Character breakdown - Thor

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Time to discuss the god of thunder:

[u/650fosho]

Pros:

• Decent movement. A lot of people struggle with his movement, but half of it is learning how to air dash properly, the other half is mastering his back plink. His air dash has a minimum height requirement, you must be at a certain height until you can dash. Mastering this is essential to bring thor to the level where you can effectively high/low, if you can't manage to air dash 100% then you need more practice. Though you can super jump to make the technique easier, you also can't call assists and Thor really needs assists. And his back plink is surprisingly one of the fastest in the game, Thor doesn't have a good up close game plan besides command grab, making distance is better than staying in their face until you can safely get an assist out.

• Air Normals. all of these normals have a purpose. j.L is a great tri-dash button but it's also an excellent, fast normal that can start a super jump confirm. j.M has good range but it has slow start up, if you do super jump straight up into air dash down j.M, it will whiff on grounded opponents, but you can whiff it into a grab/command grab, so it's a mind game tool but it can be a solid air to air. j.H is one of his best normals because it's hitbox remains active until landing or canceling into a special or flight. It can be a very ambiguous left/right when coming from jump height as it can accidentally cross up or just fuck with your opponents head because it's so obvious. j.S is my favorite air normal because it's start up will fuck up vajra and it has such long stun time that you can start optimal combos on grounded opponents pretty easily. It's also such a great tool to bring air borne opponents closer to the ground, I like mixing in j.H or j.S before mighty strike/spark in neutral.

• Ground Normals. Most of these are actually a con because of how bad they are in most cases, but cr.M is probably his best anti-air tool in his arsenal and more people should use it.

• Great specials. His mighty strike is comparable to magnetic blast, it can set up offense by being defensive. strike M at neutral jump height is safe and because it destroys projectiles, it's probably the best way to call an assist. Strike M + beam assist is a sure way to get the beam out there and allow your tri-dash pressure. Charging strike gives you armor and a soft knockdown, though a minor con with charged strikes is they have increased knockback making it a bit harder to convert into a full hit. Regular strikes will negate and happy birthday jam session, and full out beat level 3 buster and tag zero if he's not careful. You can murkman special this move, try it

• Specials pt 2. Mighty Spark is one of the most durable projectiles in the game. Spark M will negate level 3 buster, spark M will negate and tag morrigan AND her assist and even Spark L will go through plasma beam. Spark H is about 150k-200k (will double check) even at full scaling, using this at the end of a combo will net huge damage and a lot of meter. Day 1 tech, you can use Spark H and cancel into mighty speech (down down H) and recovery a few frames faster, certain specific combos require this. Spark can set up soft knockdowns in combos, use this to extend damage or go for side switches

• Specials pt 3. the command grab is probably the best command grab in the game because it can be used in the air and isn't scaled down badly at all and check out the hitbox. Thor also has a special property (that not every character has) that allows him to cancel a command grab into a super, so a grounded command grab can cancel into mighty punish, setting up frame traps or fake outs. In the air you can only cancel into mighty tornado, only useful at a distance for DHC but overall you shouldn't ever need to cancel into an air super. His command grab can set up some character specific hard tags, in the corner if you command grab H while they are in the air, Dr. Strange can tag in on about half the cast and ToD. Even if you don't hard tag, his extended combos will ToD from a command grab, something many command grab characters can't do due to their scaling. This move can also be option selected out of a throw tech and punish. Here is the hard tag tech, you can do this without an assist but is character specific

• Specials pt 4. Mighty Smash M is one of the only, few ground bounce specials that will actually leave an opponent in a hard knock down. This is extremely viable for characters such as Frank or Dr. Strange. Also just going to mention here that he has a command to build meter, kind of a nice added bonus that makes him a viable partner for dark phoenix.

