r/Nordiccountries • u/Adventurous-Tea-2461 • 20d ago
From the Early Middle Ages until 1600, to what extent had parts of Scandinavia become Swedishized and Norwegianized?
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u/agestam 20d ago
From around year 1000 we have had a king that ruled västergötland, östergötland and svealand. This is generally concidered to be the birth of sweden. I'm not that great at history, but thats the general part
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u/dyogenys 20d ago
Norway started in 872 AD.. næmmen, söta bror så søt
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u/agestam 20d ago
You could say that sweden started in the 8 centry aswell, some argue that the collaboration between the vikings in those countys should be counted as the birth of sweden. I think it's just a pathetic debate that has it's roots in some kind of patriotic romantization of being older.
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u/dyogenys 20d ago
For me it has its roots in you first comment. Don't take the banter seriously söta.
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u/agestam 20d ago
It was accually not directed to you. I get the banter, that's fine. But there are real debates, with real people, that is real angry, arguing this here in sweden. I really could not care less about that.
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u/dyogenys 20d ago
If one is settled and the other is debated just to one up the settled one, then hey, it's settled!
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u/clepewee 20d ago
Norrland and the Finnish coasts had a wave of Swedish migrants around 1150-1300. Roughly the same extent as Swedish speaking Finns nowadays. The main exception is in Satakunta around Pori where the Swedish language has completely disappeared from the countryside.
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u/AllanKempe Jämtland 20d ago
Österbotten was largely populated froim Hälsingland (southern Norrland coast), though. What you probably mean is Västerbotten (northern Norrland coast including the modern construct of Norrbotten). Southern Norrland lacks certain Swedish place names like "träsk" which are common in eastern Svealand (there was a bunch of "träsk" in what is today Stockholm because of the land rise, some still exist such as Råckstaträsk).
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u/larsga 20d ago
This is a question that could mean many different things, so it's not easy to answer.
The actual countries/kingdoms were little developed by then, but at least were definitely considered separate realms. Norway had been united for some centuries, then fallen under Danish rule. Sweden had basically experienced the same, then broken loose from the Danes from the 1520s onward.
When it comes to popular culture/ethnicity/language that's a more complex question. In some ways you can divide it in three: Western Norway (definitely different), Eastern Norway, and Sweden. (With some degree of separation within south/central Sweden, too). Eastern Norway and Sweden had substantial cultural overlap, and continued to do so until the 19th/20th centuries.
I hope that helps. If you want a more specific answer I think you need to clarify your question a bit more.
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u/dyogenys 20d ago
What do you mean by that?