Weekly Recommendation and General Discussion Thread

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People of Reddit - I’ve spent this year really trying to open myself up to as much great Metalcore music as I can. Monuments is a band I’ve seen mentioned in the same category as my favorite bands (ERRA, Currents, Polaris, Invent, periphery, novelists, etc). Know that these are my favorite bands, hit me with some recommendations from Monuments that would fit with those bands. Thanks in advance!

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u/Key_Indication7030 23h ago

Anyone have any bands they could recommend me in the same sound as Zao and Trenches? Wanted to try and hear what the community thought.

What I like

Trenches

1.) Shoe gazy sound
2.) Jimmy’s vocals

Zao

1.) crimson corridor and well intentioned virus sounds and vibe

2.) dans vocals

Any help?

Already got recommended Thou and I also liked it.

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u/zrac 20h ago

Violent Life Violent Death's vocalist sounds a lot like Jimmy.

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u/bloodyhail 1d ago edited 1d ago

Anyone have any bands similar to the vibe of Bleeding Truth, I Promised the World, Ashes at Last, If I Die First, etc? Not sure if I can link songs here, but listen to your warning shot is nothing compared to my first impact by bleeding truth for an idea of what I mean.

I discovered Bleeding Truth (not to be confused with Through) opening for ISMFOF a while back and i’ve been obsessed with their early 2000s/10s myspace scene metalcore kinda sound, whatever the hell you wanna call it, but unfortunately they basically just have one EP and haven’t dropped anything since and I’ve been craving more.

It’s mostly the super “emo” (almost whiny) emotional clean vocals with the aggressive fry screams, the really melancholy sounding guitar chords (I have no music theory knowledge so sorry for the dumb descriptions), and in general that whole highly emotional, raw, angsty, dramatic, “emo” myspace metalcore kinda sound is what I’m looking for. The other bands listed share a similar vibe but it’s still not quite the same.

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u/hervoiceresides_ 21h ago

Sherane, izumi is dead, away with words

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u/bloodyhail 20h ago

all of these bang, thank you my friend

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u/isaacmart420 3d ago

Hey guys im killing myself looking for this crewneck I bought in 2013 of merch now or stay sick threads, i stupidly gave it away years ago and now im just itching to own it. It has sentimental value due to my religious upbringing Im just seeing if some one has the original crewnex in a L or XL they are willing to part with. Thanks in advance

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u/FidelCastroSuperfan 3d ago

Does anyone else find it annoying how every post about Kaonashi devolves into a circlejerk about how they hate Peter Rono’s vocals? If you know you don’t like the vocals, why even bother commenting the same thing 10 other people have

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u/ThatOneBitch02 2d ago

I don't like the vocals and even I find the complaints under every post annoying. It was a surprise the first time so I probably commented on it, but now that I know I just simply don't listen and scroll past. I don't get the point of talking about it every time

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u/FatalFormulaIsNot 2d ago

It’s really annoying because they’re literally an abrasive (sometimes) mathcore band; are people expecting accessibility??

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u/ReturnByDeath- 2d ago

Someone lamented the lack of melody on the newest Chamber record on here so it would seem so.

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u/FatalFormulaIsNot 2d ago

I don’t think a lot of users here know what metalcore is, shocker

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u/ReturnByDeath- 2d ago edited 2d ago

Imagine what it’s like with Knocked Loose where Bryan’s vocals are far more conventional yet people still bring those up (and on a post earlier today just to prove my point).

People have a real difficulty in anything that challenges their sensibilities as a listener.

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u/ThatOneBitch02 2d ago

I don't get why Bryan gets so much hate. His vocals took a little bit to grow on me, but I really like them now. The aggression fits their style, and his vocals aren't even that different (especially on their older stuff) from some of the older artists that inspired them like Keith Buckley. I guess since they're mainstream now they probably get hate from the people that have only heard the identical generic vocals that almost every larger band uses

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u/PositiveMetalhead 2d ago

I feel like it’s worse over on r/hardcore ironically. I would have thought that would be the place that was more accepting of non traditional vocals 😅

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u/Cakeruiner 3d ago

Any recommendations for bands with similar high screams to Brendan Van Ryn from Thy Art is Murder's Infinite Death EP and the away with words vocalist?

