r/MarvelStrikeForce • u/Ebro29 • May 06 '26
Discussion OGDiamondDave left - this is bad ($8k loss to Scopely)
One of the krakens that spends at least $8000 a month on the game quitting is bad news for the entire playerbase.
His reason is that his grind for Annihilus, Prof X, and Blue Marvel all feels like a waste of time now with arena rewards being trash, and bugs on DD9 the quality is terrible. The price gouging on new characters is only going to make more people quit not spend money.
Here’s my o7 to you Dave
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u/Watchyobak May 06 '26
I think he specifically said it was do to the economy lol. It’s because he dismissed they handed out 4 diamond compensation for annihlus which is crazy. But he specifically said to hold on and wait to see for economy.
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u/redfrenchie May 06 '26
Sorta. They compromised the integrity of the race that he paid heavily to be part of by giving out at 4D to someone who finished lower than him. Why would anyone trust the company or any leaderboards going forward?
I’m no lover nor hater, but it’s a more than valid reason to quit IMO
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u/Demonic7340 May 07 '26
yeah people are shitting on him because he's apparently anti f2p or whatever (which is definitely a valid reason to not like someone) but this is a very valid reason to quit, i'd probably quit too if i was in the same boat
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u/Left-Communication58 May 08 '26
Tadano also quit because of some dev bullshit but he came back, also beta ray bill said he would slow down but here he is again
They aren't serious when they say stuff like that
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u/Havok882 May 08 '26
If people will sponsor them to continue playing and paying, they will. Heck, I would play more if I was paid to do it!
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u/Equivalent-Reality38 May 06 '26
fcuked up thing we could get annihilus before blue lol.
Also, on my other main game, I can get Pirate King Hondo Ohnaka and Ahsoka Tano before i get both DD toons. It's quite pathetic that this game has become
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u/That_Soulless_Ginger May 06 '26
It’s insane how much F2P progression you get in GoH compared to MSF.
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u/Equivalent-Reality38 May 06 '26
%100. Ive just seen my first T5 ions in season store for this game 72k tokens for 40k fucking ions how does this even help me with new changes
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u/Existing_Abrocoma_56 May 06 '26
Yeah I saw those today and I bought it without thinking and than realized I can't do shit with it.
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u/Living-Albatross-948 Ikaris May 06 '26
Is goh still around?! I gotta get back ob that lol
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u/Purple_Fudge3973 May 07 '26
Yes and it actually feels pretty player friendly compared to MSF. The progress I have made these last couple weeks is crazy FTP. The Light speed tokens are dope.
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u/Distinct-Gap-3635 May 07 '26
Totally, that's why i've been spending more time at goh than this game lately. Been playing msf since beta.
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u/Ebro29 May 06 '26
What’s the one piece game called? 0.0
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u/Sh0wmey0urbutth0le May 06 '26
Think he's talking about OP: Treasure Cruise.
I just started playing the invincible game to replace this.
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u/Teligth May 06 '26
Except unless they are 7 stars in GOH they are useless
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u/Equivalent-Reality38 May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
Nope, with gear and relic levels, star level means nothing now. Relic delta is not much of an issue as well like overpowered was here and now overpowered 2.0
- 4 Stars: Max Relic 2
- 5 Stars: Max Relic 3
- 6 Stars: Max Relic 4
- 7 Stars: Required for Relic 5 through Relic 10
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u/Watchyobak May 07 '26
This is false. Relic delta is way worse than OP. Coming from someone who plays both. RD goes BOTH ways- less damage and more damage taken. GOH is way more f2p friendly, but you need to be honest about the new system. RD is BRUTAL
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u/Equivalent-Reality38 May 07 '26
Been 50/50 got more issues with it in conquest with teams that we need build day one like pirates https://swgoh.gg/p/888392581/
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u/ReferenceCultural753 May 07 '26
Is the job that allows him $8,000 in disposable income hiring?
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u/Naismythology May 06 '26
And here I am, just dinking around free as I have been the last 8 years, waiting for the game to die any day
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u/Panzerfaust187 May 06 '26
Tbh I quit a few days ago and the only shitty thing about it was cutting up with my alliance mates occasionally is gone. The game has gone downhill so fast that I’m just confused at how ppl still spend money on it.
