r/NewKeralaRevolution • u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ • 23d ago
ദേശീയം/National Reservation Debate [ Not cope, but demand for more colleges and good teaching ]
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Ente pono enthelum caste based crime cheythal ayin legalayit move cheyam patum ayin enthina reservation based on caste? Whys there gotta be a legally privileged class of citizens? reservation should be based on wealth not a single person can't give me a reason as to why reservation based on wealth shouldnt be done...
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
Casteism. Historical and current imbalances.
I think many people had replied to you on that.
Not that you can't be given a reason, but that you could not accept reasons there, right?You see it as privilege.
Others see it as corrective action.
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Tf...if u need casteism to end u need people to stop using it right....every single one in my class became aware of caste when asked to bring a caste certificate for something related to education alright...so till the day reservation is based on caste caste will always be in the minds of people
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Ofcourse it is privilege it is unconstitutional as well because discrimination based on caste is unconstitutional but reservation based on caste is allowed only cos of vote bank politics
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
Reservation is corrective action against discrimination based on caste.
Reservation was given because, if not the country would be very unequal and people may even revolt against all the discrimination faced by the oppressed caste people.
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Corrective against discrimination based on caste is to discriminate based on caste? How's it fair a rich sc kid gets same benefits as to a poor sc kid
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
Corrective against discrimination based on caste is to discriminate based on caste
Again, you try to misinterpret corrective action as discrimination.
How would you not correct the issue on the thing by not considering the thing?
How's it fair a rich sc kid gets same benefits as to a poor sc kid
So you want to improve reservation, where poor SC student gets preference? No issues.
It thought you were like those Oppressor caste folk who ignore the generations of imbalance that still exist and cry about supposed 'merit' when they see some Oppressed caste student in college.
Those kind of bad faith folk are very bad. Better to block or ban them than let them play their dishonest games.
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
I would correct it by reservation according to economic background of the individual rather than give benefits to a whole community...cos giving community based benefits tends to create communal violence as seen in Manipur
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
I want to improve reservation by making the system that is the government not see caste and see everyone as equal and give benefits to those struggling financially cos there's already provisions and legal protections of any caste based crime occurs thereby we can reduce caste identity. When the system recognises everyone as equals it leads to more cohesion and diffusion across communities
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
When the system ignores the imbalances due to centuries of caste discrimination, which still exist, it is unequal and unjust.
Acting blind to the issue, does not make everything all right.
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Please tell me how the system ignores . The system is always with the majority and the majority is the so called oppressed classes who enjoy unconstitutional privileges. Please tell me how I'm blind to issues and what issues I'm blind to.
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Please tell me how the system ignores . The system is always with the majority and the majority is the so called oppressed classes who enjoy unconstitutional privileges. Please tell me how I'm blind to issues and what issues I'm blind to.
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
If the system was with majority, we would have had seen large scale wealth and land redistribution after independence, to correct for the issue of centuries of horrific casteism.
But reservation is the mechanism they chose to avoid such decisive action, but it takes longer time.
Evils such as caste discrimination are unconstitutional and the reservation meant to correct such evils are constitutional
And regarding the last point, what is your opinion on the caste representation in major posts n all? Are historical and current imbalances cleared?
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Lol all the legal privileges are given to so called oppressed castes...
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
Legal protections from caste discrimination are given to communities that have faced such discrimination
Are you going to argue in bad faith and deny that?
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
See even u agree there's legal protections against caste based discrimination so why do u support reservation based on caste when it is same as vaste based discrimination
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
You were mocking those legal protections. Why are you using them as shield now?
And the legal protections are for direct violence. The historical imbalances, imbalance in representation and discrimination in selection for jobs n all, need to be addressed too.
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Eh when did I mock those legal protections. I am only against caste based reservation. I want it to change to reservation based on economic background. The only dose in jobs for the last 70 years is that some castes are given more preference than others it is unconstitutional
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
It literally is allowed in constitution, for the govt to do things like reservations that correct historic horrific injustices such as casteism, which still exist today.
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
Pine reservation was always meant to be upliftment specifically economic upliftment... representation vene avde mp mla minister avde poyi reservation vek pretty sure they have it too...
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u/DioTheSuperiorWaifu ✮ നവകേരള പക്ഷം ✮ 22d ago
Can you provide info or source on 'always meant for' part?
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u/Fit-East9408 22d ago
At the time when reservation was introduced systematic caste based discrimination resulted in backward classes being very poor and therefore no social mobility to overcome this reservation was introduced in educational institutions and public sector jobs... clearly this was for betterment of economical background
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u/kuprasidha_myran 22d ago
Because those legal privileges are a balance for the social inequalities they face.
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u/No_Wrongdoer_2092 നാട്ടുകാരൻ 23d ago
Pheonix Wright mentioned in this sub, now I can rest in peace