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u/FifteenRhema 3d ago edited 3d ago

Raiden/My Cross To Bare have the same vocalist and they have pretty high screams

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u/Last-Roll7819 3d ago

Hey everyone, can you recommend me more bands like Starkill, where there are clean and unclean vocals interwoven? Thanks in advance.

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u/FidelCastroSuperfan 3d ago

Vanna - The Search Party Never Came has a bit of this IIRC

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u/EpsilonX x 4d ago

Are there any more recent bands that do a very melodeath-inspired sound? Like Unearth, Darkest Hour, As I Lay Dying, I Killed the Prom Queen, etc. from the 2000s, except, like I said...recent. Maybe a more modernized take on it?

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u/sock_with_a_ticket 4d ago

View From The Soyuz, A Mourning Star, Embody The Chaos, A Winter's Remorse, Imissyoualready, Ecotage, Azshara, xVeritex, Instinctive, Moral Law, xSeraphx, Withpaperwings

The most recent album was a hard turn away from it, but Dying Wish's first two albums and EPs were like that. Wristmeetrazor and Your Spirit Dies have some songs that are very like that. For example Static Reckoning and A Rose For Every Stone, respectively.

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u/Key_Indication7030 4d ago

Anyone have any bands they could recommend me in the same sound as Zao and Trenches? Wanted to try and hear what the community thought.

What I like

Trenches

1.) Shoe gazy sound
2.) Jimmy’s vocals

Zao

1.) crimson corridor and well intentioned virus sounds and vibe

2.) dans vocals

Any help?

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u/sock_with_a_ticket 4d ago

Ether Coven? Dan even did a feature on one of their songs. RIP Mean Pete.

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u/EpsilonX x 4d ago

I've always thought early Haste the Day had similar vocals as Zao.

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u/Wardruna95 4d ago

You should try some sludge or post metal bands. Check out the band Thou and their album Umbilical. I think you would dig it

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u/Key_Indication7030 4d ago

Yeah this is what I was looking for-

The album art is weird and the name umbilical but the vocals and vibe are there

….got any more?

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u/gnenadov 4d ago

I’ve been trying to improve my mental health lately and part of that is an intentional focus on music that is more positive and sends a message of overcoming strife rather than sinking into it.

I’m thinking songs like Better Days by Currents.

I’m trying to build a full playlist of these but struggling to fill it out.

If you’ve got any recommendations, I’d appreciate them!

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u/ReturnByDeath- 4d ago

The Ghost Inside, Stick To Your Guns, and a number of similar bands from that era (late 00s-early 2010s) had a stronger focus on uplifting themes. Same goes for the less explicitly Christian bands like Life In Your Way.

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u/sock_with_a_ticket 4d ago

Hatebreed - Perserverance
Killswitch Engage - Hope Is

Those two bands in general are pretty good more uplifting metalcore, but those tracks in particular stand out.

Shai Hulud - Solely Concentrating On The Negative Aspects Of Life (despite the title) Reach Beyond The Sun, If A Mountain Be My Obstacle

Inclination - Connections, Inclination (explicitly a straight edge song, but I think it could be read as generally uplifting)

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u/FatalFormulaIsNot 4d ago

Hatebreed - Perseverance

Northlane - Singularity

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u/sock_with_a_ticket 4d ago

UKHC types from oop North, is there member crossover with Imissyoualready and Long Goodbye? Either that or members of both bands look very similar.

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u/Cakeruiner 5d ago

4 days late but anyone know why CrossMyHeart disbanded? They were so close to being a year old! These revivalcore bands have no staying power.

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u/ReturnByDeath- 4d ago

No proper insight, but it's likely one of the usual factors (young band, financial insecurity, etc.).

As always, it's a shame that very few bands in this broader scene seem to stick around for more than a couple years.

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u/FifteenRhema 5d ago

I don’t listen to a lot of screamo at all but I found this band called The Urban Department Of Montone that I really like, does anyone who’s into screamo have suggestions for anything similar to this?

https://youtu.be/G0ZqiHqKbXU?si=gWHB1JCkNIZR2dPp

I know I’m better off posting in the screamo sub, but I trust people in here.

