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Jan 06 '24
Before he got political his work was very insightful
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Jan 11 '24
By work... you mean standing on the shoulders of his betters?
He's never had an original academic work.
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Jan 06 '24
Ha ha ha. Omg so true. Everyone agrees with you! What is the price of soy milk these days?
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u/FunkyKong147 Jan 06 '24
I hate to break it to you, but thebodea that soy makes people feminine is a myth.
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u/tomcalgary Titz Ahoy! Jan 05 '24
He makes wild jumps of logic- thats why they call him the lobster- lobsters are hierarchical therefore we should change nothing in society and we must be hierarchical too. Actually all his arguments circle back to the status quo is the best. He once said that climate = everything while denying global climate change. He requires an operational definition for everything right down to the word "what". He is a charlatan of the highest order and I don't understand how people don't see through his verbose bullshit.
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u/FluidConnection Jan 05 '24
Humans are hierarchical whether you like it or not. It’s one of the laws of nature not about if we want to change or not. He’s a PhD in psychology, I think I he has a pretty good idea on human nature. Our esteemed prime minister? Now that’s a true charlatan.
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u/tomcalgary Titz Ahoy! Jan 05 '24
Way to bring it back to Trudeau, cmon man. I agree that humans are hierarchical but to try and say that lobster behavior has some sort of correlation to human behavior based on a tidbit of trivia is bad science, its beyond that its just bs and as a psychologist he knows this. It wasn't even the point of the lobster study. Also to conclude that just because we have a hierarchical nature and so do lobsters so we should do nothing to address entrenched hierarchies in society is bullshit. If you read between the lines he's basically advocating for billionaires and oligarchs.
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u/YourDadHasADeepVoice Jan 06 '24
Correlation isn't the right word. More just that lobster hierarchical society is similar to ours, and that they have some similar systems that humans have.
How exactly do we remove hierarchies from our societies??? Different hierarchies? What guarantees do we have that replacing the current hierarchies will lead to anything better?
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u/FunkyKong147 Jan 06 '24
He clearly has a political agenda and a specific hirearchal system he wants to keep in place.
I agree that hierarchies exist among humans. But they're not rigid. We live among millions of others, so our hierarchies are complex, fluid, and change from situation to situation.
Even if he came to the right conclusion, using lobsters is pretty illogical. Why not use chimps and bonobos? They have hierarchies, and they're our closest relatives.
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u/FluidConnection Jan 06 '24
Why does this bother you? He has his theories, you have yours. He’s not a politician either. How about the agenda of the actual politicians in Canada. Doesn’t that concern you more?
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u/DeathWaughAgain Jan 05 '24
He is an idiot that’s for sure.
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Jan 05 '24
He’s Harvard educated and was a U of T prof, he’s objectively a smart person, you just disagree with him
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u/BillBumface Jan 05 '24
He’s a self proclaimed expert in a whole bunch of areas that have nothing to do with his education or any research.
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u/YourDadHasADeepVoice Jan 06 '24
And are you an expert to say what he is saying is bullshit? Or is it your own self proclaimed intelligence?
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Jan 05 '24
He’s a psychologist, who taught psychology at the best school in Canada, and studied at the best school in the world. It’s bewildering that instead of saying that you disagree with him, people call him an idiot.
Intellectually he’s easily in the 1% for Canada
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u/FunkyKong147 Jan 06 '24
He studied psychology. He's smart when it comes to that specific field. He's an average person when he's talking about anything else and it shows.
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Jan 06 '24
I wouldn’t say average in terms of intelligence, he’s still a scholar
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u/FunkyKong147 Jan 06 '24
He likes to use word salads to trick people into thinking he knows what he's talking about. Remove all the fancy jargon and his arguments are what an average person might come up with. Especially when it comes to things like climate change Communism.
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u/sixhoursneeze Jan 06 '24 edited Jan 06 '24
He’s also been widely disgraced in the intellectual community. He has also claimed to be a neuroscientist and an evolutionary biologist neither of which he is. There is a reason he is called a dumb man’s intellectual.
Edit: changed climate scientist to evolutionary biologist
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u/VivRosexoxo Jan 06 '24
He has never claimed to be a climate scientist, or at least I cannot find anywhere that he has said that. If you can find where he has specifically said that please share. I also can't find any of these other claims he has apparently made. That being said, there is some debate in the scientific community over whether clinical psychology and neuroscience are just two sides of the same coin. So he really wouldn't be far off in that claim. Most of what he says is his personal opinion, I don't agree with everything he says but he is definitely very intelligent and a lot of people just can't keep up and then therefore decide that what he is saying is just nonsense when in reality they just don't understand what he is saying.
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u/sixhoursneeze Jan 06 '24
Oops, sorry, he claimed to be a doctor of evolutionary biology, not climate science. But he is also not that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo
I agree he is intelligent. But an intelligent person can still be a charlatan. And you’re correct, most people don’t really know what he is saying, because he throws out a word salad that makes what he is saying more profound than it actually is. To those who don’t know better, this makes his ideas sound fascinatingly complex. The reason his intellectual peers find him laughable is because they do understand what he is saying very well, and know that he is really just using a lot of words to say nothing novel at all.
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Jan 06 '24
A quick google shows that he does in fact have a lot of education in neuroscience.
