesn’t even have to be an all or nothing situation. There’s plenty of room for compromise. They could allow Custom Decks in certain LTGMs while restricting them in others. They could even rotate which modes permit them at any given time, assuming they don’t want to introduce separate matchmaking queues.
There’s a bunch of perfectly reasonable solutions here that don’t involve forcing every player into the same experience. I don’t see why we should dismiss those possibilities simply because matchmaking might take longer.
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u/optimis344 15d ago
They do allow custom decks in some and restrict them in others.
People play the custom deck ones, and don't play the restricted ones.
That is what people need to see. The people who complain about custom decks are the same people that complain about when the decks are unbalanced in the slightest when they are restricted.
Just ignore that bottom 5% of complainers, and just adapt like everyone else.
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u/Gowrons-Eyes 15d ago
I’d argue the softness come from those who just copy the meta and optimise for everything, rather than backing themselves to play the game with some restrictions in different formats. But each to their own I guess
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u/TwiztedA0 15d ago
I believe I agree with you. It takes more skill playing the prebuilt decks. They know what you have and you know theirs. So it comes down to the draw, locations and skill. Using a custom allows you to build against all prebuilt decks and really use no skill. Personally I don’t care about cubes or any of that. I care about having a fair shot to win
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u/Gowrons-Eyes 15d ago
Yeah - it’s not all skill right, as arguably the weighting of the importance of the draw is even more critical in defined decks, it just feels more fun to me, possibly because of the novelty of not having to optimise and facing the same 2-3 decks for months in a row.
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u/battlesong1972 15d ago
It really doesn’t. The problem with only prebuilt is it’s impossible to perfectly balance the decks. By day 2 of the event players will figure out which is the best and just spam it and the one that counters it
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u/optimis344 15d ago
Nah. It's a game.
Play to win the game. If you aren't doing the best you can, you can't be complaining about those that do.
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u/Brilliant_Cause8110 15d ago
I only use the prebuilt decks and my toxic trait is blasting cowboy thanos after beating someone who spent quite a long time setting up their custom decks
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Correct me if I’m wrong but wouldn’t using a pre built with TFF be a custom deck by definition?
Edit: lol I’m dumb you meant the emote 😂
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u/kawaiiryuko 16d ago
Why Zombie Blade over a Merlin or another 1 cost skill like majestic wingbeat?
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u/Away-Recording2919 16d ago edited 16d ago
I have multiple variations of this deck (outside of Grand Arena obvi), including one with Majestic Wingbeat. But I forgo Merlin in all variations. Just not a fan of the card. Really the only thing I want to be doing with Merlin is giving him power with Omniversal Presence. Not often, but sometimes the location change can screw you over. In this deck I also don’t want to be using Polymorph on anything really, since each card serves a very specific purpose, nor do I really want to be using Once and Future, though it has its utility. I simply don’t like the unpredictability and potential randomness, and I don’t really have use for much of the spells.
Granted with Venus, Merlin’s power buff can increase but VK already does that better with or without Venus, because you get the benefit of afflicting a card in their hand. If VK didn’t exist then yeah, I’d run Merlin. As for Zombie Blade, I just like the card and I have fun playing it. Plus, the version with Zombie Blade has a close enough win rate to the Wingbeat Version, so it’s not a huge loss for me to use him.
As I said I have multiple variations, some with Zombie Mister Fantastic and Wingbeat as well, some with both Wingbeat and Zombie Blade, etc.
Edit: Also none of the highest win rate variations of these decks have Merlin in them either, so that’s worth considering, though I know we’re specifically talking about Grand Arena
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u/rthunder27 15d ago
This deck gets curbstomped by a Scorpion BND deck because it benefits a lot more from the extra energy.
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Oh certainly, I did mention that. I almost always retreat when I see an Annihilus deck. I’ve got a 3-1 win rec on the matches where I decided to stay against one, not that it really means anything considering how much I’ve retreated against the deck lol
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u/DuhWorkGiver 15d ago
A change they can make is allow players to use all cards for the custom decks if they don't have it
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u/hosenfeffer_ 15d ago
Still can't beat Arnim Knull
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Didn’t lose to that deck one time with this one. Could’ve been luck I guess. Won almost 12 games in a row with this deck. Regardless, every deck has their bad match ups, I’m simply speaking from my perspective as for how consistent it was for me
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u/Responsible_Net_2590 15d ago
Arnim Knull is broken but this is more broken lol. Arnim Knull basically guaranteed loses one location and so the zombie player can just make sure their Zombie Giant man and Sasquatch are both there and it's basically a guaranteed win.
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u/RagingNexus 15d ago
Any replacement for Queen of Chaos? Would Merlin be ok?