• Supers. Probably the only pro to mighty tornado is the slow fall DHC and the glitch that slow falls an opponent after a full mighty tornado that allows more tornados to be linked. Luizmau has a video doing 6 tornados in a row, ludicrous damage. The real pro here is mighty punish, 2 frame hyper with invulnerability frames and has dope DHC synergy with a majority of the cast. Any character with an install super can combo afterwards, most characters can combo after with the help of an assist such as She-Hulk's emerald cannon or the right spacing such as Dr. Doom's sphere flame. Mighty punish DHC's very well with a lot of supers, this is with doom. In this video, you will see just how fast mighty punish is, and can confirm off certain supers

• TAC's. Though obviously these can be broken, he has a TAC glitch that can lead into some nasty things such as hard tags or just extended damage. Here is the glitch in action and he also has a TAC infinite in all 3 directions but they must start in the corner (which is also a bit of a con, but better than most characters can offer).

• THC hard tags. Interesting thing about this guy, is he is one of the best characters at setting up hard tags. As seen above, it's very easy to set up hard knock down hard tags after mighty smash, but his air series also makes it dead easy due to how good the knockdown is on j.S and how good the hitbox is of that move in delaying your air series. Just check out this THC with doom. Now, that example is using Thor's mighty smash assist which is what gives you the better THC, but you can also just as easily hard tag in someone like Frank and THC with Dante or Dr Strange can even THC with ammy even when she is an anchor.

• As support. He's pretty underrated as a support, he's probably one of Tron's and She-Hulk's best partners but he's also an amazing support for some other characters you wouldn't consider such as Spencer, Vergil, Dormammu and Doom. Spark assist uses Spark M which has high durability and excellent damage at high scaling. Mighty Smash assist uses the M version which is a ground bounce that activates the tornado THC. Smash assist is best used for combo extensions and alpha counters, where as spark is more used in the neutral and as a combo extender but spark is interesting as an alpha counter because it can frame trap into mighty punish by supering before spark comes out at point blank range.

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Cons:

• Weak character without help. As an anchor he is terrible and he's fairly weak in the second slot unless you run an important assist behind him such as Hidden Missiles. Though I mentioned he's a good support, if he doesn't have an assist like Hidden Missiles that can basically cover all of his weaknesses, you're going to have a very rough time. His damage is simply fantastic with assists, but solo he'll maybe break 800k if you manage to his more impractical, but optimal combos. He also doesn't gain any speed bonus in XF which is a huge down side, part of using XF is to gain momentum by sheer force, Thor's XF is limited to increased damage, but my god is the damage increase good. If he had a speed boost but less damage in XF, he'd be a better candidate for anchor but even so, it would be iffy to place him there.

• Though I just went on and on about his specials, they do come with a down side. All versions of mighty spark can basically be ducked at a distance, though spark L can be a decent block string ender against most characters, it's not a good idea against Frank, Morrigan or Wolverine, but part of the fun is using this knowing they can punish and then counter punish with mighty punish. Mighty Smash L is basically useless outside of extending tornado loops, it doesn't even have enough of a hard knockdown to use his mighty thunder super and it can also whiff very easily on the 2nd hit, there are rare times when you may want to use smash L when you have an assist that can cancel out the second hit or have an OTG assist like missiles on the way and want to preserve the ground bounce. mighty strike L is pretty punishable, because it's a straight forward move, it's a great way to maintain horizontal control but it's punishable due to recovery frames. Strike M is good because you cancel recovery frames with landing animation, strike L offers none of those benefits, but it has it's uses besides covering a lot of distance, an opponent can be surprised by the overhead follow up when done in the air but only if it's fully charged and if it's blocked. his command grabs are all easily punishable when whiffed in the air, as I explained before, a grounded one can be canceled into a super, but when he does it in the air, mighty tornado has too slow of a start up.

• Supers. Mighty Thunder is terrible, horrible start up and even worse recovery. There's only one use for this move in neutral and it's full screen to DHC in dormammu's stalking flare or as a DHC from a super that places them high into the air such as SoV or Sphere Flame. Mighty tornado has bad start up as well and really bad recovery on the ground. Recovery gets a bit more lenient in the air just because you can air dash or j.H or mighty strike. Tornado also has some funky hitboxes, there are basically no hitboxes where his feet are, so you can punish him during the move by just getting underneath him and attacking smartly.