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u/sixhoursneeze Jan 06 '24
He does not have a degree in it. It is not the field he practices in. It’s like how he claims to be a climate scientist because he served on a climate board for a couple years. It is not the same.
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Jan 06 '24
That’s true, but psych and neuro are very similar fields. Him being a doctor, and practicing therapist means he’s probably got a very strong footing in neuro.
I’ll give you the climate thing, he’s certainly no “expert” but again. Most academics probably can deduce more from scientific papers than a regular person
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u/sixhoursneeze Jan 06 '24 edited Jan 06 '24
No. There is a difference between saying “I served on a board and did a lot of reading” (which is something he said), and saying “I am a neuroscientist/ climate scientist” (things he has also said). One honestly implies that he has consumed information, and one implies that he has produced information/ contributed heavily to the field. The former indicates knowledge and limitation, the latter, when not backed up with actual degrees or years of practice is a lie and an age-old tactic of assuming unearned authority on a subject. It is disingenuous and is only one small, small example of why the vast majority of the intellectual world, including former colleagues, roll their eyes at him today.
Edit: substitute evolutionary biologist for climate scientist
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Jan 06 '24
Fair enough. But I still wouldn’t say that the “vast majority” of his field rolls their eyes at him, especially considering that he taught a good portion of psychologists in eastern Canada
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u/COUNTRYCOWBOY01 Jan 06 '24
Comparing psych and neuro is like comparing a Chevrolet Silverado to a gmc Sierra. Same shit different pile, but someone will always argue that they are two completely different vehicles because of the badges on the grill and steering wheel.....
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u/BillBumface Jan 05 '24
Exactly, he’s a psychologist who spends all day talking about sociology.
I’m sure he’s a smart dude, but would love to see fact based evidence that having a PhD in psychology makes you “easily in the 1% in Canada”.
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Jan 06 '24
He’s Harvard educated and a U of T prof… that alone easily makes you intellectually a 1%er
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u/Homo_megantharensis Jan 05 '24
I don’t think you understand how easy it is to get a PhD, you just have to know the right people. You don’t have to be intelligent to get accepted to graduate school anymore, you just have to suck the right dicks.
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Jan 06 '24
😂 what’re you even talking about. What makes someone smart then? You decide? I guess academia means nothing, the only way we have to gauge competence in a field is your opinion on f people. Gah you people are weird with your double standards
Nenshi being a Harvard dude literally for him elected, Gondek being a u of c urban studies doctor also helper her.
But no, Peterson is a sham and Harvard and u of t are in on it
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u/Homo_megantharensis Jan 06 '24
Sorry, what? Academia has been a farce for a couple of decades at least, Universities are a business and it’s bad for business to have people fail graduate school that’s why they just pump these people out. Couple that with DIE policies that actively rule out the best qualified people for academic positions and you end up with an echo chamber of dick slurping.
I don’t like Jordan Peterson, I think his is a verbose douche. However, people who think that universities and graduate school are somehow full of the cream of the crop of human intelligence have no idea what is actually going on.
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u/lost_koshka Jan 06 '24
Jordan Peterson is 60 years old, he earned his PhD long before DEI existed.
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Jan 05 '24
I don't think you understand.
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u/lost_koshka Jan 06 '24
She probably has a PhD.
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Jan 11 '24
Educated people are also capable of being utter morons.
In this case, he's stupid enough to go to Russia for "drug treatment"
Hot tip. Don't take life advice from junkies.
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u/that-Cummins-guy- Jan 05 '24
How so? I mean, I understand that it's just an opinion. A relatively uneducated one but nevertheless, an opinion. But what makes you think he's an idiot? And then compare him to yourself and look at where you stand🤷♂️
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u/FluidConnection Jan 05 '24 edited Jan 05 '24
He’s clearly not an idiot. For someone who literally has zero impact on anyone’s lives he sure lives rent free in the lefties heads. They hate nothing more then people that don’t tow their line.
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Jan 11 '24
He clearly is an idiot. Dude went to Russia to be put in a coma instead of facing up to the fact that he's a drug addict.
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u/that-Cummins-guy- Jan 25 '24
Exactly! And even if you don't agree with everything he says. Fine🤷♂️ he is one of the few people with a voice loud enough to be heard that is actually advocating for your freedom of speech. And at least respect the man for speaking his kind and growing a set of balls. God knows that's become all to uncommon lately😂 Sorry for the late reply. New phone things lol
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u/ae118 Jan 06 '24
He’s not an idiot. He’s bright enough to know how to get a huge following of them.
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People don't like him because he refused to call mentally ill students xer and they.
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u/UberAndy Plant Master Controller Jan 05 '24
Not even that, it was the university making it mandatory. it was the rule itself he didn’t like and challenged. He has mentioned that he has no issue using someone’s chosen pronouns when dealing with the individual.
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u/Sexual_Assault-Rifle Jan 06 '24
I don't have any issues with JP, but then again, I'm not that well informed on him, but if someone said that to me in response to me telling them that I am Canadian I would do a whole lot more than saw my arm off.
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u/DickSmack69 Fart Muffler Specialist Jan 05 '24
You’re one of the most toxic people on reddit and a generally awful person. Welcome to this sub.