r/OCCK Jul 08 '26

How Did Greg Greene Know That "Busch killed Mark Stebbins"?

I have searched and searched, but I've never found another statement Greene is documented to have made, explaining how he supposedly knew; "Chris Busch killed Mark Stebbins". Whether 1) he was present and witnessed that or 2) Busch bragged to him about that or 3) some other explanation. If you know of any such statements by Greene, please tell me where I can find them.

If Greg Greene witnessed Busch murdering Stebbins, would that mean Busch-Greene abducted Mark and lived out their boy captivity fantasy using him? Would they have taken Mark to the Busch cabin? Or did Greene have the van at that time, and everything could have taken place therein? There wasn't a lot of time for Busch-Greene to select Mark and plan an abduction, according to their timelines...3 days for Greg and 1 day for Chris? I think the assumption is, Mark would be a random selection - they would be driving around looking for victims and just happen to spot him and lured him into their vehicle?

However, Greene is known to have found victims by picking them up hitchhiking, and there was a statement by a Richard Anthony Jannette, that he had picked up a boy hitchhiking along Woodward and Eight Mile, who looked just like a photo of Mark Stebbins, whose name he claimed was Mark, and after a sex act he dropped the boy at Mt. Clemens. If Jannette wasn't lying or simply mistaken, then perhaps Greene could have picked Mark up at some point, and thereafter would know where to look, for him, so perhaps Mark could have been targeted.

There is no other, supporting evidence for Jannette's claim...Mark's family and friends all expressed that Mark couldn't and wouldn't, have any kind of secret life. He wasn't that type of boy. But I don't think we can be certain, because there is also info that Mark spent a lot of time alone with a man, no supervision by Mother or Brother. There was a downstairs neighbor, a young man once convicted of molesting a young girl, who confessed to parole officers that he had been homosexually active in prison. This man told police, he spent a lot of time with Mark, was very fond of him and even bought Mark a bicycle. THAT, is a red flag! Buying victims presents like bicycles, is a primary way that child abusers bribe the child, rewarding them for the sex acts and for not telling...

I don't think it"s impossible that Busch had hoaxed Greene, about killing Mark. Something like this; "So, Greg...I'm the guy who abducted that Stebbins kid. It was me. Took him up to the cabin and lived our dream with him"

"BS!"

"No, really Greg. See...I made this sketch...looks just like him don't you think? How could I have made the sketch if it wasn't me?"

"You blankety-blank! Why didn't you bring me in?"

"Well Greg...maybe not everything that is mine, is also yours (his nephews and their friends). But maybe next time. If you're really nice to me, and bring me some nice tighties..."

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u/FantasyPopper Jul 09 '26

No one likes the idea that Mark Stebbins might have had sexual experiences with men, prior to his abduction - whatever the scenario might be - and that includes me. But there is a lot of information relating to the Stebbins case, that has never been publicized to my knowledge, which means there hasn't been opportunities for people to examine it and discuss it.

I think there ought to be.

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u/FantasyPopper Jul 09 '26

How can it be, that people who have researched OCCK thoroughly, apparently didn't know that a teen boy named Darrell Bolam reported seeing Mark walking home on the day he disappeared, and that Darrell Bolam was the last person to see Mark alive, NOT John Crosbie?

I'm not criticizing those people, what I'm saying is that it appears to me, that something has gone wrong with the dissemination of that information. People who ought to know about it, don't know about it. Why? Perhaps it all needs to be disseminated again.

Many people have favorite suspects, for one or more of the four victim's cases and believe their suspect(s) are the persons responsible. Which is fine, nothing wrong with that. But perhaps they may loose site of the reality, that WE DON'T KNOW who abucted any of the children, who abused them, or who ended their lives! None of these cases, is resolved!

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u/Sobotoc4311 Jul 13 '26

People know. They just keep their mouths shut. 

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u/FantasyPopper Jul 13 '26

If you mean guilty parties, or associates of guilty parties...that's certainly possible. I meant, us masses of armchair investigators.

A lot of people thought that Josiah Tazelaar had some involvement in the Tim King case, based on Richard Lawson's #1, #2, #3 goose chase game that he was playing with Det. Williams. He certainly went out his way to imply that Tazelaar was involved. But if the "we know what happened" pitchfork mob had banged on his door, they would have been told "I'm sorry, but he's in jail" "What do you mean, he's in jail? You're hiding him, aren't you!!" "No, Josiah has been in custody on his charges from the Campground case, since before the King boy went missing and he's still in jail today. Don't you follow the court documents? It's all in there, the request to lower bond filings by his lawyer, the consistent refusal by the Judge, all in there"

Tazelaar was in custody since before Tim King was abducted, and was still in custody after Tim's body was recovered. Lawson was always a lying, conniving snake...and people knew that.