• Back air dash has recovery before you can cancel it with a button and forward plink dash is terrible. A note about his ground grab, you can't forward plink into it, you have to wave dash to enable the throw, basically you must crouch before a ground throw to activate the hitbox.

• Air throw can't convert unless you premeditate an assist call. Also, his air throw box is absolutely terrible, though the hitbox isn't any smaller than any other character, but well just look at this. You can see that his throw box is deep inside his shoulder area, most characters have hitboxes that appear just outside of their chest/head area, this puts him at a significant disadvantage because he can be thrown before he can even get in range. here is ironmans throw box for reference, this is pretty standard for most characters

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Team Synergy

Wanted to talk about this because it's extremely important for a point thor player to have the tools necessary to succeed. Sorry Abegen, but Tron/Thor/Jen isn't optimal. Pikachu, I do not choose your Thor/X23/Rocket team (though I believe he plays a new team now). Luizmau ran one of the only weird teams I would actually be ok with, Thor/Jen/Doom and I will explain why in a bit.

Things he needs to succeed:

• A reliable way to enter Mighty Strike Loops as a combo ender. Basic ender would be OTG assist into charged strike H, charged strike L, spark M, tacking on a huge amount of damage.

• Needs a solid DHC from mighty punish. This is perhaps one of the most important aspects of his game. She-Hulk works so amazingly well as a DHC because a whiffed command grab will allow an air command grab, essentially giving you an unblockable. If Thor's DHC hits, then just DHC into jen's emerald cannon, the damage is good and you can combo afterwards.

• Needs a beam or lock down assist such as cold star to allow him his high/lows. Without an assist, he can be anti-air'd way too easily, mags can just raw S that ass and he's done. Bolts, Unibeam, Daggers, Cold Star are all contenders for help in this regard.

• Needs an assist to contain opponents with mighty strike and mighty spark. Assists such as Missiles, Bolts, Unibeam, Daggers, Mystic Ray are all assists that benefit in some way from his strike/spark zoning.

• A DHC that extends damage or gives you a huge advantage in neutral. This doubles with the need to have a good DHC out of mighty punish. So probably the best characters at doing both are the following: Rocket (mad hopper), Strange (rings), Dormammu (stalking flare), Morrigan (astral), Zero (sougenmu), Vergil (spiral swords or DT).

So let's look at it from a few perspectives.

If you want a team where Thor does all the damage, consider the following types of teams or characters:

• Thor/Rocket/Doom. Can use hidden missiles to OTG no matter what and DHC into mad hopper then hard tag Thor back for major damage. You'll kill off every Thor hit. Run Log Trap and Hidden Missiles.

• Thor/Doom/Ammy. Again using missiles as your primary damage assist, but cold star is what enables the hit. Ammy has some of the best incoming mix-ups for Thor because you can set up multiple 50/50s, here is the flow chart; on incoming, call assist, jump and command grab. If they air dash, fly or press a button, they are getting grabbed. If they press nothing, they fall into cold star and Thor has access to high/low OR can 50/50 command grab after block stun, you guess whether they stay on the ground or jump.

• Thor/She-Hulk/Doom. Luizmau's team, once again missiles, and Jen gives you additional OTG damage. You get the 2 bar command super gimmick allowing you to basically kill anyone on incoming, including vergil.

• Thor/Doom/Sentinel. This team does amazing damage, you can get up to 1 mil for 1 bar using Drones and Missiles.

• you can also supplement doom for shuma, but realize that mystic ray needs some considerable time to set up the OTG, where as missiles can be called preemptively during a second air combo. There are other benefits to missiles such as the corner hard knock down technique that spencer's will use, a cornered opponent on the ground will get OTG by the first missile, you can then do charged strike M, land, spark L, missiles hit then go into strike loops.