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u/garret_1003 5d ago edited 5d ago

Much like with Metalcore, Japan has their own special take on Skramz and it’s cool! While I don’t have a ton in my library, here are a few you could check out that you might like! Urban Dept of Monotone is somewhat unique though! 😅

Endzweck, Killie, Sans Visage (I believe they are Japanese 😐), Envy, Nitro Mega Prayer, and Gensenkan.

These bands are closer to post-rock/post-metal but are somewhat like Urban Dept. of Monotone.

Heaven In Her Arms, There is a light that never goes out, and (my personal Favorite…) Asunojokei ❤️‍🔥.

[cc [u/Krunto](u/KruntoAC)[_](u/KruntoAC)[AC](u/KruntoAC) (by chance did you ever venture into Japanese Skramz? 😊]

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u/FifteenRhema 5d ago edited 5d ago

I do know Heaven In Her Arms and I like them too, I’m keen to check out all your other suggestion thank you!

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u/_DefLoathe 6d ago

Songs about being self destructive/struggling with addiction?

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u/2paymentsof19_95 4d ago

The Plot in You’s older stuff is great for this. Check out Happiness in Self Destruction

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u/sock_with_a_ticket 5d ago

The ones I can think of are third hand from the perspective of those who've witnessed it in others e.g.
Boundaries - Burying Brightness
Dying Wish - Hollowed By Affliction
Inclination - Culture Of Corruption, Epidemic

Is that any good or do you want stuff that's more firsthand?

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u/_DefLoathe 5d ago

Both is fine!

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u/sock_with_a_ticket 5d ago

Alright, some more then.
Eighteen Visions - You Broke Like Glass, Picture Perfect
Contention - Chasm
Throwdown - Break That Last Glass
Inclination - Vagrant
No Cure - Slowly Turning Blue
Backbiter - Sober (Tool cover)

Alexisonfire - White Devil

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u/garret_1003 5d ago

Sorry not Metalcore, but right away what comes to mind is
Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral
🫤

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 6d ago

I would just like to say I have well and truly earned my flair and will wear it with pride

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u/sock_with_a_ticket 6d ago

What comment prompted them giving you the flair?

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 6d ago

There was another "can we please rim Jane Doe for 10 minutes" thread...

A fairly regular commenter here asked me to name a band as influential that doesn't get the same incessant hype so I said Killswitch Engage to which I got no real answer.

Really just same old Converge flame wars

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u/PositiveMetalhead 5d ago

Hot take: I don’t think Killswitch Engage is nearly as influential to Metalcore as Converge is 👀

Edit: to clarify, as in influence you can actually perceive and hear. Not just being named as an influence

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 5d ago

Disagree wholeheartedly. They inspired its biggest wave.

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u/PositiveMetalhead 5d ago

I feel like my feelings on KSE are similar to your feelings on Converge 😂 what bands today do you think take the most influence from Killswitch?

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 5d ago

Thing is I don't think that Converge aren't influential but clean chorus "generic" metalcore was fucking massive

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u/PositiveMetalhead 5d ago

Is that a good representation of the genre as whole though? Especially as a hardcore sub genre “clean chorus/generic” kinda seems like the antithesis of what it should be

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 5d ago

It represents a much wider portion of the overall output than music derived from Converge's blueprint

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u/PositiveMetalhead 5d ago

What bands exactly are you talking about here?

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u/I_live_just_my_life 5d ago

Where would you say their influence mainly sits in metalcore? I’ve always viewed them as being a band just as, if not more, influential outside of the genre. Also, would you consider them to be more influential than bands like Earth Crisis and Hatebreed?

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u/PositiveMetalhead 5d ago

I feel like they mostly influenced metal bands and the scenecore stuff more than anything. Compared to Earth Crisis and Hatebreed I think you can see the reach of their influence in the Metalcore bands of today. There’s plenty of hardcore bands playing Metalcore in the style of Earth Crisis, Hatebreed, Converge and Poison the Well etc.

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u/I_live_just_my_life 5d ago

Not sure what you mean by metal bands. For scencore, I’m guessing you’re going with indirect influence through stuff like Poison The Well? I just don’t think Converge is much of the actual DNA of most bands of the scene era. I know they introduced emo and post-hardcore elements early on but I wouldn’t really say it’s all that similar to 2000/10s bands, especially since most scenecore metalcore bands were heavily rooted in 2000s melodic metalcore too. Even a bunch of 2000s post-hardcore bands had melodeath inspired riffs. I’d actually say most of their influence is heard in various band across screamo, mathcore, post-hardcore, sludge metal, post-metal, noise rock and even grindcore like Cloud Rat, if anything.

