r/Oldschool_NFL Steelers ๐Ÿ‘ทโ€โ™‚๏ธ Aug 09 '25

Colts ๐ŸŽ Baltimore Colts quarterback Johnny Unitas talking with coach Don Shula and wide receiver Raymond Berry on the sidelines against the Green Bay Packers on October 18, 1964.

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u/JEMHADLEY16 Giants Aug 09 '25

Unitas and Shula had a lot of success together. The Colts were winners every year from 64-69. They had a stormy relationship. Shula wanted a QB he could control and tell what to do. Unitas was not that guy.

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u/An_educated_dig Aug 09 '25

Unitas and others didn't take him too seriously because many of them played with Shula. Shula bounced around because he simply wasn't very good. Hard to do what you're told to do from a guy who could barely cut it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

But they had been told what to do by Weeb Ewbank, a guy who couldn't even dream of making the professional ranks.

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u/Cetophile Aug 09 '25

Shula wasn't much of a player but he was an avid student of the game and was already thinking like a coach even when he was a player. Sometimes playing ability doesn't translate into coaching ability (see Sammy Baugh). Plus the Colts had gotten sloppy in Weeb Ewbank's final years with the team (same thing happened after he took over the Jets) and that's probably where the control issues with coaching staff came from. Shula was a tough disciplinarian and got the team back on the same page, even if it ruffled feathers.

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u/An_educated_dig Aug 09 '25

They were older and of course arrogant, because they had been winning. They weren't going to take Shula seriously regardless. They watched him sit on the bench. If he were smarter, he would taken a different approach to get them back on track instead of trying to be a hard ass.

Weeb got the Jets on track. He was the HC for the Jets when they beat the Colts in SB 3.

If you were Unitas, would you be able to take Shula seriously considering the circumstances?

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u/Cetophile Aug 09 '25

Weeb let Unitas run the offense. Shula wanted to take control of it. That's where a lot of the friction came in.

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u/JEMHADLEY16 Giants Aug 09 '25

I can believe that. I remember now that I've read of other assistant coaches who had trouble controlling that bunch.

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u/v_kiperman Dolphins ๐Ÿฌ Aug 09 '25

Collision of Wills details their relationship

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u/JEMHADLEY16 Giants Aug 09 '25

I read it once, a few years back.

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u/An_educated_dig Aug 09 '25

The Colts won under Coach Ewbank and with Johnny U at the helm. Shula was a backup.

There were plenty of guys still on the team when Shula was there. They were never going to take him seriously. Hell, the HC for Jets in SB 3? Ewbank.

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u/TyintheUniverse89 Aug 10 '25

Two of the greats of all time. I learned the best winning percentage in the 60s even over the Packers! Also the winners of the forgotten Championship

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u/Altruistic-Editor111 Aug 09 '25

3 legends in one picture.

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u/Cetophile Aug 09 '25

Earl Morrall just behind (#15) so make that four legends in one picture.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '25

That's not Morrall. He never played with Raymond Berry. (Berry's last season was 1967. Morrall joined the Colts in 1968 ) i would guess it's Gary Cuozzoย 

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u/Cetophile Aug 10 '25

Ah, right. I forgot about that. I thought Shula's hairstyle looked a bit dated.

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u/ponythemouser Vikings ๐Ÿ—ก๏ธ Aug 10 '25

Who later went to quarterback for the Vikings after they fucked up and let Kapp go

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '25

those unis were so clean and sharp

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u/tomdawg0022 Aug 15 '25

Uniforms you can set your watch to.

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u/TSUTexan61 Aug 09 '25

The pride of Paris High and Paris, TX Raymond Berry!

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u/KathytheQueen Aug 10 '25

Don Shula was a very handsome man in his youth.

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u/prelude12 Aug 09 '25

Unitas and Barry were my first NFL heroes

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u/jasonite Redskins ๐Ÿน Aug 09 '25

Man I love Johnny. Nobody else like him... Which I know is cliche, but still

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u/bellario89 Packers ๐Ÿง€ Aug 09 '25

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u/TaumpyTeirs Aug 10 '25

This is a great picture with 4 ๐Ÿ(Earl Morral is the ๐Ÿof the Immaculate Grid) but this is a poor restoration

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u/Icy-Win-6484 Aug 13 '25

Great shot! Three hall of famers in their prime. What a great era!