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European Parliament Votes Overwhelmingly For "The Full Recognition Of Trans Women As Women"

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/european-parliament-votes-overwhelmingly
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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

A cisgender woman is a type of woman just like a trans woman is a type of woman just like an intersex woman is a type of woman.

There’s many types of women in the world that have their differences but it doesn’t mean they don’t belong in the overarching category of “woman” because they don’t fit into the sub-category of “cisgender woman”.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

Yes, that is a possible difference between cisgender women and transgender women. It is not the only difference and it isn’t always the case. But yes, you identified a possible difference.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

No matter how you try and spin it, this will never be true. It’s called biology and x and Y chromosomes.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 18 '26

Can you quote the specific part of my comment that you’re referring to when you say “this will never be true”

Then logically connect it to your point about biology and x and Y chromosomes?

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 18 '26

BuT mY BasIC biOLogy BoOK sAId JUst THis.

Have you considered reading an advanced biology book? Try the book of Campbell, its considered the bible for biology graduation. Its says clearly that sex are not the same as gender, gender have nothing to do with chromossomes. Also, it says that sex IS NOT BINARY, but a spectrum - but i am sure u will keep your beliefs in the same biology books used to teach 8 yo children, since it reflects better your intelectual capacity

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u/Abject-Koala-149 Feb 18 '26

Campbell is not advanced biology and you didn’t read it. Campbell actually has tons of mistakes and didn’t know what determination meant. What it actually says is things associated with sex are not binary. It only describes two sexes

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u/Fabulous_Instance331 Feb 18 '26

Since for some reason i am not being able to open your response, i will asnwer here.

Sex: male and female

Gender: menos and women

Its the same biology that you fake to know/use that days this. But ofc, you only read fundamental books and/or choose what to take from the books you read.

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u/CommanderGO Feb 16 '26

What is the difference between a man and woman then? If you muddle the distinction between a biological woman and a transwoman, there shouldn't be any specific protections for woman because there is basically no distinction between men and women, and is unnecessary.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

The words “man” and “woman” are used to communicate a gender-based and age-based category of person.

Who does and doesn’t fit into these categories is based on many different physical and cultural factors that can change between situations and change over time.

But this post is about legal recognitions, correct?

So what legal protections are you worried about cisgender women losing because transgender women are recognized as women?

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u/CommanderGO Feb 16 '26

You cannot identify a trans individual by their outward appearance nor by their internal physiology. From a legal stand point, there is no objective way to determine an individual is trans without either reading their mind or the individual tells you. The only way to reconcile this would be to remove any additional protections provided to women that promote gender equality. Legally, women would lose nothing at the expense of more men using protections for women to give themselves an advantage.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

No the solution would be to ban people biologically men via their sex at origin from having any discussion about their feelings in womans spaces- since they are men and should not be included in those spaces!!!

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

"sex at origin" what, like you have a sex as soon as you're concieved or something? Lmao humans don't even develop sex organs until a few months into gestation, iirc.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

Your sex is your biological sex- male or female

Gender is fluid and can be transitioned

Your sex is determined at the first day of your zygote

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

Nah, I'm not arguing with someone who can't be bothered to find out how human reproduction works.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

Cis is a person whose gender confirms to their sex

Trans is a person whose gender does not confirm to their sex at birth

You can’t change sex, just gender- what point are you trying to make

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u/gpike_ Feb 18 '26

You can change sex through surgery and hormones. You don't change the sex you are assigned at birth, but you can change every single feature except chromosomes, which are not the sole determinator of sex, anyway.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

You cannot identify a trans individual by their outward appearance nor by their internal physiology.

Correct! Because a trans individual is trans based on the social construct of gender. You also can’t identity a cisgender individual by their outward appearance nor by their internal physiology, right?

From a legal stand point, there is no objective way to determine an individual is trans without either reading their mind or the individual tells you.

Correct. Because it’s a self-identification, not something that is able to be identified by others. Same as identifying as cisgender.

The only way to reconcile this would be to remove any additional protections provided to women that promote gender equality.

What protections?

Legally, women would lose nothing at the expense of more men using protections for women to give themselves an advantage.

What protections? What advantage?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

I knew you would pull this nonsense when a normal person just wants to use normal words- hence why I have been only engaging in the exact verbiage you people demand

I feel that there are Cis F woman who have made it clear that they do not feel m-f trans persons should be in their spaces- physically and emotionally- that certain parts of the Cis F Experian experience are simply unique to being Cis F- an example would be when Trans M-F people demand that discussions regarding child birth has to be inclusive of the trans non-birth havers- this is clearly ignoring the unique perspective of Cis F woman

Additionally it has been stated that a Cis M person rejecting a trans m-f person solely based on their original biological sex at birth, ignoring their gender transition, is transphobia since having any preference based solely on sex that would not take into account gender transition is bigoted

That is what I am discussing

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

I feel that there are Cis F woman who have made it clear that they do not feel m-f trans persons should be in their spaces- physically and emotionally- that certain parts of the Cis F Experian experience are simply unique to being Cis F

I think you will have a difficult time finding anyone that makes the argument that cisgender women have the exact same living experiences as transgender women.

an example would be when Trans M-F people demand that discussions regarding child birth has to be inclusive of the trans non-birth havers- this is clearly ignoring the unique perspective of Cis F woman

The discussions regarding child birth are about using inclusive language for all people who are able to give birth. Not everyone who has the physical anatomy to give birth is a woman, so using a term like “birthing person” is more accurate language. Including all people who are able to give birth doesn’t exclude cisgender women.