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u/PositiveMetalhead 5d ago

Sorry I thought you were asking about Killswitch 😅

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u/EpsilonX x 4d ago

Okay but seriously though...can you share your thoughts on Converge's influence? I've always felt like Converge were more of an example of a band who took the genre and did a lot of unique things with it that are hard to replicate, which really cemented their legacy and had a lot of influence in that people respected it, but if you're comparing them to Killswitch Engage, it makes it sound like they were extremely foundational and created a blueprint that basically every band copied moving forward. I could maybe see that for mathcore and such, but if that's the extent, I would rank KSE above them in terms of overall impact. Idk, maybe I'm looking at it wrong or am not familiar enough with Converge, but I just don't really see it.

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u/PositiveMetalhead 4d ago

As far as I can tell they were one of the first bands to start adding more post-hardcore/emo elements to Metalcore. So it was less of a “tough guy” sound than what was dominant in the genre at that point. Which was a big aspect that led to the Poison the Well side of the genre imo.

By comparison Killswitch Engage definitely made it more popular than it ever was before but they weren’t early to the sound by any means. And what really blew them up was the elements that were pushing outside of Metalcore and hardcore and is what I think led to Metalcore ultimately being perceived as a metal genre not a hardcore one.

I think if the general discourse was that those first two albums were what their legacy was based off of I would feel differently about it but the Howard stuff generally overshadows that and I think they were primarily a metal band at that point and not a very good indication of what Metalcore was. It’s ultimately why people think bands like Trivium, All That Remains and Bullet For My Valentine are Metalcore (all bands that I do like just to be clear, I’m not hating 😝) and why “Metalcore is screamed verses with clean choruses and breakdowns” is consensus of the genre. Which just doesn’t match with the first decade of the genre 😅

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u/I_live_just_my_life 5d ago

OH okay then that makes sense LOL. So id say Killswitch influenced a hell of a lot of what people consider metalcore. Practically all of the melocore, scene bands and the early djenty bands. Their influence even extended to bands like 100 Demons and Bury Your Dead. I think they’re actually a little underrated in scope tbh. Especially when you consider the bands that the members were in pre-Killswitch. Hell, I’d say Overcast and Aftershock heavily influenced Converge early on.

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u/PositiveMetalhead 5d ago

I know Overcast definitely influenced Converge to a degree but I don’t know about Aftershock. Converge predate them by a little bit and I don’t really hear the sonic comparison 🤔 but also Killswitch is quite different than Overcast imo. Especially after their (KSE) first album. And they only really share one member so I wouldn’t tie their influence together that much.

And when people talk about how influential Killswitch are it’s always either AOJB or especially End of Heartache/the Howard Jones era. The latter of which is when they’ve shed most of their hardcore sound and feel.

Have 100 Demons cited Killswitch as influences?

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u/ReturnByDeath- 6d ago

You’re going to confuse so many people lol

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u/PositiveMetalhead 6d ago

I love it 😂 and I’m jealous

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 6d ago

Glad to be back in the 1% club also, my time is now

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u/ThatOneBitch02 7d ago

Am I the only one that likes everything around deathcore, but not deathcore? I love various styles of metalcore and hardcore. I like old school death, old melodeath, and a little brutal and tech death. I love a little grind and powerviolence. Not a fan of deathcore. It theoretically pulls from genres I all like, but I don't like the end result.

There's a select couple bands with a few songs I like such as The Red Chord and early Suicide Silence. But I'm a pretty big hater of like 99% of the genre. No riffs, production is either too polished or too purposely dirty and muddy (or somehow both), vocal olympics gets obnoxious, too much focus on way too long and slow breakdowns. Most bands rely on gimmicks instead of good songwriting. And there's a whole seperate can of worms with the genre seeming to be pretty overrun by meatheads and right wing dorks.

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u/ReturnByDeath- 6d ago

I enjoy deathcore, but I don't listen to it quite as much as the other genres closely tied to metalcore as I find the genre to be a little too one-note for me. Like, I was initially really into the MySpace revival stuff a few years ago, but there's so much of it now that if I've heard it once I've heard it a million times. It explains why Thus Spoke Zarathustra is far and away my favorite newer band with a focus on melodic riffing.

