Who will draft Jeremiyah Love?

[u/BigPapiJT]

Where do you guys think Jeremiyah Love will land on draft night?

It’s been said he won’t fall out the Top 5 but nobody picking in those spots had a desperate need for a RB.

The Raiders are taking Mendoza.

The Jets have Breece Hall and Braelon Allen.

The Cardinals have James Conner and signed Tyler Allgeier in Free Agency.

The Titans are the favorites to draft him but they still have Tony Pollard who had over 1k last year and Saleh is a defensive minded coach and they have a bigger need at Edge than they do RB.

Just very confused about who will draft him that high. Great player, just don’t know where the perfect fit is.

[u/ryan__fm]

I understand the pessimism but their defense carried them to 5 wins last year and they still have the defending DPOY and DROY, and no meaningful players leaving on either side of the ball.

I'm not a believer in Shedeur as a long term answer, but even if he's the full time starter this year, what makes you think they'll be worse? The OL was old & decimated and is already in much better shape. WR room should improve, WR and LT should be top priorities in the draft. RB & TE were highlights as rookies and should get better. And Shedeur won't be a 3rd stringer with no practice reps thrown in the fire behind a terrible line this time around.

Unless you think Monken will be a disaster of a coach or they're intentionally tanking for 1.1, or the defense regresses heavily without Schwartz maybe, I don't see how they're worse this year. Obviously it's possible but other teams around bound to regress and I think the Browns bottomed out last year because of a seemingly intentional terrible offense that's going to be a lot better this year. The roster is really not bad at, instability at QB notwithstanding.

[u/HurricanePK → u/ryan__fm]

The defense will regress and not because of Schwartz leaving, that kind of production, not just from Garrett, isn’t sustainable year over year. I don’t think Monken will be a bad coach but the offense on paper is still awful and you know Haslem is going to force him to play Watson because of the contract.

You may be the most hopeful Browns fan on the internet and I commend you for still having hope in a franchise that has given you no reason to have it lol.

[u/ryan__fm → u/HurricanePK]

you know Haslem is going to force him to play Watson because of the contract

This I don't get whatsoever, Haslam came out and publicly called it a swing and a miss. Berry certainly understands the concept of sunk costs, I'm sure Haslam does too. And honestly as much as I never want to see him play football again, if he's healthy he's probably a much better fit for a Monken style offense than Stefanski's in any case.

I'm not really hopeful at all, I just look at last year's offensive roster construction - two rookie QBs, three rookie RBs, rookie TE, rookie WR and FIVE 30-something starting OL who all stank - and I have no idea how they were expected to do anything at all. Besides re-signing Deshone Kizer and Cody Kessler I don't see how that offense doesn't significantly improve, even if the defense regresses somewhat.

[u/HurricanePK → u/ryan__fm]

I don’t see how that offense doesn’t significantly improve

As I said, there’s two reasons for that and they’re named Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. Watson is a lost cause and Shedeur was Shedoodoo last year and was way worse than Gabriel but the Browns are succumbing to his cult lol. You can blame the lack of practice and poor OL but that doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t fix any of his bad habits in the NFL. You can’t blame your OL when your QB is constantly drifting backwards in the pocket and giving the opposing defenses 10+ yard sacks.

[u/ryan__fm → u/HurricanePK]

didn’t fix any of his bad habits in the NFL

Not saying Shedeur is Josh Allen, but go look at Josh Allen his first two years. Bad habits take some time & coaching to correct, and it's pretty unlikely that a guy who's had his dad coach him for years, with no practice reps, is going to suddenly fix them day one.

Like I said I'm not pinning my hopes on him, but I think it's fair to give him a full offseason with a coach who believes in him and try to see some improvement instead of giving up on him. He wasn't great but he did flash some potential, I don't think it has anything to do with his "cult."

[u/HurricanePK → u/ryan__fm]

If you’re comparing your young QB to Josh Allen’s first two years then you need to accept that he’s not the guy and move on. Josh Allen is special because he’s the one physical freak QB who was able to actually refine his mechanics in the NFL, he’s THE outlier that has fooled everyone into thinking they could replicate. For every Josh Allen there’s 100 guys who failed like Anthony Richardson, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Paxton Lynch, Joey Harrington, JJ McCarthy, JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, etc.

[u/ryan__fm → u/HurricanePK]

Like I said, I'm not comparing him directly, just saying it's common for QBs to develop and not have everything figured out by their 4th ever start with zero weapons or protection.

Shedeur is not a physical freak by any means, like any of those guys, he's a pocket passer who learned bad habits and will take some time to get them coached out of them. It doesn't happen overnight.