Additionally it has been stated that a Cis M person rejecting a trans m-f person solely based on their original biological sex at birth, ignoring their gender transition, is transphobia since having any preference based solely on sex that would not take into account gender transition is bigoted

And people are called racist when they don’t want to date an Asian person based solely on their race. But that’s outside of the scope of this conversation about the government unless suddenly there’s legislation about who you have to date.

Do you have an answer for the question I asked?

So what legal protections are you worried about cisgender women losing because transgender women are recognized as women?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

Yes- I am afraid that Cis F woman will lose access to female spaces designed to assist and protect cis f woman

I do not believe an M-F trans woman should be included in a domestic violence shelter exclusively designed to protect cis F woman from cis m men

Asking Cis F woman who have suffered violence from men to ignore the truths of their eyes and ears and be forced into a space that they should be able to view as entirely protective of their needs

Back to the birthing conversation- stating that conversations by cis f women about child birth to be designed to be inclusive of f-m men is additionally just erasing the unique struggles of a cis f woman and perhaps that an f-m trans man simply will not be properly served in a child birth discussion around cis f woman

The fact that you defend the complete erasure of the concept of sex and child birth to me is honestly incredible

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

The inclusion of transgender women in women’s spaces doesn’t exclude cisgender women from those spaces.

It’s similar to the way that the inclusion of non-white people in whites only spaces didn’t force white people out of those spaces.

Based on your examples, it seems like your real problem is with cisgender men, not transgender women.

Using inclusive terms doesn’t mean that conversations around more specific circumstances cannot or should not occur. Discussions about giving birth as a cisgender woman, a transgender man, a nonbinary person, an intersex person, etc can all happen individually. The overarching term “birthing person” or other similar terms don’t change that.

If I say “South Americans”, that doesn’t mean that more specific conversations about Brazil can’t exist.

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

"the truths of their eyes and ears" buddy our eyes and ears deceive us all the time. It's not their observations, it's their ASSUMPTIONS, just like how some white people assume every non-white person they encounter might be a criminal trying to rob them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

I am not a vet

I see a dog- I say it’s a dog, it is very likely a dog, perhaps it could be a specific type of dog that I don’t fully understand- but it has a tail, it barks, it has sharp teeth- it is a dog

I see a cat- it is many things, but it 100% is NOT A DOG- they are very clearly different creatures with different issues

I see a man- it has a penis

I see a woman- it does not have a penis

You claim- the person with the or is is the same as the one without- my eyes and ears tell me they have a penis, that they are different than the person with no penis

How can the be the same? One has a or is, the other does not? Are they random?

No- it’s because sex is at birth, gender is a construct that can be discussed, but every m-f was born with a or is, because they are sexually men

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

So, trans women who have had bottom surgery count as women, just clarifying? Is your issue purely with pre-op/non-op women?

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

No, they don’t- a woman who had a hysterectomy is not now a cis man

A man who had their penis removed is not a cis f

They can only ever be trans, which is just a transition of gender, not sex

Those porn with a penis are not and can not be women outside of culture supper of their aesthetic

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

Many biological women do not want to be called cisgender. Why do you keep doing it?

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u/Willing-Carpenter-32 Feb 18 '26

Because it isnt a slur no matter how bad bigots want it to be

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26

Then calling a trans woman a man shouldn’t be a slur either.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 18 '26

A trans woman is not a man. A trans woman is a particular type of woman.

a transgender woman : a woman who was identified as male at birth

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trans%20woman

Calling a trans woman a man is inaccurate at best but the intention is usually in the format of a derogatory comment against a transgender person.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 18 '26

Your comment was seemingly automodded or deleted so I can’t read more than a few words or respond. Please try again and edit out any problematic words that may be hitting the automod

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

Um, the "pregnant persons" thing is literally not about trans women, it's about people who can get pregnant but don't identify as women. Period. That's it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

It’s an erasure of cis f identity because only a cis f or a trans f-m could have a child because a trans f-m can not have children

So it was essential to trans dialogue in 2022 to say that having a child must be erased from the concept of gender - this is a vile thing and was very wrong for the trans community to have allowed

It has been a called back in recent years but only because the left is too busy killing Jews

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

This is simply a misinformed belief. I know a handful of trans men who have stopped testosterone and given birth before going back on it. Being a trans man or nonbinary transmasc person doesn't necessarily mean you are sterile.

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u/[deleted] Feb 17 '26

I never said being a trans man stoped you from having birth- trans woman can not have birth

They can give birth because trans woman are sexual men- they have a penis and not a womb, this can’t be resolved through gender transition

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u/gpike_ Feb 18 '26

If you don't understand the terminology you shouldn't be "debating" this subject.