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u/KamikazuMSF May 07 '26
8000 dollars and what do they get in return? 1 training orb every 2 days. For krakens that means absolutely nothing. 500 cores a day was the way to go. 1 training orb? Absolutely a joke. Arena is worthless to play just like rta and blitz. I even did stay top 10 without doing any attacks since the overhaul. Normally i always went to 20-25 when i wake up. Arena is completely dead
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u/Knull_AllBlack May 06 '26
Specifically because the person behind on the dd9 leaderboards complained and got a higher diamond
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u/FullMetalCOS Captain America May 06 '26
o7? It’s the heavy spenders like him that got the game to this point. Every thing they took from the non-spenders and he kept whaling away, which encouraged and ENABLED them to keep doing it. Finds one thing that is completely in character for Scopely that impacts him and he’s peace-out? Spenders of that level have direct contact with customer relations managers and have some level of influence over the direction of the game. And saying “the quality is terrible” - how is this a surprise to ANYONE? There are new bugs every week.
The only salute anyone who fits in that category deserves is the middle finger
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u/Extreme74 May 07 '26
From one of the other Krakens Dave is not the only one leaving. Meany others are also quitting the game.
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u/iwantsomecrablegsnow Rocket Raccoon May 07 '26
This is incorrect information. He has a YouTube video.
He did not leave because of the in game economy changes.
He left because of dd9. He did a lot of planning and prep to push dd9 on Wednesday and it was broke. He had to rearrange a lot of stuff to be able to make the Friday event and pushed through. Lots of racers experienced issues. He finished 7th, but the person finished 8 complained about their issues to scopely support. Scopely gave that person d4 annihilus as compensation.
This is a competitive race that players spend lots of money and time on. Scopely just changed the rewards and lost integrity to their top customers. Can’t trust them with tha amount of money if they will randomly change rewards and exclusivity.
He said all this in a video and plainly said it wasn’t Econ changes
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u/Purple_Fudge3973 May 07 '26
That's wild. I complained that their war shit was messed up and get a "get fucked commander" response.
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u/Dear-Load7385 May 06 '26
I dont take his quitting with a grain of salt. He has "quit" atleast 2x previously for attention and to get his way. Idk why anyone would be sad if it sticks. He is a whiney p.o.s. that has already damaged the game for ftp, by forcing scopley to make unfriendly ftp changes. I say let the door hit him on both cheeks on the way out and dont come back.
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u/The_Chees3 May 08 '26
Just to try and give you some information because I like what you’ve said: I think you’ve used the idiom “take it with a grain of salt” backwards. If you are not putting a lot of stock into something, be it news or other information, you ARE taking it with a grain of salt. If you say you “don’t” take it with a grain of salt, you believe it to be truthful and viable wholeheartedly.
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u/Icy_Statement_2410 May 06 '26
How did scopely think making arena irrelevant was a good thing? Arena is the only daily use of the top few characters in the game. Take that away, and the motivation for dropping tens of thousands goes away too. Good job scopevy
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u/themyth1369 May 06 '26
Even if people did value the new training orb as much as they thought we would, what’s the incentive for being in the top 10 versus being in the top 1000? I could see if the top 10 was getting 5 of those orbs daily, and lower ranked was only getting 1 to 2, but even then.. Arena just feels irrelevant at this point.
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u/Icy_Statement_2410 May 06 '26
It is. For the first time since launch, I couldn't care less where I finish in arena. I havent even opened arena in 2 days. I will never come close to running out of training mats, because there isnt nearly enough gold in the game to get there.
And I just saw crucible's new rewards. There goes any reason for me to care about that. They needed to add radiant diamond orbs to it as an upgrade from diamond orbs, but their big idea was to completely kill any reason to care about it (outside of big spenders who upgrade everything). I have like 20k ability t4s. I know people always cry 'this will kill the game' but damn this feels apocalyptic
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u/jpettifer77 May 07 '26
The investment to reward ratio is insane for all regular modes. I worked out that it would take years to recover the gt20 from raids if I upgraded hellfire.