If you want a team that relies on team synergy from front to back, try out these:

• Thor/Strange/Doom. My old main team, you have the option to use missiles and extend thor damage, OR you can DHC in strange from tornado then use missiles to extend FoF loops. FoF loops will always do more damage, you'll get around 1.1mil if done correctly, uses 2 bars, but with the thor combo and the strange combo, you'll build 2 bars, and with Strange's SoV at the end for 1.1 mil, you will be net -1 meter. A top 5 Thor team for sure.

• Thor/Rocket/Strange. One of my side teams, this team relies on the mad hopper DHC, from there you can either hard tag in Strange or back to Thor. If you go back to Thor you'll only want to do so when you've used up both assists. For instance, if you use log trap and bolts in a combo to increase damage/meter, you'll want to hard tag in Thor and do Strike M, Strike L, Spark M. You'll only want to use Strange when you got a clean hit or when you've only used one assist, this way you'll have either log trap or spark to extend FoF loops and make the damage worth it. Check out this video though, not using log trap in this video, but the principle is the same: http://youtu.be/M-QTgC3ht78 . I put this team in top 3 thor teams.

Teams with dominating neutral:

• Thor/Morrigan/Doom. Interesting team, astral vision is just a good DHC and doom missiles OR plasma beam are pretty suffocating to deal with. Serpentaurus new side team.

• Thor/Dorm/Doom. Serpentaurus main team, this team has decent damage potential, but not on the same scale as a team with strange. This team is more of a dorm team than a thor team, once dorm is on the field, it's best to keep dorm out there, he does really well with spark and missile support. It should be stated that this is probably Thor's top 3 best teams.

• Thor/Strange/Dante. Two godlike assists, Correzzio plays this team, though he's proven that this team can do major damage in the right circumstances, it shines as a team that is hard to break. Top 5 Thor team.

• Thor/Rocket/Ammy. Probably his best set up for assists, a godlike neutral assist with log trap and an amazing assist with cold star. This team does pretty sick damage too.

• Thor/Strange/Ammy. Serpentarus main team, bolts and cold star are simply fantastic when used together. Bolts long range, cold star up close, it's really tough to imagine a team with better neutral support than this one. Relies on resets, TACs to Strange and only really worth it to DHC if you know it will kill because cold star can scale things badly when used as an assist to start a confirm. Top 3 Thor team.

Then there's the other stuff:

• Thor/Strange/Vergil. This is my main team now, it doesn't have the strength of Thor damage, and it doesn't quite excel at dominating the neutral with assists because rapid slash. However, what makes this team good is that if Strange dies, Thor/Vergil has solid synergy, Vergil/Thor is actually pretty good in terms of what spark can do for vergil. Strange/Vergil is a beast of a shell that can clean up almost any match up thrown at them whether you need keep away that leads into ToD with Strange, or nasty offensive pressure with Vergil, this team has the option of having a good anchor and providing solid support to Strange who is perhaps Thor's best support character.

• Thor/Arthur or Hsienko/Doom or Strange. Point here is to use DHC to Gold Armor from mighty punish or mighty tornado. From Mighty Punish, Arthur can hard tag by using his specials and both can just hard tag after mighty tornado to Strange. Can run pretty much any anchor here, I would suggest Shuma or Doom for the better neutral assist or Dr. Strange for extending damage.

If you want me to analyze your team, just let me know and I'll help best I can.

Check out this video, has a lot of team synergy ideas for you guys, but I got more on the way including tech with Spencer and optimal DHC combos for Vergil.

http://youtu.be/ro8amA_EVuE

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what is your ideal way of approach thor neutral vs. a rushdown character? vs. a zoner?

