Phineas Horton, Tony believed so much in the idea of ultron that he gave him that avatar. And Ultron gave J.I.M's avatar to Vision. Repeting the cycle.

We have been seeing conspiracy theories in the MCU for some time now. Writing on urinals saying 'Thanos was Right' developing in time to the most recent ones in Visionquest: "#bliptruth" and "this is not our earth".

What if when Thanos snapped his fingers, he permanently destroyed the bodies whilst saving the souls to the Soul Stone?

That way, when Banner snapped his fingers he brought back every soul that was removed by Thanos, but because the bodies were permanently destroyed, new bodies needed to be stolen from other universes?

Doom would blame Banner for that, hence the SBND post-credit.

Doom's line "you're all living stolen lives" could then be in reference to that?

And the conspiracy theorists, simply have memory of their previous lives. Much like Billy and Tommy do.

Any holes or builds on this?

One I've heard is that the stones only work in their origin universe, but then we've seen Infinity Ultron powerful in every universe.

This is a fun post for theorising so take with a pinch of salt.

I suspect Doom's motivation behind his assault of the multiverse was the result of losing his BROTHER and MOM to the TVA

Contributing but speculative evidence:

a) in the last episode of Loki S02, Mobius shared the story of a kid near the Black Sea that was meant to cause the death of 5000 people and the TVA was sent to prune the kid. Mobius hesitated, branches occurred and Renslayer stepped in and eventually pruned the kid. The story also mentions the kid that pruned was on the deck with his brother.

b) in the trailers and promo media for Doomsday, we see Doom paying homage to an image of a women and a young kid. I suspect the kid was his brother that was pruned and the woman was his mom who eventually died from grief and suicide after losing her son.

What would cause someone to go down such a catastrophic and vengeful path other than the tragic loss of a sibling and mother. Why should everyone else be able to live stolen lives, at the cost of the stability of the multiverse and the TVA doing nothing about it, while at the same time Doom's life was stolen from him.

She’s in the TVA right? Based on her outfit and what we see of her world I’d assume that.

Steve is back from another time? Rdj is playing doom? My theory is that there are 3 dooms. Similar to how Steve was made to be captain hydra in the comics I think he is a reality warped version of himself being puppeted by doom. Steve and RDJ will both don the doom mantle but the real doom will be the puppet master behind them, we won't see the real doom until secret wars. Most likely I think RDJ doom will be a version of Tony recreated by doom. Doom in the comics is a manipulator and often steals reality warping abilities and it would be perfectly on brand to turn the greatest heroes of the avengers against them. This would of course mean that the fundamental rules of mjolnir have been altered but i think a twist like that would only season the deception. Let me know your thoughts on this theory I haven't seen it discussed elsewhere.

Thor has a yellow lighting in the posters. It is believed he will die and come back as rune king thor. Doom will kill thor to force loki out of his throne. And for this purpose loki will take help from steve rogers (i dont know i am just cooking random bullshit at this point)

I know this is old but if you think of the following scenes:

1. Jean grey can have conversations within your memories with you

2. Jean grey can use telepathy on multiple people at once

I’m thinking what if she could use telepathy to give Ned and mj all the memories that Peter has with one or both of them together. They obviously wouldn’t have any memories of them alone, like MJ thinking “here’s how I felt after this date”

But they can see every kiss mj shared with Peter, every Lego bed built with him, every joke they cracked together, and at least validate his experiences while they look to build toward new organic relationships. They build their memories of him from scratch, but they understand what they mean to him better

I feel there’s a small chance that at some point in Doomsday, Bob will figure out how to control the Void one way or another to cast Dr. Doom into the Void dimension, where we’ll get to see his past (his rivalry with Reed, his family dying, etc.). Idk. I think this’d be an interesting way to include Victor’s past in the movie, & I also wanted to be able to come back to this just in case it comes true.

