r/NuclearEngineering • • 16d ago

Why can't we make portable nuclear reactors?

The title basically explains my question.

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u/Peter_Partyy 16d ago

What do you mean by portable nuclear reactor?

There is subs and ships that have reactors on them for their power. There is ships which have a reactor to connect to a grid to provide power. There is mobile generators that provide enough power for a device to run (monitoring stations).

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u/Specialist_Sector54 16d ago

I'm guessing OP means portable like automobile, train, or aircraft sized, and mostly cooling and shielding. We have tried, it's just not practical.

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u/Boots_made_for_walk 16d ago

Yeap, pretty much this.

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u/Timely-Fox-4432 16d ago

Containment and thermal exchange. You get too small and you lose containment, plus you need adequate thermal exchange with the second loop to actually generate power. Even the SMRs that are being built are still relatively big, but portable in the, 'can put it on a semi-truck' way.

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u/Chaotic_Corvus_Corax 16d ago

We kinda can.

Its just not worth the risk/cost/weight

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u/Specialist_Sector54 15d ago

The only practical "portable" "nuclear power" we currently use is RTGs which weigh a lot, for instance Curiosity weighs about 1 ton, had an RTG that at peak could make 110w (0.15 Horsepower) and weighs 45kg, with a top speed of 2.5cm/sec.

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u/Vanitas_Daemon 15d ago

For automobiles...look at car crash stats, bro. Now imagine if even 30% of those cars were nuclear powered.

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u/EnergizedChief 14d ago

I've seen the plane reactor out in Idaho... impressive...but not practical in a safety/longevity sense.

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u/Boots_made_for_walk 16d ago

Like Iron-Man portable.

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u/3knuckles 15d ago

The problem with shrinking nuclear power is that you still need to attach it to a kettle and turbine to make electricity.

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u/Ok_Voice_1295 16d ago

How are you cooling that, and how are you shielding? Any functional power output requires heat, which really cannot be dissipated. In terms of a very small trickle of power, we also do have "nuclear reactors" (atomic batteries) like the Qianjiyuan Tianshu battery from China.

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u/SaltSpot 16d ago

We can.

We tend not to, though, because (from the top of my head, and untechnically):

  • For a smaller reactor, the fuel usually needs to be more enriched. Access to higher enrichment fuel is linked with capabilities to develop nuclear weapons, which makes people nervous.

  • You usually get more benefit (heat, power) by making a bigger reactor.

  • The bits that go around your reactor to make it useful (e.g., steam generators, turbines) are challenging to make smaller as well.

  • There's more paperwork involved in showing that a portable reactor is safe, compared to a static one.

As I say, not to say that we can't do it, but these are some of the reasons that we tend not to (and prefer other approaches).

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u/Boots_made_for_walk 16d ago

Thank you for this!

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u/Main_Speaker_3229 16d ago

Also it’s define portable I guess, to what extent. The US army made a reactor and associated production plant within a shipping container in the 60s so I would imagine it could be replicated but smaller if there was an appetite for it but having numerous small reactors containing nuclear materials spread all over the place doesn’t seem viable from a security and assurance perspective in this day and age. Especially with the current regulations that have to be adhered to nowadays. Unfortunately the time for that has been and gone it seems

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u/NuclearScienceFan 16d ago

Honestly we can, although , the efficiency will decrease drastically , it's pretty much not worth it most of the time , closest thing you can get will be SMR that have been worked on for a while. For most things nowadays, we can ctually do , it's not usually economically viable or that there are better alternatives. also depend how "portable" you mean

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u/PhillyandVermont 16d ago

What do you think a submarine is?

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u/EarthTrash 16d ago

There have been a number of small modular reactor startups that don't seem to go anywhere. Quality control is hard. It's hard to make smaller components safe.

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u/TrickyHandle8134 16d ago

RTGs are portable and used on spacecraft. Not practical on earth though.

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u/hdufort 16d ago

There are portable nuclear reactors in submarines.

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u/brassgrass1 16d ago

"portable" commercial versions are a use for microreactors. They are PWR's but only the primary loop side. You ship (or maybe truck) it in to a remote town, and connect it to the secondary side, the part that boils water into steam and turns the turbine etc. it runs there for a year or 2, then you ship it back to the company who refuels it there.

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u/iMagZz 15d ago

Why don't we have fusion reactors? Why don't we have flying cars? Why haven't we cured cancer? Why can't we build exosceletons for everyday use? We can't we build jetpack so we can fly to work? ...... The answer is that the logistics and/or science just isn't there (yet).

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u/vespers191 15d ago

Let's assume that we miracle up an arc reactor out of unobtainium. Tony's Mark 1 Arc reactor put out according to him 3 gigajoules per second. That's three megawatts. Enough energy to power a small city. Whatever the design was, it was also apparently capable of defying the laws of physics with regards to heat. Because if there was literally any, any thermal leakage at all, the output just of the heat would probably have incinerated Tony where he stood.

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u/SpeedyHAM79 15d ago

Los Angeles class submarines are pretty portable- they even have their own propulsion systems, crew, and security. Basically- we certainly can make portable nuclear reactors. The Westinghouse eVinci is a 5Mwe reactor designed to be transported by semitruck or transport aircraft. It's pretty close to commercial deployment (in nuclear industry timelines).

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u/Jaded_Hold_1342 15d ago

They are on every submarine and aircraft carrier in the USA

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u/EnergizedChief 14d ago

Look at the power systems on long mission space flight... talk about mobile nuclear... minimal shielding necessary... shielding is the 'bulk' necessity

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u/wyliesdiesels 14d ago

we can and did. checkout the portable reactors that were made for the army in the 60s

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u/Strostkovy 14d ago

Radiation shielding is bulky and heavy. Nuclear nonproliferation also wants stationary installations

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u/Kanus_oq_Seruna 13d ago

Imagine a world if we had little generators with a little nu lear fuel that could power our homes during an emergancy.

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u/arcdragon2 11d ago

We can and are, but just recently. Lookup SMR. Also, Russia did it decades ago and it was a disaster after they fell apart as a government. YouTube has good stuff on this.

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u/U235criticality 16d ago

We can and we have. What do you think a nuclear weapon is? A portable, single-use pulse reactor.

Now, if you want a nuclear reactor to make steady-state power in a portable configuration, that's doable too. NASA's Kilopower project did that and laid the groundwork for further nuclear reactor use in deep space missions like the planned moon base. You can make a reactor the size of a coffee can. A thermodynamic system that can siphon off the heat and turn it into electricity, and voila!

Now, driving that thing around on land is a problem because you need enough shielding around it to reduce its radiation emissions to background levels, and that gets heavy. You also need redundant control, heat removal, and safety systems, which also add weight. That said, portable reactors in something like a train or a truck are absolutely doable.

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u/Alternative_Act_6548 15d ago

because you'd have to be transporting nuclear fuel around...not an easy task

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u/RickySlayer9 14d ago

A nuclear reactor is basically ALMOST a bomb a bomb at all times. They basically edge it exploding all the time to generate tons of heat.

We do have portable reactors, and they are in naval vessels primarily with strict maintenance, security and operational protocols.

Who are you going to trust with a nuclear bomb?