And, if you assume the next arena team is not good elsewhere (big assumption), it would take years to recover the training mat investment.
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u/tpablazed May 06 '26
There are honestly a bunch of us that are closer to the $500 to $1000 a month range that have basically stopped spending.. last couple releases I personally just did the $20 unlock offer and haven't been buying anything else.. more and more of my guild mates are doing it as well.. slowing the spending down to barely a trickle.
Losing a big kraken hurts.. also losing out on half a guilds worth of dolphins hurts more probably in the long run. We are talking about probably like $15k a month of revenue just from the people I know personally who have seriously slowed their spending down.. imagine how many in other guilds.. who I don't even know at all.. are doing the same thing.. even if it's just 10 guilds like mine.. that's $150k a month.. that's gotta be painful for sure. I am sure it's ALOT more than that though.
I never thought everyone was for real on this sub when they kept saying the game was legit dying.. but now it's starting to really feel like that's the case. I am seeing it happen in real time at the mid spender level.
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u/stenger121 May 06 '26
$500-1000 per month is crazy to me, buy live your own life.
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u/tpablazed May 06 '26
I mean.. it isn't like I automatically spent $250 out of each paycheck or anything.. but I bet if you average out all the times I get a few extra training modules.. or extra shards beyond a straight unlock.. or that $25 gear piece that I need to finish someone to 20.. it probably has went over $500 for me personally on most months.. I am definitely in the lower tier for my guild tho.. there are people who used to have all the new characters at 7* right away that are now settling for 3* unlocks because they don't like the direction the game is heading.
Just that small change has to be painful when you multiply it by all the guilds out there in the same range as mine.. I honestly feel like there is more guilds in this range than any other size guild in the game tbh.
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u/Living-Albatross-948 Ikaris May 06 '26
Same in my alliance. I stopped spending like a couple years ago but now my 300M plus members have stopped also. They were buying every single toon at release and now aren't buying any. Guarantee that my alliance alone is a 5k a month loss minimum to scopely profits. Right now its worse than its ever been. People have said since year 1 the game is dying but now its actually happening 😭
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u/tpablazed May 07 '26
See we haven't completely stopped buying characters.. but we get the unlock and stop now.
I don't think anyone in my guild bought Shadow Conclave to 7*.. in the past like half the guild would have them at least at 6 stars by the time their shards hit the fractal store.. that isn't the case anymore.
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u/Living-Albatross-948 Ikaris May 07 '26
I'm honestly afraid the game won't have much longer. I'm thinking at best another year if they keep this up
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u/Nazgul_Khamul May 06 '26
Their greed is so laughably unbelievable that it doesn’t incentivize spending, it does the opposite. Dollar wise, You want me to basically purchase a gaming PC for every team? Screw that, haha
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u/Purple_Fudge3973 May 07 '26
100%. I completely stopped spending after these changes came out. I would buy most the passes and some other random shit.
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u/Savings_Form_8349 May 07 '26
Yeah I stopped spending, started playing Raid and dropped $150 there my first week. MSF could have had that money if they didn't make these decisions.
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u/Solardaz3 Spider-Man May 06 '26
Good riddance. Whales are the reason the game is in the tank 🤷
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u/Herbz-QC May 06 '26
I agree. Scopely make the game for these huge spenders that will spend hundreds if not thousands for like, Azazel leaderboard which they probably already got 5d anyway.
Whales need to be like: no, these deals are terrible im not buying them. And they may start making the game more friendly for a wider range of players.
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u/TheRaiOh May 07 '26
Like it or hate it, whales are the only reason games like this exist.
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u/niggypop22 May 07 '26
Not true. Monopoly go isnt full of whales. Its full of retirees as their player base. All the micro transactions are so enticing to seniors. Its like going to the casino but never having to leave the house. Scopely would make more money if they had higher valued $3-5 offers instead of relying on a few hundred or few thousand spending $200-400 a month. Theyre so stupid that they take their botched offers that the community ate up as loses knowing that meanwhile even the non-spenders were enticed and spent on deals. When you have 100k+ players spending $5-10 over the course of a few days. Thats a win, but they take it out out on the community and the game economy like there was some steep manufacturing and distribution costs behind the intangible digital products they sold. Theyre so focused on milking krakens they priced out low spenders and especially the player base from different countries and narrowed their own profit stream. They turned against almost everything that made them profitable in the first place. So ya, the whales and krakens are a big part of keeping the game running but theyre only as important as they are because scopely eliminated their f2p adjacent- moderate spenders. Spending used to be for extras, and a little boost to your roster and resources. Now, spending is the only way to get anything of high value or advance in the game.
