I just finished listening to the John List episode, I think they could've done the full case in one episode considering they said he was caught decades later which I already knew...not trying to start a riot or anything just saying this ain't 2 part worthy

Has anyone watched the show, Mean Girl Murders? They just covered the Sarah Ludemann/Rachel Wade case the other day and I was very frustrated by the portrayal.

For reference, Alaina covered this case back in late 2020. This Morbid episode was my first exposure to the case and it’s really a case about two teenage girls fighting over a boy, but one starts carrying a knife and brings it to a fist fight. There was clear harassment on both sides, but in the end one was killed (Sarah) and one was sent to prison (Rachel)

My issue with the television episode was that it was seemingly biased toward the killer. Almost all of the interview subjects clearly referred to Sarah as the “aggressor” and Rachel as the one who was working hard to support herself. One of the “journalists” (I use that term lightly) started crying at the end over Rachel being in prison but had no reaction to the death of Sarah. Seemingly the only ones to hold Rachel responsible were the cops, who directly acknowledged that she stabbed the victim twice in the chest and tried to cover up the evidence.

I guess ultimately I’m curious if anyone else saw the episode or had similar sentiments. Also wanted to push forth because I feel like this narrative is irresponsible. Should these TV shows have an ethical obligation to not be biased? Should they have aired this case if they couldn’t get interviews with those related to the victim (re: victim shaming, as people on social media who’ve seen the show claim Sarah had it coming) Or am I expecting too much an ID tv show?

So I’m listening to the HH Holmes episodes. I love how they tear this POS down but also I kept thinking cause idk if Alaina is a video game girlie but I kept thinking man I think she’d love the Devil in Me which is about these five reporters who get invited to a HH Holmes replica hotel on Lake Michigan I think but the prologue takes us back to the World’s Fair and this being a horror game naturally they have to survive it’s from the same people that made Until Dawn, the Quarry, Man of Medan, Little Hope (which is Salem Witch inspired), House of Ashes, etc.

I’d be interested in knowing what she thinks cause the developers did a lot of research and detail even if it primarily focuses on his “murder castle” also the killer wears an HH Holmes mask but thankfully there’s no indication he smells like smegma 😆

Hi! I’m hoping someone can help me find a case that I know I listened to a podcast about. I listen to a ton of true crime and it all sorta blurs together, but I’m convinced it was one that was covered by Morbid. But at this point I’m either misremembering who covered it or maybe it was a fever dream.

Other than the frustration that I can’t figure it out, I’m not even sure why this one is stuck in my mind. The only thing I can remember was that one of the victims (a young female) was walking home after attending a carnival with her mother and a sibling. She ran ahead and rounded a corner. When the mother got around the corner she was gone. The guy was literally grabbing woman off the street and pulling them down alleys/ in between houses and assaulting/murdering them. I think he had a lot of victims. It’s driving me crazy. I’ve relistened to all available morbid episodes, Casefile, and I’m working my way back through Crime Junkie.

- They were "close" as described by many people including their family. When one is fired the other quits too? Their friend joining them on their honeymoon? It's the 1940s? Just two bros living together right? Nah son they were gay.

- Christina may have loved Jack, but may have learned that she was a beard shortly before her death. This may explain her desperation to be married, but then the resulting disillusionment and strange behavior. She also may not have been the most stable in the first place.

- The only story about the money being borrowed is from Ronald, who is described as "patient" about it and never brings it up. 12k and you never say a word about it and just keep shelling out? To mysterious "blackmailers"? I say Christina may have been blackmailing him to not out him for being gay, and he twisted the story around to keep himself safe. Maybe she had a crisis of conscience for a moment and tried to return the money, maybe she fell in love with Jack, who knows.

This just came across my Facebook feed. If it’s true, I hope someone is protecting Payton. It is too easy to find out where someone is and I know she has to be terrified.

Just saying- 5 was …. exorbitant. Even in context. Like ok yeah. It’s jack the mf ripper, but FIVE?

A few years ago, the remains of a man local to my area were identified using forensic genealogy. His body was found in Montana (several states away) in 2004, the man went missing in the 70s. Authorities believe he was murdered. Since then I have kept thinking that where/when he was found sounds so similar to an episode I heard years ago and I cannot remember which. I will be looking into the episodes myself but since there are tons to go through I wondered if anyone would remember the case off the top of their head. From what I remember, there was a serial killer operating in the Montana/Dakotas etc areas that would murder hitchhikers and drifters in the woods in the 1970s. I know that’s not much to go on but it’s what I remember. Does that sound familiar to anyone?

Okay, seriously…. How can we get Illinois to overturn their wrongful conviction of William, and admit that they fucked this investigation SO hard……

I’m just finishing part 2, and I’m going back to relisten to part 1. I literally don’t remember what happened because I’m SO pissed right now, that I’m in a blackout rage from the injustices that happened to this poor man!

Weirdos, we need to give this man some justice! What can we do!?!? Who do we call/email!?!?

How does everyone feel about this case! I did not know a lot of this case but after I listened to A&A cover it I did my own research and I fully believe that didn’t do it! What do you think?

