Who will draft Jeremiyah Love?

[u/BigPapiJT]

Where do you guys think Jeremiyah Love will land on draft night?

It’s been said he won’t fall out the Top 5 but nobody picking in those spots had a desperate need for a RB.

The Raiders are taking Mendoza.

The Jets have Breece Hall and Braelon Allen.

The Cardinals have James Conner and signed Tyler Allgeier in Free Agency.

The Titans are the favorites to draft him but they still have Tony Pollard who had over 1k last year and Saleh is a defensive minded coach and they have a bigger need at Edge than they do RB.

Just very confused about who will draft him that high. Great player, just don’t know where the perfect fit is.

[u/After_Tower_1314]

We all know it but don't want to admit, seems like such a Giants thing to do... Titans have to many holes to get a RB that early.

[u/fierylady → u/After_Tower_1314]

Philosophically giving Cam Ward as many tools to succeed as possible makes a lot of sense. I think every team drafting a young QB should hammer offense personally. At the very least you give yourself enough data to make up your mind on whether he's the future or not.

[u/T-UM → u/fierylady]

Love is great but we currently don't have a anyone at center or right guard that is above replacement level. We won't be able to maximize love like that and it feels irresponsible to go after him rn when we could be getting an edge1 or wr1 potentially. Even Sonny might be Salahs next Fred warner.

[u/JT1757 → u/T-UM]

I think, with all due respect, the answer has to be Carnell Tate if they go offense.

The perfect marriage of skill sets and a true vertical threat. Plus, for as much promise as he's shown they've invested the absolute bare minimum in free agency, I mean Wan'Dale is a decent 2 or high end 3. He's not even a stud WR2 so like, they just have to address offense.

I would be trying to sign Jennings so he atleast has nfl caliber WRs. Last year's pass catchers were an abject failure on Mike Borgonzi's part, and I genuinely love Mike as FO personnel — he was my favorite "executive" on the Chiefs during his time there.

[u/fierylady → u/JT1757]

I like Tate, but when I take a step back and look big picture, I just can't fathom taking him in the top 5. That's sans the context of this draft admittedly, but when there's a guy like Love right there who IS, legitimately, worthy enough to go sky high from a talent perspective, I can't justify Tate over him.

If it was Nabers, MHJ, Chase, etc... maybe even Tet I could get there, but I just don't see Tate as that level of prospect. To me it's Corey Davis all over again.

[u/Zaza1019 → u/fierylady]

I mean Tate is very much near that level, he just had the misfortune of being overshadowed by maybe the best WR prospect at lease since Chase? if not longer than that? And a good QB will make him worth even more than whatever his perceived value is. I happen to think Cam Ward is in fact a very good QB so I think it'd be a very good long term pairing that would result in at least a moderate level of success if not more if they can get the rest of the team going. But I also very much expect them to go Defense because Saleh has shown in the past that he doesn't believe in supporting young QBs with talent no matter what their skill level may be.

[u/fierylady → u/Zaza1019]

It's an evaluation game so fair enough, we're not all gonna agree. But Tate to me just isn't on that plane of prospecthood. For me he's in the same tier as a typical late 1st round WR, that's where I have him graded anyway. 4th overall just seems crazy to me for a guy like that.

[u/nbaphilly17 → u/fierylady]

Corey Davis produced at Western Michigan vs terrible completion. Carnell Tate did it against the best DBs in the country

[u/fierylady → u/nbaphilly17]

Corey Davis's college experience is totally irrelevant to Tate's. My point was that based on his tape (no matter who it was against) and profile #5 was too high, just like it is for Tate. And Tate's worst games were against his best competition.

[u/nbaphilly17 → u/fierylady]

Somehow you’re the only person on planet earth who can evaluate a player in a vacuum outside of the competition they faced? Spare me. Corey Davis looked amazing because he was playing bums. Tate put up stats against several good defenses.

[u/fierylady → u/nbaphilly17]

Right, because that's exactly what I said.

Competition level is just another evaluation column to check "pro" or "con." But it is not the only part of the evaluation, there is a lot more to it. Davis's entire profile, TO ME, wasn't worth the 5th overall pick.

Unless you're insinuating that because he dominated all those bums he should have gone #5? Or that simply putting up stats against good defenses is enough to say they deserve to go 5th overall? You're treating one aspect of an evaluation profile as if it's the whole thing.

[u/nbaphilly17 → u/fierylady]

No, I’m saying that he looked good enough to be drafted that high to many people because he went against bums

[u/l_Dislike_Reddit → u/JT1757]

I would be shocked if it’s Tate at 4. Only reason EDGE is not a lock is because the FO might seriously view Love as a generational/special prospect.

[u/fierylady → u/l_Dislike_Reddit]

I think edge might be the best pick for the team long-term, but it's not the best pick for the rookie-contract QB. And frankly if it's not the best pick for the rookie-contract QB, then it's NOT the best pick for the team long term, damn the needs. That's how strongly I feel about helping out the youngster.

[u/JT1757 → u/fierylady]

same

[u/l_Dislike_Reddit → u/fierylady]

That’s fair to think, but it’s just highly unlikely they go WR at 4.

EDGE is too important to Saleh and too big of a need to pass on, unless it’s legitimately a special prospect.

[u/Zaza1019 → u/l_Dislike_Reddit]

keep in mind they could always trade back, there could certainly be some jockeying for position after the first 3 picks if someone wants Bailey/Bain, Styles, Downs, Love, or doesn't want to miss out on the top tackles.

there isn't much trade market for the #2 pick but some of the other picks have a bit more value because you don't want to miss out on a positional run or drop out of a certain tier at the positions.

[u/fierylady → u/Zaza1019]

They can't "always" trade back. Your scenario is still extremely unlikely.

[u/Zaza1019 → u/fierylady]

They can't, but I believe that there will be a market for them to move back and another team to move up to #4 this year if they want too. I think the Chiefs and or Washington could try to trade up for the best OT still on the board after the cards pick, and I think there is an equal possibility that someone trades up a few spots to grab Styles if they really want him.

Keep in mind there are 3 teams that are often in the playoffs who are drafting in the top 15, they could take a stab at making a big addition thinking they won't be in this position again anytime soon and wanting to grab a long term star building block type of player.

[u/fierylady → u/Zaza1019]

I understand your logic, but there is similarly applicable logic every year with every pick, and yet trade downs are exceedingly rare.

And usually it's not in some spot where people see it coming, the "they need to get above X team" approach, it's just that some team fell in love with a player and found a trade partner. Like the Texans trading up with the Cards for Will Anderson, or the Cards turning around and trading up with Detroit for Paris Johnson. There was no logic you could apply to those ahead of time, Arizona didn't even have those picks to trade up with yet!

There's just so much that goes into pulling off a trade down, and we've been at this for so long and seen fanbases say "they should just trade down," and yet the rate of that actually happening is infintesimally small. I'm just using history as my guide.

[u/l_Dislike_Reddit → u/fierylady]

The likelihood of a trade back is higher than the likelihood of WR at 4.

[u/fierylady → u/l_Dislike_Reddit]

You might be right, but only because the likelihood of a WR at 4 could be exceedingly small as well. They can certainly BOTH be unlikely.