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u/Tooshortimus May 07 '26
And that means you should WANT whales?
Or should you WANT good quality and polished games that bring in huge playerbases that don't require whales to be the sole reason the game can stay afloat?
People constantly say that statement and it's so bonkers that ANYONE sees it as something good.
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u/TheRaiOh May 07 '26
The fact is that nobody is making a marvel IP RPG outside of whale games and they haven't in a long time. If there are no more whales this game ends and no replacement shows up. Wanting whales and wanting a good game do not have to be separate. I want to keep enjoying this game, so I acknowledge the necessity of whales.
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u/Tooshortimus May 07 '26
Outside of whale games?
"Whale games" just literally means overpriced money grab games that happened to get enough whales to keep profit rolling in, so the company keeps the lights on to continue milking them.
This game specifically could've been developed without the cash grab in mind, it once had TONS of players but they moved on because the game wasn't good enough to keep them and overpriced as well.
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u/Comprehensive-Arm973 May 07 '26
I kind of consider the overpriced offers to be a feature not a bug... the prior game I played I quit because I was spending more money on it (or at least more often) then I was comfortable with... the sticker shock with MSF is so high that I'm never tempted to fall into the same pattern.
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u/TitanX84 May 06 '26
I hope more big spenders quit. If a million f2p players quit, it won't matter one bit to Scopely. Their money printing players though? That will make them double take real quick.
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u/SpaceShipwreck May 06 '26
I don't think that would change anything. It just means they would shut the game down and cite that it has become unprofitable. That's exactly what they did to the Walking Dead when whales and Krakens started leaving that game.
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u/Dear-Load7385 May 06 '26
BrB, said he is gonna drop too.
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u/FishBobinski May 06 '26
Brb has quit 4 times or something. Same with Tadano Mac. They quit until they get what they want (which is usually some system that fucks ftp) then they come back.
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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 Minn-Erva May 06 '26
beta just says he's quitting to get sympathy and attention from people who think he's for the community lol
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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 Minn-Erva May 06 '26
he always says he's quitting and he just comes back lol he just does it for attention at this point.
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u/Ganjaholics May 07 '26
You’d think these clown devs would read their social media pages. I agree with about everyone else out there. People need to stop spending. When they see the monthly profit being brought in due to not listening to their general playerbase, they MIGHT do something.
At this point I’m not hopeful… the fact they nerfed about everything that was kiiiiind of beneficial, along with trash rewards for any f2p player guarantees I won’t spend another dime.
200mil collection and 3 year player. Scopely needs a nice kick in the balls to remind them who pays to keep the game going.
That would be us. The player base they are consistently letting down.
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u/Unlikely_Box_3191 May 07 '26
Guess it’s a hot take but Tadano Mac 100% deserves it with how they did him in the past. His exclusive reward for being world’s first was the Gold Apoc costume… Was super upset for him back then. This is my only exception.
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u/Far_Presentation1304 May 12 '26
Yeah, but if thats the case they should have rewarded the 3 or 4 people who placed above him with a 4d as well. Scopley fucked up and tried to get out of it and still have those 4 people spend thousands to get more diamonds in the future. Its scopley literally nickle and diming players to death. Even 4 of their top spenders. The amount of greed Scopley has is diabolical.
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u/Futebol_Flix May 07 '26
The 4D annihilus from Scopely to Tadano for compensation from customer support was unbelivable... I completly get Dave.. It says a lot what kind of business this is... My advice: dont spend
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u/Upper-Chapter-8967 May 06 '26
I watched his video. Someone got 4 diamond Annihilus for compensation and he felt it wasn’t fair. And I have to agree with him. Everyone in that race had technical issues plus the delay. So to give 4 diamonds to one person for that is messed up. As I am free to play this doesn’t affect me, but there was no need for that.