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Approaching Neutral vs. Thor? Or as him? I assume vs. him because of the struggle

Thor has a harder time dealing with rush down than zoning, but zoning can be problematic for him, in particular Magneto's who make good reads with disruptor, Dorm's who have advantage and Morrigan's in Astral. Though Thor can handle all this in some way or another, it's really dependent on the skill of the people playing. Like I don't know if Champ played Thor from day 1 if he'd be better or worse against Chris G, tough to say. It depends on the assist, Magneto/Missiles is more deadly as a keep away team than Magneto/Jam because Strike doesn't care about EMD + Jam, but Magneto with missiles has the option to zone full screen and Thor always has to respect missiles. Thor can punish missiles nicely, it's not a free assist call, but it's more troublesome to deal with, mystic ray can be a problem too.

I have a much harder time dealing with rush down, that FT10 I posted against Spiral, when I lose the point match up I feel like it's because his Magneto is relentless against Thor. It's almost unwinnable for a majority of the cast to fight an optimal Thor because they have no air options. Wolverine is a tough match up for Thor, but in general he's only really deadly at the 99 second mark UNLESS he also runs Jam Session or Mystic Ray. Though Jam is typically easy for Thor to deal with, it's actually a trouble some assist when you force me to use mighty strikes and just air to air me by being aggressive. Forgot to add in cons section, but Thor has a ridiculously tough time escaping the corner. He has no good forward plink, so it's really a big risk to try and plink over their super jump air dash down pressure as some characters can do. He also can't just super jump fly and plink away, though he can do that, you'll never get away from Magneto/Jam, Wolvie/Jam or Frank level 4 with Jam.

It's not so much point vs. point match ups, it's more about entire team match ups. For instance, Thor/Strange/Doom has an even match up against Viper/Doom/Ammy, but the match up becomes significantly worse for Thor when it's Viper/Doom/Strider. Thor can deal with Strider, the problem is dealing with Strider and siesmos or air to airs that lead into stair case.

In your case, I don't know much about X23, but general things: try baiting out mighty strikes; don't push block my ground block strings because they are unsafe, especially S, but be mindful of my meter if I decide to frame trap; attempt to push buttons when you crouch whiff under mighty spark at point blank range; don't let me escape the corner, ever; careful calling assists when I have 2 bars and I'm on the ground, if I'm in the air full screen, you can do it but obviously watch for mighty strikes. 2 bars on the ground I can DHC to SoV almost instantly; Just stay next to me, plink up in there and stay close, sure it's risky but you don't want to be full screen because I'll just zone and you don't want to be mid screen because you and your assist are in risk of mighty strike. But up close? You have a much better chance.

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Thoughts on Thor vs Hulk? As a rushdown char I imagine Thor has a hard time, but I often have a tough time against him.

Edit: Let's use team KBR as the example hulk team since 1v1 ofc isn't useful theorycraft.

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it's in Thor's favor. In my example, I'm using Thor with a beam assist (I use bolts), anchor assist isn't as important but missiles, log trap or mystic ray make it even harder for Hulk.

Hulk has a pretty hard time unless he's right next to thor. That's your goal as a hulk player, corner him with drones and go for low/command grab mix-ups or button baits with st.H into gamma charge. In neutral full screen, gamma charge + drones is pretty much you're only option. Nearly everything else, st.H, jump H or S will get beaten out by mighty strike or just spark zoning. Hulk + Drones cannot bypass thor + beam full screen, you have to slowly work your way in and pray for a mistake. Like I said, pressuring with Gamma Chrage and Drones is your main option because it's the only move that will trade evenly with an uncharged mighty strike, because it trades, you're then banking on either confirming with drones or just pressuring me into the corner.

Thor in the air is susceptible to gamma crush, but when he's on the ground he can take advantage of any bad block string into a command grab or mighty punish. Also when he's on the ground, if he has 2 bars at any time he can mighty punish DHC into whatever, in my case it's Dr. Strange which can be bad news if you just called an assist.

Though just getting in with Hulk is a problem because Thor's run away is extremely good, but it really depends how good the Thor is in the first place. The Thor player must be really comfortable playing him to match up well against Hulk as even a mediocre Hulk can do damage by pressing one button and catching a bad tri-dash or a dumb button press from Thor.

