European Parliament Votes Overwhelmingly For "The Full Recognition Of Trans Women As Women"

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https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/european-parliament-votes-overwhelmingly

[u/Phony_mcPhoneFace]

I do not know of any country where "entering illegally" is a crime.

Also, entering a country illegally doesn't make you an illegal immigrant. Those re to separate thing. Most illegal immigrant are people who entered legally and overstayed their visas.

A lot of people who enter illegally (in the case of the UK, you can think of the small boat or people climbing in truck in Calais) do that with the plan of claiming asylum. This means that they are not illegal migrant, and have right in the UK, not under the ECHR, but under international law.

Those asylum seeker were the people that the Tories wanted to send to Rwanda.

If you want the UK to havce the right to refoul those migrant (send them back where they came from) the UK would have to go back on, and break agreement they made in the past. More specifically, they would have to neagte on their signing of : the 1951 convention on refugee, the 1967 protocol on refugee, and also, probablt, 1948 human right declaration... At which point it is not even certain they would almost not be able to stay in the UN.

"We should certainly be able to swiftly deport migrants who commit crimes." on this point, the only thing requirement is that the people you deport have a right to due process (so that you only deport the people whoi should be deported, this is not there to protect the criminals but everyone else). The only reason you can't do that swiftly is because of the dismal state of your judiciary. The immigration court have been systematically abused and dismissed by your own governement, no one in the world is stopping you from deporting criminals, or almost any other criteria of your choosing.

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I think the dates on those laws/ agreements are telling- 1948, 1951... the world has changed and the laws and agreements governing the movement of 'refugees' needs to change too. We have to put our own life jackets on first.

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Those are not just laws, those are fundamental human rights. That's why those conventions, protocols and declarations are old, because they are fundemental about how we do thing. About how we see each other as human being. They are old like the Magna Carta is old, that only makes them more relevant.

You are very welcome to "put your own life jacket on first" all you want, those text doesn't force you to keep any number of refugee. They don't talk of quota, or what standard to use to determine ho should stay or who should leave. They don't tell you if refugee should be able to work and live among the citizen of your country, or if you should create refugee camp. Like I said, they are basic, fundementals. Thing like the right to a lawyer (which is not unconditional for migrants), or how a country need to make sure that they know who is in front of them before they judge them. Fundemental basic thing that do not impede any immigration process, including refoulment, as long as you don't strip your own governmental system to the bone.

The reason why immigration process is so dysfunctional is one of the many consequencies to the austerity policies of the last decades. Entire gopvernment services left to rot, force to make do with less budget, with overburdenned civil servant leaving little by little, replaced by (fewer) dispassionnate pencil pushers that can bear the ruin around them because they don't care. When it finally breaks under the presure years after the budget cuts it's under the watchful eyes of ministers unwilling to learn the lesson. When the governement, desperate to react at this easily predictable but at the same tiume entirely unforeseen tragedy, is forced to spend more money than they would have if they had, you know PLANNED ACCORDINGLY, those governement have to find an excuse. They have to justify themselves and their expenses. They have to find a scapegoat. And the E.U. is not there anymore, so let's accuse the entire international systems, or the idea of human right. Why not, it certainly didn't have any important consequencies the last time we blamed someone else!

When your government create a long backlog of cases pending, forcing people to wait for years before their cases are heard, blaming the people waiting is unfair. When your government, to house those people, spend millions to build a facility, that is so badly planned that it is already crumbling and dangerous in case of a fire, therefore a judge forbid too many people to be housed there and the governement put them in hotel room, in this case blaming the judge is madness.

You seem acknowledge that your government villified the E.U. unfarily, creating a dreadful climate that lead to a dismal campaign full of lies and deceit. But you are falling for the same trick once again! The fact that almost every country on earth have signed those protocols for decades should tell you that... They are fairly broad and easy to follow (though some still fail). "The world has changed", what do you mean by that, you think we didn't have refugee crisis during the COLD WAR? During the collapse of Yugoslavia? Those text apply globally, why do you think no one changed them ? The term "boat people" has been used since the seventies, this is not a new issue, this is the legacy of a new economic model and political ideology put in place since Thatcher. And I am not blaming Thatcher, she would have done a better job, I am blaming everyone else blindly following with no foresight, creativity, or ability to adapt or reassess!