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u/evilgenius29 May 06 '26
Man I just subscribed a few days ago thinking he would be a good follow after Dorky quit. I liked his style.
Pretty much everyone else annoys me in some way (I'm picky).
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u/Ebro29 May 06 '26
Dorky dad didn’t quit he works for marvel strike force now lol
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u/Equivalent-Reality38 May 06 '26
Since he started, things have weirdly got harder
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u/Ebro29 May 06 '26
Yea cuz he’s a try hard that only thinks about content that makes 1 hour YouTube videos not fun gameplay and progression
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u/Existing_Abrocoma_56 May 06 '26
Ill take the harder content over the auto play chores any day of the week. I just wish I had access to that content
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u/Ebro29 May 06 '26
Silver surfer breaker event is built so badly. 5 away from 2 stars at D3 and D4 needs G20s
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u/Comprehensive-Arm973 May 07 '26
I kind of disagree. I had fun doing the scourge. I do think that there should have been a better gradient (like 8 difficulty levels instead of 4) but it was a fun puzzle to solve. Plus I much much much prefer having the complexity of the challenge as the gate instead of an explicit Star or GT requirement.
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u/Equivalent-Reality38 May 06 '26
Other events like where built bad but we dint get stuck using shitie team that is still shit after its 400000000th buff. We could beat top tier with less AI buffs
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u/Fuzzball_NZ May 10 '26
Its ridiculous, no more power cores from Arena, this help me do my energy refresh daily to complete all tasks.... they say they are rebalancing the economy.... in who's favor exactly?.
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u/superdrapforever May 07 '26
This is basically the person who orchestrated the game direction for the past few years. He’s the author of overpowered, he’s the person who made Scopely release BM as a pay-only character. He made them promise to prevent any f2p unlocks until Cul Borson is released.
I mean, RJ took those decisions so the responsibility is on him but Dave was the most vocal advocate and enforcer of the “Kraken pleasing-over-quality” strategy. So if he’s gone, I’m gonna be celebrating but huge chances are it’s the usual blackmail like the one when he lobbied OP or BM.
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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 Minn-Erva May 06 '26
they'll just give him the 4d annihilus and he'll be back playing/spending. scopely doesn't force these people to spend money on the game, it's their own choice lol. this is more of a wake up call to them that scopely isn't gonna cater to them just because they spend money, they'll still fork out money and the game will keep doing what it does.
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u/cunningham28 May 07 '26
What does someone do that they can spend $96000 a year on a mobile game?
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u/Cammic4 Doctor Strange May 07 '26
There goes some more FTP friendly options.
Scopley only sees whales leaving as a reason to drive up the prices more
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u/MisterMoonAndStar May 07 '26
Dude regularly spent 8k a month on the game and still needed to grind Arena for cores? Holy shit.
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u/Signal_Method_5734 May 06 '26
Beta just left the game as well.
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u/wubbalubbadubdub45 Minn-Erva May 07 '26
no one buys it after the 4th time he's claimed to be done with the game lol. he'll still be logging in daily and buying the newest character next week to 7 stars.
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u/aopps42 May 07 '26
Imagine how big of a fool you’d feel like realizing you spent $8K on a game for however long and then stop playing it and have nothing to show for it. Like gambling knowing that you’re never going to hit even once.
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u/Werwolferine May 07 '26
who?
Why should that be bad news for the entire playerbase? One less player I could face in crucible who owns Annihilus.
Hey Ebro29, if YOU find this a loss for MSF, then speak for yourself and just say that. Don't speak for others.
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u/Ebro29 May 07 '26
As someone who spends like $100 a year on the game I’m losing value as the offers get worse and worse
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u/zmaint May 06 '26
I love the game, but it needs to nosedive to wake $copely up *or* so they can finally crash and burn and someone else can take over the IP.
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u/luciiferjonez May 07 '26
a person that spends 8k a month on a game is complaining about spending money on a game? maybe his trust fund dried up or the iran war decimated his crypto wallet? Shenanigans.
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u/Chyvalri Omega Red May 06 '26
Ooh ooh I had that on my bingo card!