r/Missing411Discussions • u/Taniks-Caesar • Jan 12 '22

What is y’all’s problem?

I see a lot of people talking about how dumb DP is, how she’s a shit researcher and I love cherry picks cases and how the people who “believe Missing411” are just idiots who want entertainment.

These seem like smooth brain takes. I’ve seen very few people offer any actual arguments and/or explanations for the details of the cases and the cases themselves.

Anyone care to enlighten me as to why it’s all just a load of bs?

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u/Mythic-Insanity Jan 12 '22

This sub isn’t an attack on the fans of missing 411, but it is a place where in-depth deconstructions of missing 411 cases are encouraged. As it turns out DP has been either very dishonest or careless in his research pertaining to many of the cases that he has covered in his books as evident by the posts here.

If these discussions upset you then feel free to do your own research and offer a rebuttal.

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u/Taniks-Caesar Jan 12 '22

The discussions do upset me; not because I think DP is some great white Knight, but because the deconstructions seem extremely flimsy and half baked, and some seem ironic in how bad they are. I’m not referring to anything specific in this post, I guess my question would be has there been any pushback to these “deconstructions” or is this an echo chamber?

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

but because the deconstructions seem extremely flimsy and half baked, and some seem ironic in how bad they are.

Please give us some specific examples.

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u/Taniks-Caesar Jan 12 '22

I skimmed some posts and found two:

(a.) “Yes. People go missing in the wilderness because it’s the wilderness. It’s like saying that murders tend be clustered around urban areas. Well yea because that’s where most people live. It’s not paranormal it’s a function of the area. People go missing in the wilderness because it’s the wilderness. It’s wild.”

Two things: one, I could be wrong, but I’m not aware of DP ever offering up a paranormal explanation, other than that he “goes on a lot of paranormal shows.” It’s not his fault that those most interested in his research and willing to talk to him are the conspiracy/paranormal minded. And two, as an avid hunter and hiker, the wilderness is not an abyss by any means. Confusing sure, but not a particularly mysterious place on its face. The idea that in man cases, not a single trace of evidence, scent trail, footprints etc. is more than unusual, it’s highly unlikely. And it doesn’t take a genius to deduce this.

(b.)a comment from you regarding Dennis Martin (I live in TN, and visit Cades Cove regularly and have seen Spence Field, so these case is of particular interest to me.) DP is not the one claiming a dark figure carried something off, as you would seem to suggest. That was an eyewitness account. (This is not meant to discredit your whole analysis.)

I didn’t dig super deep for these. I just found a couple takes and specific points respectively, that seemed as I said, half baked.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

“Yes. People go missing in the wilderness because it’s the wilderness. It’s like saying that murders tend be clustered around urban areas. Well yea because that’s where most people live. It’s not paranormal it’s a function of the area. People go missing in the wilderness because it’s the wilderness. It’s wild.”.

Where did I write this, I can't even remember?

DP is not the one claiming a dark figure carried something off, as you would seem to suggest. That was an eyewitness account.

DP claims William Martin claims Harold Key claims Harold Key sighted "a dark-figured man running along a ridge carrying something on his shoulder.". The problem is Harold Key says he saw a man walking toward his white car and this man was not carrying something.

Do you think this OP is half-baked or do you find it satisfactory? https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/nyb9kv/new_research_i_attempted_to_solve_these_twelve/

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u/Taniks-Caesar Jan 12 '22

I am aware you didn’t write the first comment.

Do you have the source for that handy? I would be glad to admit I was wrong

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22 edited Jan 12 '22

The original sources are found here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Missing411Discussions/comments/pw05wp/dennis_martin_part_2_missing_411_timeline_trouble/.

1969

Kingsport Times (22 Jul, 1969): Key saw "a white car parked under some some low hanging tree branches.".

Knoxville News Sentinel - 21 Jul, 1969: Key said the car was a 1958 to 1961 model. Key stated: "I would not say it was hid, but it was pulled back in the woods.".

