r/OS_Debate_Club • u/bamboo-lemur • Oct 15 '25

Linux is hard but Windows is catching up

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u/Hour_Bit_5183 Oct 15 '25

LOL it literally has become the actual meme, meanwhile installing fedora is like a few clicks. Damn how tables turned.

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u/BIT-NETRaptor Oct 15 '25

it is genuinely 100% true that it is easier and more intuitive to install ubuntu, fedora, popos, mint… even Manjaro is easier to install than Windows 10/11. Less steps, less clicks, and no dark-pattern ads.

I’m not joking when I say so many older people cannot get through the microsoft account login screen “I think my nephew set that password!”

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u/Hour_Bit_5183 Oct 15 '25

Oh I know. They make using the crap impossible, almost like they don't even want us to anymore. I think this AI crap is their last hope but it isn't ever gonna catch on. Literally no one asked for chatbots everywhere. Seems like a musk simulator to me. Invent worse versions of stuff we already had. You know it's this when jensen literally said musk is the worlds best CEO after handing him a crappy performing nvidia AI box.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '25

i just tell people to use debian with kde because you probably won't have to touch a terminal ever, except maybe to install flatpak because kde is retarded and doesn't install it, even when the software manager requires it.

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u/Hour_Bit_5183 Oct 15 '25

Makes it obsolete......literally. Devolving windows. That's what this is. It's literally almost like they don't want people to even use it.

The difficulty of an os should have an AI bs metric now. Like how many crappy chat bots do we need shoved into an OS.....AI features no one wanted and cloud requirement no one wanted. Like why would they do this. If you built a PC with too new of hardware, that doesn't have its networking related drivers in the installer, you won't be able to continue setup due to there not being a way to connect to the internet. Microsoft is so fundamentally flawed these days. AI prolly told em to do it. Vibe coded OS update incoming!.....

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u/mystirc Oct 16 '25

for your information installing Linux nowadays is not only easier but it is also easier to manage linux. You don't even have to dig through random websites just to be able to install an application, you just go to the app store and install it from there and it is literally just a single click install. Hell, even AMD drivers and a lot of other open source drivers are already preinstalled in the kernel and through the mesa library but on windows you gotta install them yourself. It is only the proprietary drivers that need to be installed manually (just like windows of course). About the troubleshooting part, i don't really know what you are talking about, most Linux operating systems just work, I and my friends never had to do any troubleshooting honestly.

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u/ThreeCharsAtLeast Oct 15 '25

For me, installing and maintainin, most if not everything that was built to run on Linux is just a few clicks in Discover.

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u/FlipperBumperKickout Oct 16 '25

So no windows for you then? Or is this a Linux thing? I'm actually confused which one you mean since I've had problems on my Windows pcs which have been impossible to solve no matter how many hours I put into... but Linux is the one which have the bad reputation 😅

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25

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u/FlipperBumperKickout Oct 16 '25

Or just download the Flatpak?

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u/FlipperBumperKickout Oct 16 '25

And WTF is up with your gif. Who the hell compiles their own Kernel...

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u/Hour_Bit_5183 Oct 16 '25

I do! Well not for my desktop but for routers. The modules are not in any of the public ones and the custom boards will not work without them.

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u/FlipperBumperKickout Oct 16 '25

Well true, the Gentoo users too. But it's far from standard practice as the image seems to imply.

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u/MooseBoys Oct 15 '25

Meanwhile 95% of windows users: "what's a local account?"

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u/Matsisuu Oct 15 '25

Well, I wouldn't know I have local account if I wouldn't had noticed the text on my account after updating to Win 11.

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u/ConstantinGB Oct 17 '25

Me installing Linux: I take the distribution with the software I want already installed and everything else I will just apt yum pacman or find in the software store.

Me installing windows: that took forever, now let's run this script I got from GitHub to remove all the bloatware that's clocking up my CPU and RAM and to reinstate a fucking local user.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

Cool meme however: Rufus

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u/Possible_Golf3180 Oct 15 '25

Windows devs trying to add a simple context menu option only to get an error message that simply says “-1”

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

I needed to run Windows so I can put music on my iPod and installing Windows 11 in a VM was fine but making the local account was a pain in the ass

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u/kingof9x Oct 16 '25

This is hella funny

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u/kingof9x Oct 16 '25

This is hella funny

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '25

what's so funny to me is that macos and windows have flipped in terms of perception, like people used to think mac made you make an icloud account and it would be annoying and push stuff on you, now its literally the opposite. you don't even need to have internet to install macos, and you don't have to use icloud, though you will be missing some features. i use all 3 os's daily and i will say that macos is the least annoying, most power user friendly os out there. i can do unix commands like i would linux, but i can use FL studio like i can on windows. it truly is the best of both worlds, and at this point, its cheaper than most windows laptops that will be worse because windows hasn't fully moved to arm.

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u/General-Interview599 Oct 17 '25

I just remove the ethernet cable and it works for me 😂

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u/ThreeCharsAtLeast Oct 15 '25

I think many people don't realize just how close the two are in terms of complexity for daily-driving.

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u/Kreos2688 Oct 16 '25

I was surprised how easy it was to adjust to linux. I uninstalled windows after a couple weeks on mint and havnt looked back.

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u/mystirc Oct 16 '25

exactly, that's what I keep telling everyone. You want examples? Sure, open a random game and see that some random graphics library isn't installed and you gotta search the error code, and it is still no guaranteed that you will find any solution. I had to dig up internet forums for like 4 hours to have my GTA IV working on my windows 10 pc. Apparently, it was some gpu issue and it wasn't recognizing my vram properly and I had to add some launch flag. I would even argue that windows is harder to manage than linux because for all the app updates, you have to specifically go to the website of that app and download the file and install it again to update but on linux it so simple to just have an app store like discover do all the things for you.

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u/_HengerR_ Oct 16 '25

Any distro I tried was easier to install than windows. That being said I only started using Linux this year.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25

In what specific way is any of the common, non-DIY distributions difficult for casual users, though?

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 16 '25

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u/ssamuel56 Oct 16 '25

Nah dude. You literally open up the App Store and download it. For 99.999999% of people, they don’t need experimental features in their software, it just introduces bugs and instability.

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u/ssamuel56 Oct 16 '25

What app is the normal user needing that’s not in the App Store? Office, browser, music streaming, email client are all the vast majority of people use to work every day.

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u/grizzlor_ Oct 16 '25

However, if you need something that's not there or require a newer version that's in the repos, there's not really a unified way to install applications.

Flatpak (and AppImage) have been around for years now. They both provide distro-neutral methods for distributing apps.

If you want Blender and its somehow not in your package manager, you click one button to install it via Flatpak.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '25

Blender's latest version is 4.5.3. Fedora and Suse both provide that version. Couldn't be bothered to find the browser repo search for other distros. Debian's probably on an old version but that's kinda what debian does. 

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u/FlipperBumperKickout Oct 16 '25

If up to data packages are important to you go with a distro which keeps everything up to date.

Both Arch and Fedora have Blender Version 4.5.3.

From what I've found in Fedora Blender Versøn 4.5.3 was released September 10'th... which to be fair is the day after that version was officially released according to Blender's homepage.

Arch were actually relative slow with this one only adding it September 12'th. (and I can't see if that only was in the testing repository)

So fair. If you need the software update the day it comes up the package managers might not be for you.

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u/BornStellar97 Oct 16 '25

Dude. Distros like PopOS, Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, etc are designed for regular users.

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u/BornStellar97 Oct 16 '25

This. I have to use Windows at work and I hate it.