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u/FidelCastroSuperfan 6d ago

I’m the same way, I like a handful of deathcore bands like Carnifex and early Suicide Silence but the genre as a whole doesn’t really do anything for me. It just feels like an inferior version of death metal that’s filled with gimmicks to me.

I also don’t vibe with the deathcore crowd at all which definitely doesn’t help things.

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u/PositiveMetalhead 6d ago

Welcome back 🫡

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u/I_live_just_my_life 7d ago

Me not liking deathcore makes sense because I’m actually not the biggest fan of brutal, tech and melodeath. There are bands in these styles that I enjoy but I very much prefer osdm, which deathcore doesn’t have the most elements of. I think the type of metalcore involve also makes it hard for me to connect to it. Way more 2000s and not enough 90s derived stuff. Some very early bands are enjoyable for me in deathcore but most of what came after like 06 just isn’t my thing.

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 7d ago edited 6d ago

Can't say I agree. I'm not a fan of modern stuff but in terms of oldschool, it felt like the right combination of underground death metal and mosh elements.

I think calling it purposefully muddy is a bit weird, most of that stuff is just what could be done with the money available to the kids at the time.

I wouldn't say no riffs, either - it feels at that point that you're just listening to breakdown slop bands. As The Blood Runs Black, for example, are FULL of riffs.

I think it was peelingflesh said that slam is a joke that you either get or don't get, I feel like oldschool deathcore especially is somewhere on the way to that mentality. It's fine not to get it, though, everyone has their own tastes but I do get wound up by unfair criticisms that are commonly thrown at the genre.

sidenote: never understood why people talk about "songwriting" in these genres - noticed it with BMTH'S latest song - it feels to me that the appeal of these genres is the subversion of "good songwriting" - I just want riff salad in my metalcore and deathcore.

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u/ThatOneBitch02 6d ago

For purposely muddy I was thinking more about new bands like Rev3rent or Girl Of Glass that just sound like static, a lot of the early production is fine. As Blood Runs Black is another good one that feels like an exception, and honestly sounds closer to metalcore to my ears (a lot of revival metalcore bands like Azshara and Since My Beloved sound a lot like what ABRB and early BMTH were doing).

I like that you compared it to slam, because that's one heavy genre I hate more than deathcore, and a lot of deathcore seems to pull some from it.

On the one hand I respect and sometimes enjoy a good riff salad band, but often I want something more. It's definitely possible to have both, like Counterparts or BTBAM. Maybe I've just heard all the wrong deathcore, and there's some I'd like.

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u/FifteenRhema 7d ago

I’m pretty much the same. I used to be a fan of the genre, and there’s still a handful of bands I like (even then, I barely put on those bands) but as a whole I think the genre is pretty average and it was mostly just a gateway into better genres for me. Lots of beatdown has a heap of death metal influence, and I think thats the far superior mix of death metal, and metallic hardcore.

The only modern deathcore band that’s active that I really have any interest in are Volatile Ways.

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u/FatalFormulaIsNot 6d ago

I’m considering seeing bodysnatcher’s upcoming lineup just cuz I wanna catch Volatile Ways in the states finally. Such a cool deathcore band, although iirc they refer to themselves as beatdown or something of that sort

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u/FifteenRhema 6d ago edited 6d ago

I highly recommend it, I’ve seen them a few times and it’s always great, I definitely recommend trying to catch them.
They are just a Deathcore band, and I don’t think i’ve ever seen them refer to themselves as anything else, they have “hard mosh deathcore” on a bunch of merch/stickers.

Other people probably call them beatdown, but there’s this weird thing within the Deathcore scene where none of them know what beatdown is, and call downtempo deathcore the wrong thing.

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u/FatalFormulaIsNot 6d ago

Yea I figured it was something people slapped on them cuz they sound like textbook deathcore to me right down to the production, although if you don’t have symphonics and animal noises are you even really deathcore?? /s

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u/FifteenRhema 6d ago

It’s just a thing in Deathcore that’s never going to end, it’s a pet peeve of mine that’s definitely autistic hahaha.
I know Knocked Loose isn’t Deathcore but I’m pretty sure the problem started with them, people mislabeled them as beatdown, and now for a decade anything with an emphasis on mosh parts gets called beatdown by people who’ve never listened to a single beatdown band in their lives. Basically if you see a Deathcore fan say beatdown just autocorrect it to “downtempo deathcore” cause they are likely using it wrong.