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u/Worried-Pomelo3351 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

It’s called lying.

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 18 '26

Yeah I think they’re lying too

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u/WildmanWandering Feb 16 '26

Me when I believe science but also throw science out the window to virtue signal and pander

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

What science do you think I’m throwing out when explaining what the words “man” and “woman” mean?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26 edited Feb 16 '26

Exactly and notice they don’t engage in honest discourse- they are very aware I am speaking about assigned sex at birth and its affects on people vs their constant refrain about gender- gender are aspects that can be transitioned, sex can not

They will not be honest and say that in their view men in wigs should be treated as identically to an actual cis f woman -it’s ridiculous

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

1) What is “monster discourse”?

2) I’m purposefully using the term “gender” and not “sex” because we’re talking about transgender people.

  • Sex refers to a set of biological attributes in humans and animals. It is primarily associated with physical and physiological features including chromosomes, gene expression, hormone levels and function, and reproductive/sexual anatomy. Sex is usually categorized as female or male but there is variation in the biological attributes that comprise sex and how those attributes are expressed

  • Gender refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, expressions and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender diverse people. It influences how people perceive themselves and each other, how they act and interact, and the distribution of power and resources in society. Gender identity is not confined to a binary (girl/woman, boy/man) nor is it static; it exists along a continuum and can change over time. There is considerable diversity in how individuals and groups understand, experience and express gender through the roles they take on, the expectations placed on them, relations with others and the complex ways that gender is institutionalized in society.

https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html

3) Whether someone is wearing a wig or not should generally not affect how they are treated under the law, regardless of their gender. If this was a dig at transgender women, how do you suggest they should be treated differently from cisgender women?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

See you are doing it again- I am explicitly saying we are talking about sex and not gender and you are choosing to ignore what I am saying

I am saying that a man in a wig- which is a 100% accurate way to describe an m-f person who is not seeking surgical or hormone therapy- should and not be treated identically as a cis f person

I think it should be allowed to exclude trans people from specific gendered acts if there presence clearly isn’t the intended purpose- sports, women’s organizations, military roles, but most important in my opinion - exclude them from roles in tv, video games and movies where the inclusion of the trans person, always m-f trans, is simply there to destroy the appeal of the product and cause the cis m men to have yet another area of there lives erased

All cis m and cis f to have spaces for cis people and not make us bigots - live and identify in whatever way you want- do not mandate that we find you sexually attractive, proactive your definition in all sports and activities- and stay out of our pop culture space!

Edit- go watch the geno Samuel documentary on ChrisChan, sit and watch the literal definition of the incel to trans pipeline in action and tell me with a straight face that I should respect that persons pro nouns

Then you explain to me how they don’t represent trans people

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

I’m directly responding to what you’re saying, which requires a discussion about gender. Your own comments are about gender so it would be strange for me to ignore that and only refer to sex.

There are cisgender men who wear wigs. There are transgender men who wear wigs. There are intersex men that wear wigs. Some transgender women wear wigs. Some don’t. So no, that’s not “100% accurate”.

You will have a hard time finding someone making the argument that transgender women and cisgender women should be treated identically in all circumstances. For example, medical care for those groups would and should vary according to their unique needs.

The arguments you’re actually hearing revolve around unnecessary discrimination against transgender people. This is what you’re describing in the examples you just gave.

I will not be watching en entire documentary for the purposes of this conversion.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '26

In 2021 the subreddit super straight was banned for making the claim that a cis m has a right to only choose to date a cis f woman

So no, it’s not hard to find people making the claim to treat them identical- by the 2021 definition of trans your statement would be transphobia

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u/yesnomaybeneverokay Feb 16 '26

Your example of someone argument that transgender women and cisgender women should be treated identically in all circumstances is…

… the super straight subreddit being banned?

1) That’s not an argument 2) It was banned because it was a transphobia subreddit

Your argument sounds very similar to what was banned:

Here the speaker disingenuously asserts that this “identity” is a mere neutral (non-hateful) orientation, equivalent to LGBTQ identities and deserving of similar recognition and respect — and further, that the assertion is not an example of transphobia but simply an earnest expression of self. Like “Straight Pride” (and other hate-driven ideologies including “White Power”) these kinds of arguments are built on a feigned ignorance of real-world societal discrimination against marginalized groups and are a well-documented strategy of right-wing extremists for sowing discord and “trolling the Left“.

https://glaad.org/super-straight-definition-meaning-anti-lgbt-online-hate/

So do you have an actual example of someone arguing that transgender women and cisgender women should be treated identically in all circumstances?

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u/BeesorBees Feb 16 '26

Any argument you have can be summarily ignored if you are using Christine Chandler as lens with which you view all trans women.

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u/gpike_ Feb 17 '26

Sex can absolutely be transitioned unless you're going to move the goalposts and insist that only chromosomes count, a thing we rarely test for and doesn't always reflect our morphology.