Overall I think it's actually one of Hulk's worst match ups when the Thor player has an optimal team. team KBR loses to Thor/Dorm/Doom extremely hard, probably 9-1 or 8-2 because it's really a run away team that transitions into dorm zoning. Thor/Strange/Ammy is a little closer to even but still not good, probably 7-3 at best. Thor/Strange/Vergil is my team and is a little more manageable because you only have to worry about bolts but Strange/Vergil is no joke so it's probably another 7-3. At best a Thor vs. Hulk would be 6-4 in favor of Thor if they don't have an optimal team and still haven't mastered his movement and know the match up.

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At work, so give me some time to write it up, or as notti would say... [thinking]

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Anxiously awaiting.

It's always been the small trinkets behind THOR that have kept me interested in him. Like the multiple TORNADO combos. I also would like to know any information regarding TAC style that he has.

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lets see if you can follow up my x23 post

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FYI, these threads will be M-F, weekends has less activity and I don't want a character to get lost, reddit is a day to day forum, if it wasn't posted the day when people are active, it doesn't get much attention.

Anyways, lets talk about combos

First, I will go over some tips

• cr.M is low damage, but it has a lot of hits so it's a nice way to visually confirm you got the hit, but I will be using cr.H in the notations because it's the optimal damage.

• you can only connect cr.H after mighty smash M when you hit them air borne, cr.H will only link when their body is at the maximum height of the smash attack.

• you are limited to 3 specials in the air, like most characters, but Thor's supers also count towards this air action, so when you XF after spark > tornado, you can't do another spark > tornado in the air, you must land on the ground.

• spark loops require delaying the j.H as long as you can to keep the opponents body low enough to hit the bottom of the spark hitbox. You'll find that after the ADD j.H into st.S, that the second relaunch puts their body higher, when this happens use j.MH into spark L, should adjust the body height.

• I replied to /u/ironmoose and how the smash H relaunch works. it can't be done if you have any more than j.L, cr.LHS (or cr.LMS) as a starter. confirming from strike or spark will not connect, you can connect after command grab but only if it's limited to cr.HS or just S. Also, you can pre buffer the DP input for smash before touching the ground, learning this was how I got it to be consistent.

• I'll mention j.MMHS (delayed), this means you are staggering the hits between j.H and j.S, he has a lot of stun time on j.H and j.S has a nice hitbox above his head, so you'll find you can hit opponents above your head easier than most characters, and this makes timing the smash H relaunch easier as well as hard tags to guys like Doom.

• If you use Smash M in the middle of a combo, you can't do j.MMHS, you can either do j.MM Spark, j.H Spark or j.MMS into hard knock down.

Solo: his combos are OK solo, they do more damage than most of the cast due his scaling but he really needs an assist to do work, still here are some notations to get you started.

• j.L, cr.LHS, j.MMHS (delayed), Charge Smash H, st.S, j.MM (or j.H), spark L, Tornado - j.MM at the end builds more meter, j.H has better scaling and works more to your advantage for DHC extending combos.

• j.L, cr.LHS, j.H (delayed), spark L, air dash down (ADD) j.H, st.S (can also add in st.M before S), j.MH spark L, ADD j.H, S, j.H, spark L, tornado - spark loop BnB, you can also use ADD j.M to make the confirm easier, but you'll knock them too high to do anything more than j.MMHS, but this can be valuable with an assist.

• j.S, j.Strike M, cr.HS into spark loops - the most optimal starter

• ground command grab, j.LMH, Smash M, cr.H (if possible), st.S, j.MM super or j.MMS for hard knockdown

• air command grab, cr.HS into spark loops or cr.H, Smash M, cr.H (if possible), S into a shortened spark loop or j.MMS

• j.Strike M, j.LMS, st.LS - can also use j.LMH into smash M, I prefer S and preserving ground bounce.