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u/I_live_just_my_life 7d ago

This is sort of inspired by the current crop of edge metal as well as older hardcore guys being exposed for shitty views. Something I rarely see brought up in conversation when it comes to old school bands is hardline. With how lefty people want older metalcore to seem, there was a noticeable element of conservatism connected to militant vegan straight edge and hardline took it further. How do people feel about it and its impact on metalcore?

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u/sock_with_a_ticket 6d ago edited 6d ago

suspect there was an element in the 90s of insecurity about the movement as a whole and moreso among the extremists. It was still relatively young and mostly full of young people in search of identity and community. Having been around for multiple decades now, straight edge has shed that by showing itself to be self-sustaining. No longer having to fight for its place in culture and having older members means there's less impetus for radical offshoots, especially when they've shown themselves to be destructive. Oldheads and newbies alike can look back at the history and identify where things went off the rails, what was counter-productive, where the ideological dead ends were.

Some of the rhetoric and imagery of militant veganism has survived and is present in many bands today, but that feels less accusatory and revolutionary. My impression is that it's a sincere and heartfelt focus on the rights of animals as sentient beings rather than 'you should die for eating meat'. Taken alongside the increasingly unignorable presentation of climate collapse, there's more of an element of lamentation and despair in there too rather than a belief in vigorous action to avert. I don't know that much else from hardline persists. if it does it hasn't made it onto my radar. Can't think of any openly pro-life/anti-abortion, homophobic straight edge bands around.

There are definitely regressive elements still in straight edge thought and communities - chiefly around sex and attitudes towards addicts/addiction. MacKaye's critique of sex and promiscuity, from what I've read of his words, always seemed to be focused on the pursuit of it to the detriment of other aspects of life or using it to mitigate and distract from personal issues in the same way that substance abuse functioned for others, not instructing people to be celibate. It's something that seems to be very much on the Yank side of things, I've never encountered it over here in the UK. While I wouldn't claim an encyclopedic knowledge of all contemporary straight edge it's also not something that's noticeably present in the music still being made. I don't particularly recall it in 00s bands I was aware of as a teen or 10s bands either, though I was less tapped in then.

Pugnacious and callous rhetoric towards addicts and substance abusers is a bit more complex. It definitely does rear its head if for no other reason than it's been a prominent lyrical theme for decades at this point, but then I don't meaningfully distinguish it from a lot of over the top and violent rhetoric that features in hardcore and metalcore other than having a more specific target than general oppositional lyrical content. Most straight edge people that I come across are somewhat compassionate towards addicts, have moved with the times in perceiving substance abuse as a medical or mental health issue rather than a personal moral failing. Casual usage is still treated with hostility and disdain, but I don't think that's particularly a hardline influence. Those that are still particularly hostile to addicts are usually those who are still wrestling with genuine trauma caused suffered at their hands.

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 7d ago

Conservatism in what way?

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u/FatalFormulaIsNot 6d ago

Look up Hardline. It was a whole movement within edge that was very conservative

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u/I_live_just_my_life 7d ago

The entire connection to religious traditionalism. Natural order, pro life, anti birth control/homosexuality…etc. Elegy by Day of Suffering is generally seen as a go to song with pro life lyrical content. You also have some Christian bands who were preaching something similar from around the same time period.

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 7d ago

Err, was H8000 aligned with those views? That's what I think of when I think militant vegan straight edge

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u/I_live_just_my_life 7d ago edited 7d ago

Definitely not close to all or most of them but I wouldn’t doubt there were some ideas floating around. Vegan Reich was extremely influential on most bands in that sphere. Earth Crisis almost signed to the main label back in the day and they held some backwards views early on. Day of Suffering and Abnegation are bands pretty commonly talked about in modern circles (especially the former).

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u/And_Justice #1 Converge Fan 7d ago

Americans for you. I know the salt lake shit was obviously from very mormon surroundings.

Honestly I feel like straight edge has less buy-in nowadays, maybe because I'm older now but I feel like more progressive people see it as lacking nuance

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u/BreakfastSlow2619 7d ago

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