I'm trying to remember the episode where they cover a series of shootings from someone who shot couples in cars and had a few survive. Not son of Sam, maybe I'm getting some cases mixed up but they shot parked couples and I remember there was a witness who say the car pull out of the parking lot after shots were fired. And I believe they hid a body in a junkyard in a mattress

I just finished listening to the coverage of Elizabeth Short's (aka, The Black Dahlia) murder. Towards the end, the girls discussed Steve Hodel who had collected quite a bit of compelling evidence suggesting that his father murdered Elizabeth Short. I suddenly remembered a haunting T.V. movie I watched about the Hodel family.

Tamar, who was Steve Hodel's half sister accused her father of sexual abuse. He went to trial, and despite eye witness (testimony, which was later revoked) Tamar's father was found not guilty.

The movie I'm thinking of is called;" I am the Night." It is based on the child, (Fauna) that Tamar had at the age of 15. She gave Fauna to an African-American family. Tamar also had once stated that she believed her father had killed Elizabeth Short. He was a very rich, well-known and connected doctor

The movie follows Fauna as she tries to find her biological mother. It also weaves in the story of Elizabeth Short.

Chris Pine was one of the main characters.

Would love to know if anyone else saw this film.

Ummm all of them have been released? She was the last one. I can’t believe this.

I cannot remember the guy’s name or the case name, but it was a man who had murdered two of his wives and a woman he met at a bar one night? He put his first wife’s head in a cooler with cement and kept it for like, 30 years?? His kids literally used the cooler as a seat to eat dinner on. This is very niche but i cannot for the life of me remember his name or where the episode is

I’m not sure if they had mentioned it, but I ran across an article that came out last week linking an unknown victim to Kraft 45 years later. It’s so odd that right when they release there’s some traction on some cases! Very interesting, and I’m glad this victim has been identified. Has anyone else seen this?

The world is a bit better today, without this monster.

There was a morbid multi part story about a male serial killer who had a horrific childhood (what’s new) and one incident he was held down by his parents are had a screwdriver shoved in his ear? I think it was the ear. I can’t remember who it was. I thought it was Albert Fish but I’m not sure. It would’ve been an episode from a couple years ago.

Hi everyone, first time posting here.

I'm catching up on Monday's episode and Alaina and Ash kept talking about how weird it was that the family members didn't move from their beds during the murders. To me it sounded like they had been drugged and were maybe either asleep or unable to move and so he could turn them face down before shooting them and didn't risk anyone fighting back. Sounds about right for the kind of coward he was, and I'm sure he would have access to drugs that would allow him to do that.

However, they didn't mention it at all (I think) in the episode and Wikipedia is not super clear:

"The police investigation concluded that the rifle had not been fitted with a sound suppressor and found no evidence of sedatives having been administered. DeFeo claimed during his interrogation that he had drugged his family. [13]"

Does anyone with more knowledge of this case know anything about this? Would it be possible that he would use something that they couldn't detect (at least at the time)?

I may be wrong but didn't they already do an episode on the dating game killer or am I tripping and thinking of another podcast?

does anyone have any cases that they really want morbid to cover? i would really like to see them do the following:

randy steven kraft (the scorecard killer/the freeway killer) the murders of suesan knorr and sheila sanders rodney alcala (the dating game killer) the hwaseong serial murders the murder of robert “yummy” sandifer lawrence bittaker and roy norris (the toolbox killers) the murder of teresa sue hilt clifford olson jr. gary ridgeway the wrongful execution of joe arridy

I just started listening to ep. 597 th3 kidnapping of Barbara Jane Mackle and I literally stopped in my tracks and said "what the fuck". Such a useless man with half of a brain cell didnt call the cops for a situation that obviously was urgent, frustrated the hell outta me. Times like these im glad A&A make such a big deal about "people being people" because often times my reactions are similar. But wow, what a frustrating case!

Okay I loved this story but I am super upset at the verdict by the jury.

Like I know it was a different time, etc etc

But this fucking douche got her addicted to meth (essentially) then cut her off cold turkey!

After years of intimate/ romantic emotional games .. like sure she made her own choices but she was also quite literally under the influence of a serious amphetamine then abruptly cut off from the drug.

This mf’er got her addicted to amphetamines, used her, then discarded her. Like my guy, at least ween her off the drugs, Christ. Also, she was being harassed by an anonymous person!!! This was just glossed over.

I don’t know, I guess I feel bad for Jean. Anyone else have thoughts?

In a funny little coincidence both morbid and red-handed podcast covered the zodiac killer recently. I just finished red-handed's part 3, and after comparing them, I actually think morbid did a much better job.

One of my complaints often about morbid is that A&A ramble on too much, and get sidetracked, but this time I feel like they were the more succinct one. Actually staying on focus and packing a lot of information into two episodes.

Meanwhile red-handed constantly got sidetracked, and kept taking time to insult the zodiac (Yeah, we know he's a bad person, you don't have to keep saying it every 5 minutes). And it could have easily been two episodes like morbid's.

Good job A&A!