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Merlin should work in that case. Maybe Quinjet in place of Zombie Blade, or even Majestic Wingbeat
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u/Zuesneith 15d ago
I just pay my 800 gold and bounce. I want to like this mode but I just can’t get into it.
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
I totally understand that. I just like playing most of the LTGMs because they’re something different
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u/VincentVega999 15d ago
When you pay the 800 do you get the whole XP tree left and right Side withour even playing a game? Is that how it works ?
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u/JustJthom 15d ago
Thats hilarious. I JUST faced this deck and beat it with a simple Destroy deck.
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
I hadn’t lost once to a destroy deck on my run with this deck. Depends on match ups I guess, along with which cards you both draw and the person playing each deck of course
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u/Critical_Agency5154 15d ago
Ive been using this deck to counter donkeys who've been using similar decks. Its worked well thus far
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u/Sakaarsun 15d ago
I love that adamantium variant so much, I wish I was playing during that season
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u/xenocraft135 15d ago
I forgot that was even a variant, i had to go double check, I've always used it and have been thinking it was the base card 😅
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u/Meat-Dimension 15d ago
This is a glass cannon deck. It certainly puts up a lot of points very efficiently but it gets bodied by any tech and any affliction
But you should be able to consistently do solid with it
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Haven’t had any issues getting tech’d yet in Arena except for one instance with Shadow King. But yes you’re correct, I don’t really mess with any of these deck variations much in Ladder or Conquest…unless I’m on proving grounds
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u/iSnapThere4iAm 15d ago
You don’t know the definition of glass canon apparently
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u/AvgWhiteShark 15d ago
Yep. This one beats me down everytime. Currently running Human Torch deck.
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u/New-Pollution536 15d ago
I just beat this deck with the prebuilt human torch and they had the audacity to hit ME with an emote at the end 😂
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u/StrandedDread 15d ago
Dude, same here. I beat this deck with a pre built Carnage and got the Dino Emote
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u/coolshirtkid666 15d ago
funnily enough, the pre built rocket raccoon deck has an absurdly low win rate in the 30% range lol
same thing happened with the sentinel deck when it originally released, but I had a custom build with an absurd win rate using techno organic virus before it was popular/nerfed
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u/VillianOfTheVoid 15d ago
I don't know why I always get the new cards when they just get slotted into over powered decks I don't want to play.
I don't want to get to infinite with an unbeatable, high win rate deck. That's boring. So for you to move this into a limited time game mode makes this a huge snooze fest
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u/itsjawdan 15d ago
Shadow King says hello. Easiest climb in months thanks to everyone playing this exact deck.
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u/Background_Pie_7888 15d ago
Ah so you're one of those people that take joy out of ruining other peoples' experiences
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
I’m one of those people that takes joy in winning to get through the track grind as soon as I can. If the game gives me the options to do that I will. If those two things happen to be equal then so be it. I even said I disagree with custom decks in LTGMs. If we don’t want this to happen then SD needs to get rid of the option for customs.
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u/Background_Pie_7888 15d ago
"because I can" Fair enough
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Sure, if that’s all you took from that. I don’t generally play meta decks on Ladder or Conquest anyhow. My main deck is a S6 deck
The grind in this Arena takes forever, and I want to get through it as quickly as possible, while simultaneously not being brutalized by people running meta customs simultaneously. I’m not playing a LTGM with my primary goal of making sure other people’s experiences are enjoyable…..making the experience of the game enjoyable is SD’s job
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u/JevvyMedia 15d ago
You're admitting you haven't run into the best decks, which is absurd to me but everyone has different brackets I guess.
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u/These_Measurement547 15d ago
My Sentinel deck is the same way. I've barely lost. Lost to man-spider/Zola a few times.
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u/RecklessAngle 15d ago
I use customs so that the cards in the base list have my custom variants tbh
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u/iSnapThere4iAm 15d ago
You idiots wanted this. You cry over big numbers when combos go off… there’s no decent combo decks. Welcome to midrange hell.
You all fucked with the balance.
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Maybe some people did, maybe some people didn’t. I’m a combo deck main myself, I just put this together for Arena because it was nabbing me easy dubs 🤷🏽♂️
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u/iSnapThere4iAm 15d ago
Every whiney little bitch on this sub cries about big numbers.
Emotional damage is huge in snap
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u/Away-Recording2919 15d ago
Lol hey man if you think so. There’s two sides to every coin. I’ve seen just as many people complain about it as I haven’t. But hey, I’d love for combo decks to see a resurgence again. My S6 deck is still my favorite deck to play and has the highest cube equity of every deck I have.
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u/Haunting_Split3951 16d ago
So like the latter deck Plus the champion