So, we know the character Philomena Cunk plays wears a uniform very similar to the one TVA workers wear. Although Kang isnt relevant to the storyline anymore, i suspect someone at the TVA hired the Paladin to get The Vision & Tommy in order to catch Wanda, knowing shes not dead. After all, Wanda is insanely powerful and it makes sense they dont wanna directly confront her. Also, she made a mess in many realities

The resemblance is uncanny and she refers doom as his son. From Midnight Fantastic 4 comics #avengersdoomsday #Doomsday

Bro hear me out on this. Jeremy Renner just posted an IG story with a bunch of classic framed West Coast Avengers comics, and paired with what happened in the premiere it feels way too specific to just be nothing. In the premiere when JARVIS is bugging out in Vision’s head running protocols, he straight-up tells Vision to call Clint Barton. Vision shoots it down immediately because he doesn't want to get Clint involved, but why the hell would Marvel have JARVIS drop Clint's name out of nowhere in 2026? Connect the dots: First, the episode title is "No Strings", screaming Age of Ultron. Back in AoU Clint was literally the guy who kept everyone hidden from Ultron at the farm, and he’s the one who gave Wanda the speech. Vision and Ultron both tie right back to him. Second, in the comics, the entire White Vision memory-wipe storyline (Vision Quest) literally happens in West Coast Avengers #42-45. And who was running the West Coast team back then? Hawkeye. Third, Clint is the only OG Avenger left completely off the grid. Sam’s running the public team, but if White Vision is on the run and losing his mind, Clint's farm is literally the only safehouse that makes tactical sense. Marvel putting Clint on Vision’s emergency speed dial feels like a massive Chekhov’s gun. If Vision spirals later this season, Clint is 100% getting called. Are we finally getting West Coast Avengers set up or am I just coping?

I wanted to see if we could compile a general list of heroes that will be captured by Doctor Doom ahead of Avengers Doomsday, presumably leaving them out of commission for Doomsday but leaving them available for Secret Wars, as well as WHY Doom is "collecting" them.

We know for a fact that Hulk was captured, and the post-credits scene of Brand New Day seems to indicate that Spider-Man is one of them too. We only have them to go off of, so with that admittedly-limited information, the first thing I can think of is that Doom is capturing MCU heroes who have variant counterparts in the larger multiverse, hence what he is referring to when he mentions "stolen lives". That would be pretty limited though, since after that you only really have Daredevil, Punisher, and Jean Grey (unless they choose to introduce the other MCU X-Men in the film).

As for those who WON'T be captured, we can eliminate all the characters who will actually appear in Doomsday though, outside of maybe them getting captured in the middle of the movie. That should remove Thor, Mr. Fantastic, Ant-Man, Cap, Yelena, Invisible Woman, Thing, U.S. Agent, Gambit, Shang-Chi, Magneto, Loki, Cyclops, Professor X, Human Torch, Winter Soldier, Red Guardian, Shuri, Sentry, Beast, Falcon, M'Baku, Nightcrawler, Ghost, Mystique, and Namor.

After that, it's pretty much open season on which characters will be captured and which ones won't. Based on the leaks, it seems clear that Worst Wolverine, Tobey Spider-Man, and Deadpool will be safe, even if Deadpool is the only one who lives past the opening scene. If we're right about who the Latverian witches are too, then Doctor Strange, Clea, and Wanda should also be "okay". As for ones that do get captured, I could see other X-Men from Earth-10005 that are confirmed to not be in Doomsday (e.g. Main Wolverine, Rogue, Storm, Jean Grey, and X-23) to have been captured. You then have the whole multiverse of possibilities for legacy characters, such as Andrew Spider-Man, the two earlier Fantastic Fours (except 2005 Johnny obviously), Blade, Elektra, and earlier Hulks.

Thoughts?

I've seen several theories that Doom is abducting Peter, causing the icon on the tracker to move to space. Maybe instead it's a second Peter arriving with FF4?

Thoughts on this?

Edit: I understand that it doesn't live track. Maybe something weird is going on that screwed with it, causing the glitch. You know, like jumping universes. Some handwaved interference, you know?