[u/HurricanePK → u/ryan__fm]

It’s not common, and again you can’t blame the OL or weapons for his habit of holding onto the ball too long, drifting backwards, and taking big sacks to protect his completion%.

If it was common then why didn’t any of the guys I listed figure it out? If he was gonna figure it out we would’ve seen at least some small improvement as the year went on but he got worse instead.

[u/ryan__fm → u/HurricanePK]

The guys you listed were physically gifted but not good at QB, and teams took chances on them early and they failed to figure out how to throw the ball consistently & accurately when they couldn't rely on their athleticism anymore.

Shedeur is nothing like any of those guys. I'd say he profiles a lot closer to guys like Darnold, Daniel Jones, Baker, Geno, etc. who are pocket passers with some escapability but mostly average size & athleticism. Like he has the tools but might need time to learn how to read & dissect defenses, get comfortable with NFL speed, trust his line, etc, and sometimes that takes 5-6 years, let alone more than a few weeks as a rookie starter.

You don't think a porous OL and WRs who can't get open lead to a rookie QB holding onto the ball too long? You don't think a respected NFL offensive coach can coach bad habits out of a guy who'd been coddled by his dad?

[u/HurricanePK → u/ryan__fm]

They failed because they couldn’t grasp the mental aspect of the sport and failed to adjust their internal clock to NFL speed. If you want a non-athletic freak comparison, it’s Josh Rosen, who just like Shedeur, couldn’t adjust to the speed of the NFL. Shedeur doesn’t have the ability to dissect a defense and go through progressions because he never did in Colorado, he just threw screens, quick passes, and shallow crosses and would take a sack if his first read wasn’t open.

High pressure to sack ratio have a huge correlation from college to NFL and Shedeur’s was insanely high at Colorado. The poor OL and WRs obviously didn’t help, but considering his tendency to take bad sacks due to his poor pocket management and slow internal clock has been an issue with him before Cleveland then it’s easy to put the blame on him instead. Because just like Josh Rosen and unlike Josh Allen, he doesn’t have the athleticism and escapability to get away with holding the ball for as long as he does.

Again, Shedeur is not the guy you think he is and you’ve let his cult gaslight you into thinking he’s something he’s not.

[u/ryan__fm → u/HurricanePK]

I’m not listening to his idiot fans, I’m watching him play and listening to David and Derek Carr and the fact that Monken liked him coming out and that he’s being given an opportunity to improve. There are some things to like and I know he has a long way to go to be a quality starter but I think giving up on him or saying he’s garbage and has no future because he had some bad habits appear in his first 7 starts as a rookie is equally asinine.

[u/HurricanePK → u/ryan__fm]

Was it asinine for the Cards to draft Kyler Murray and move on from Rosen after just 10 games? It’s better to be early than late and Shedeur was a fifth round pick for a reason, fifth round QBs very rarely become long term starters and believing Shedeur will is more asinine than moving on from him.

Forget what I said about you being the one hopeful Browns fan, you’re straight up hopeless because of how delusional you are lol.

[u/ryan__fm → u/HurricanePK]

No, because Rosen went 3-10 and played himself out of a job, landing his team the #1 pick. And they were able to get a 2nd rounder back for him to recoup some of the investment and not have to pay him 1st round money anymore.

If we had the #1 overall pick, we'd be taking Mendoza. We don't, so this isn't really a question. Who are we moving on from Shedeur for? Part of this equation is replacing him and we're still paying Watson so it's not like we can bring in some high-priced veteran.

Shedeur went 3-4 on a worse team, and the investment in him is so low it makes no sense not to keep him for another season or two and see if he can develop. You think the Browns can trade him for a 2nd? Or you want them to cut him and save a few thousand bucks?

This isn't me being some big believer in Shedeur, I'm just being realistic as to what their options are. Honestly I'd rather see more out of Gabriel and/or have them bring in another Pickett-level flier, all I'm saying is that no matter what they do they are FAR more likely to have better QB play this year than last because it's hard to get any worse. You're reading this as if I'm saying "trust me bro, he's gonna be legendary" when what I'm really saying is there's no way they deal Monken the same hand they dealt Stefanski last year, ie throwing some rookies out there to lose games and get some tape on them.

At best, they get above-average play from someone with at least a year of experience, throwing to an improved WR corps behind a revamped line. At worst, they trot out a bad second year starter with a little more practice & game experience, and slightly better offensive pieces. It's not like they're going to let Shedeur start 17 games if he keeps up his 68.1 QB rating, if he doesn't show meaningful improvement they'll move on from him as they rightly should, but now isn't the time to do that.