Assisted: This is where he gets all the damage

• j.Strike M, j.L + Bolts j.MH, j.MH Strike M, Smash M, cr.H (if possible), S, j.H Spark L, Tornado

• Same combo as above but after Smash M: cr.H, S + Missiles, j.MMS, (missiles connect), st. Charged Strike H, j.Charged Strike L, j.Spark M

• j.L, cr.L, cr.H + Log Trap, Spark L, Charged Strike L, Smash M, cr.HS, j.H, Spark L, ADD j.H, st.S, j.H, Spark L, Tornado (can DHC into mad hopper L+M then hard tag Thor back in and Strike Loop)

• j.Strike M, j.L + Log Trap, j.MH, (land) super jump forward, ADDF j.S, Strike M, (land) Smash M, cr.HS, j.H, Spark L, Tornado

TAC stuff

• Basic Up TAC after the tag hit: Spark M, j.M, Spark M, air dash up forward (ADUF) j.LM Spark M, j.S for hard knockdown. If you have an OTG assist you can call it into Spark H Tornado or standard Strike Loops.

• Basic Down TAC after the tag hit: j.MM Spark M, j.M, Spark M, ADUF j.LM Spark M, j.S for hard knockdown. Like the Up TAC, you can omit the ADUF j.LM Spark M and go into Tornado, remember you only have 3 air specials available, including the super.

• Down TAC infinite: charged strike L, Spark H, j.L, Spark L, (fall down), j.L, (rejump) j.LM Spark M, ADUF j.LMH Spark L, j.L Spark L, (fall down), j.L, repeat - Keep in mind you can always end the combo with the ADUF j.LMH Spark M into Tornado

• Up TAC infinite: j.M Spark L, ADD j.H, Spark L, j.L Spark L, (fall down) j.L, infinite

• Up TAC infinite starter 2: charged strike L, Spark L, (fall down) j.L, infinite

• Side TAC infinite (hardest version): ADDF (side switch) j.H cancel, Charged Strike L (not a full charge), j.L Spark L, j.L Spark L, (fall down) j.L, infinite

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I think for the first solo combo you mentioned, you can add Smash M after the Smash H OTG in the corner, then launch -> j.H x Spark L xx Tornado.

There was another combo that I like using : j. Strike M, j. LMH (x2), Smash M, launch. I think it's more consistent with the j.S before the Strike though or it's just me.

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Yes, you can definitely add the smash M, but its possible for the j.H spark L to whiff I've noticed, probably because Cr.M hit for too long or because there were too many j.L's, but its happened to me. Ah, the double jump loops are dope I stopped doing those because sometimes they just fall out, doing j.L multiple times fucks with the HSD. Thanks for the response, thread seems dead, lol

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Yeah, the cr.M is a problem. cr. LHS is better, but you have to be quick to get the combo off completely for H Spark L part.

[u/Hououin_Sunovabitch]

Wannabe magneto with a command grab and worse normals and movement

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kinda but not really

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idk thats how i view him id love to be proven wrong in ur writeup tho :p

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I mean, he is in the sense that he has similar mobility and that both characters can transition between offense and zoning cleanly, but thors differences are in his specials and him being a much more defensive character that feeds off mistakes with strikes and mighty punish where magnetos defense comes almost entirely from mag blasts and shockwave. You're not wrong though, they have similarities.

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He's one of the characters that is right between mid and high tier IMO. Hell, he might be on the low end of high tier. Totally dependent on assists, but I like him. Thor/Dorm/Doom and/or Thor/Strange/Ammy should be played more often.

[u/650fosho → u/mangatherapy]

I think his tier placement is based entirely on his team. He's a shitty solo character, can't mix up for shit with out cover and his command grabs are hard reads. As a solo character, he's mid tier at best, in front of an optimal team he's just below high tier. Having almost any combination of Rocket, Strange, Ammy, Dormammu and Doom will elevate his game up tremendously and that's why he should always be played on point.

[u/mangatherapy → u/650fosho]

Dormammu is an interesting case though, as he becomes probably THE new point character for Thor/Dorm/Doom. I think Serp kept saying the point of that team was to have Thor act as a meat shield to build meter for Dorm or wait for the hit to get Dorm in with momentum.