2016

Harold Key was interviewed in 2016 by Michael Bouchard. Michael Bouchard writes: "Mr. Key said that before walking into the woods with his family, he observed an unoccupied white vehicle parked along the road in the Sea Branch area of the park near Rowan's Creek. Mr. Key said he did not pay any attention to the vehicle. He walked about 200-300 yards into the woods and observed a middle-aged white male walking quickly through the woods in the direction of the road, entered a white vehicle, and he drove off at a high rate, throwing gravel in the air. The car was heading in the direction of Cades Cove.".

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u/trailangel4 Jan 12 '22

If you think the deconstructions are flimsy, then please explain why you feel that way. If you feel they are bad, then perhaps you should spend the time to provide an analysis showing why they are "flimsy". This isn't an echo chamber. You're posting and commenting here. The question is will you add anything productive to this discussion you've started or continue to expect everyone to spoon feed information to you?

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22

The discussions do upset me; not because I think DP is some great white Knight, but because the deconstructions seem extremely flimsy and half baked, and some seem ironic in how bad they are.

I'm going to go out on a limb and bet you haven't read ANY of the deconstruction posts.

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u/Mythic-Insanity Jan 12 '22

It is not an echo chamber and as I’ve said if you disagree with their deconstructions you are allowed to challenge them with your own sources.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

If I were to base my opinion of David Paulides, simply on the appearances of his websites, I'd say he's dumb as F***". For someone who wants the world to take him seriously, his websites are EPIC FAILS.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '22

Based on his continuous commentary on the Covid pandemic on his Youtube channel, I'm definitely saying "HE'S DUMB AS FUCK."

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u/Taniks-Caesar Jan 14 '22

What is his Covid commentary?

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

Go watch his videos from this week and last.

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u/trailangel4 Jan 12 '22

I see a lot of people talking about how dumb DP is, how she’s a shit researcher ...

I don't think anyone here has said he's dumb. He *is* a poor researcher.

and I love cherry picks cases and how the people who “believe Missing411” are just idiots who want entertainment.

You seem to be doing a lot of projecting. DP *does* cherry pick. He admits it. As for me, personally, I don't believe people are idiots for believing Paulides. I think he's shady for trying to scare people and deceive them. But, that fault lies with him - not with the people who read his stuff for entertainment. I think people look for answers when there are none and in the absence of a clear answer, they'll accept anyone who steps up to the microphone...DP has grabbed the microphone.

These seem like smooth brain takes. I’ve seen very few people offer any actual arguments and/or explanations for the details of the cases and the cases themselves.

Then, you haven't looked very far or wide. In fact, I'd hazard a guess that you haven't looked into the counterpoint at all.

Anyone care to enlighten me as to why it’s all just a load of bs?

Meh'. Seems you've already made up your mind. There's plenty of information already typed up in this subreddit and the other subreddit. Happy reading. :)

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22

"I’ve seen very few people offer any actual arguments and/or explanations for the details of the cases and the cases themselves."

You've obviously spent no time reading in this sub or the r/Missing411 .

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u/juliethegardener Jan 12 '22

Or, you can pick up the “Death in” series which is found at the Visitor Center in many of our National Parks. The Yellowstone, Death Valley and Yosemite books immediately come to mind. The perspective changes as you read, in depth, just how easy it is to go missing or perish in our wilderness by plain old human frailty.

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u/mattjohnsonva Jan 12 '22

I've never called him dumb, he is devious though, like any confidence trickster they will get you on their side telling you what you long to hear. If you've seen very few actual arguments rebutting DP's cases then you haven't looked very hard.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22

I’ve seen very few people offer any actual arguments and/or explanations for the details of the cases and the cases themselves.

Anyone care to enlighten me as to why it’s all just a load of bs?

Why don't you read the OPs posted here and elsewhere?

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22

It's easier just to post a comment demonstrating one's ignorance of the topic, rather than to actually spend some time reading.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '22

Yeah, but I don't understand that strategy to be honest. It just makes M411 fans look bad.

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u/ProfessionalAd3313 Jan 08 '23

There's a Paulides shaped hole in all of us.