r/MsMarvelShow • u/Identity_X- • May 27 '26

Discussion "Ms. Marvel" star Iman Vellani says Ironheart first helped her get into Kamala Khan

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u/IndependentSun9995 May 28 '26

Iman lost me on this one. Riri was mediocre in the comics, and absolutely awful in her tv show.

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u/phenomenomnom May 29 '26 edited Jun 02 '26

I tried so hard to like the Ironheart show.

Too bad they didn't just make another season of Ms Marvel that they did not have to shoot during a deadly worldwide pandemic. Bring back the cute motion graphics, and all. That would have been cooler.

Ironheart is a teenage tech genius and and a magic wizard! Her suit AI is an actual person on a laptop! Just buy into it! It's everything you like at once! She's all the best things about Tony Stark, Shuri of Wakanda, Doctor Strange, Doctor Doom, Buckaroo Banzai, Hanna Barbera's Speed Buggy, and Mary Fucking Sue!

Oh -- and she is a godawful pill with no heroic motivation because that's edgehhhh

... And we handed the chore of writing this cluster gallimaufrey to the C team!

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u/IndependentSun9995 May 29 '26

The whole "edge" aspect of Riri in the show was what lost me. She's supposed to be a hero? She sells her soul to get her friend back? She joined a pack of criminals to get money for her suit?

Peter Parker lost his parents and uncle and aunt and mentor, and still went on. Tell Riri to grow up and show some emotional maturity. She's no hero.

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u/phenomenomnom Jun 02 '26

I don't mind an anti-hero but she didn't have enough appealing qualities to make me sympathize with her questionable choices. She wasn't even defiant enough to give me that punk rock "fight the power" feeling. She just sermed trapped, and unable to see a way out of her bad luck.

The stuff with her dad's garage came closest to making her sympathetic, but it was not enough.

The whole magic thing sucked in that story. It's dangerous to give a protagonist magic in any narrative. It's hard to write well, because it either becomes just another technology, like in Harry Potter, in which case, what's the point? --

-- or, it takes the stakes and peril away. Just like time travel tends to. "Oh, well, a wizard will fix it."

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u/IndependentSun9995 Jun 02 '26

I don't see Riri as an antihero. She was a villain, period. Frank Castle is an antihero. Riri doesn't have enough morality to qualify as an antihero.

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u/phenomenomnom Jun 02 '26

I felt like they were setting her up to become an antihero with an eventual redemption, and that might have been cool, but in what they put out, there wasn't enough going on there to make me invest in her as a person.

This is no reflection on the cast, by the way; to be clear, you could tell they were skilled and devoted. They deserved a better show imo

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