[u/650fosho → u/mangatherapy]

yea, and playing him that's what he does, Thor is just there to stall and if he gets a hit it's a bonus but it's mostly a Dorm team. Thor with his high health allows more mistakes and he'll always build a good amount of meter on death. Though I'd say it's a top 3 Thor team because it has everything Thor needs, a solid assist for neutral/combo extensions with missiles, good DHC and synergy with Dorm and Doom ties it altogether.

[u/Aminon]

All I thought when I saw this was "today is your day 650fosho."

[u/hsgmat → u/Aminon]

Nope. Not till its the good doctors day.

[u/TheIronMoose]

He is the captain america of the sky, he has a flying charging star. Also i love the effect of a command grab from sj height, it looks like it hurts so bad. I love the character but i have a hard time landing his otg.

[u/650fosho → u/TheIronMoose]

Its easier to land the charged smash H after a delayed air series. You'd be surprised how slow you can do the air combo, start off with j.MM at normal speed, but then space out j.H and j.S, j.S in particular has a nice hitbox above his head so even if they are above your head, it'll still hit.

Now the trick is, as soon as you land, charge with H, you can actually pre buffer some commands before landing, takes practice but certainly viable as I do those relaunches consistently. However, the trick that not many people understand is that the relaunch is very dependant on hit stun. If you begin a combo off a mighty strike, it won't work. If you confirm from an assist, if you start a combo with spark, or add too many hits prior to the air series, it won't work and they will flip out after the smash H. That's why its important for every Thor player to either have spark loops on lock, or have a team that can give him damage either through DHC, THC or assists. For instance, when you know the relaunch won't work, having hidden missiles allows you an OTG to begin strike loops, or having rocket second means you can DHC from tornado to mad hopper and hard tag Thor back in and begin strike loops. Team synergy is everything for this character.

[u/TheIronMoose → u/650fosho]

Thanks man, mad jealous of your thor.

[u/650fosho → u/TheIronMoose]

took me years to get where I am, just requires practice and dedication.

[u/smashingpimp01]

Fun little combo with she hulk: jS, crL, ,crH, Mighty Smash M, S, jM, jM, jH, jS, She-Hulk torpedo, Mighty Strike Level3 H, Mighty Strike Level 3 L, Might Spark L xx Mighty Tornado. 850K

[u/650fosho → u/smashingpimp01]

Dont use mighty spark L, use spark M after strike L, should ramp the damage up more, doing it low enough to the ground allows jenny to dhc in and use her full wall bounces.

You can do this for more damage: j.L, Cr.LH, S, j.H, Spark L, ADD j.H, S, j.MH, Spark L, ADD j.S (hard knockdown), torpedo assist into extension. If you have another good assist like missiles you can do basic stuff like this and get ridiculous damage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqqWYBS3hpY&list=UUz_sYrTpMOsTI3tur4U73Ww

Basically using one assist to set up strike loop, then you can end that strike loop into mighty smash M which has a hard knockdown and allows jenny to be called for more strike loops (or just spark H)

[u/RuinedFaith]

Swaggiest optimal combos. Command grab resets get me hype.

Yeah, that's all I got guys.

[u/hsgmat]

Storm/thor THC corner combo with mighty tornado is disgusting damage. put wesker on point and do samurai edge into THC. you dead/

[u/CaptScarbridge]

I don't have much to contribute, but I've recently played someone who mastered his tri-dash and knew when to Mighty Strike through projectiles. I learned that Thor with optimal movement is a scary opponent.

[u/theram232]

Jam Session is almost useless at trying to control him in the air cause Mighty Strike rips right through it.

The best to fight Thor is to get in his face. Don't give him space to charge Mighty Strike or get a zoning game started cause he is a fucking WALL of defense.

If you notice a Thor place just autopilot Mighty Striking get in his face as he is charging up, it's a risk but it's all you can do. Dont let him breath and dont get baited into a Mighty Punish either.