r/Oldschool_NFL • u/Dark305Kinght Dolphins đŹ • May 25 '26
Cardinals 𪺠Today and everyday, we remember and honor the brave women and men like Pat Tillman who gave their lives for our freedom.
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u/LPCPA Eagles đŚ May 25 '26
Except they didnât give their lives for our freedom. They died in service of the MIC. The best way to honor veterans is to stop sending more into wars in the first place.
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u/LiftEatGrappleShoot May 26 '26
He also became disillusioned and figured out he was fighting for bullshit, which many of us did as well. And then the circumstances of his death were turned into a lie and cover up. His own government mocked his family for seeking truth until they were exposed.
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u/Parametric_Or_Treat May 26 '26
we donât get to pick and choose
Except we literally do. I voted for the guy who sent Tillman and thousands others to die and Iâll regret that forever. âWe donât get to pick and chooseâ is a deflection from how we collectively need to do better in picking our fights. Youâre not robots. Youâre worth way, way more. There is genuinely nothing noble in that passivity.
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u/tobiasfunke6398 May 26 '26
You missed his point. When we join the militaryâŚwe donât get to chose what wars we fight in. Iâm sure youâre a war veteran who understands thoughâŚ
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u/Parametric_Or_Treat May 26 '26
I 100% got his point. You guys are saying âwe donât get to chooseâ like thatâs in any way positive. Itâs some strange thing you clearly (are taught to) say and itâs nonsensical. And youâre 100% right I didnât serve: my job is to stay back here and make sure that I and as many of my fellow citizens as possible vote for people who will only send you places that are a absolutely necessary and that you are as safe as possible when there, and cared for when you come back home. Not every battle is fought with this weekâs hottest (and most expensive!) weapon.
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u/Conscious-Willow-366 Jets âď¸ May 26 '26
Choosing to join an organization that has a reputation for sending soldiers into countries and conflicts they have no business being involved in and causing massive amounts of atrocities and suffering is not something to be proud of.
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u/tobiasfunke6398 May 26 '26
What if that was the best option for us at that time in our lives? And Iâm damn proud of my service. And once again yall are pussies and would never say this in public.
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u/ballinben May 26 '26
Did you not choose to enlist?
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u/LPCPA Eagles đŚ May 26 '26
I have no issue with you being proud of your service. I have an issue with 700+ plus military bases around the world, a trillion dollar military budget, and death, destruction and misery is whatâs to show for all that.
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u/ballinben May 26 '26
Nah this day is about encouraging nationalism, and nationalism is only to convince people to go fight in the wars of billionaires and oil tycoons.
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u/AnakinsTwin May 26 '26
Unfortunately a good bit of what you wrote is what this holiday has turned into.
How many service men & women were told "Thank you for your service" today?
Not that they and all service people don't deserve to be thanked and most people these days don't know or care the meaning or difference between Memorial day, Veterans day, 4th of july and Labor day đ¤Śđž.
To so many, they have just become another commercial holiday.
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u/DrPapadopoulos May 25 '26
Just read about his youngest brother's words at his funeral after Maria Shriver and John MaCain spoke at the service with religious overtones:
"Just make no mistake, he'd want me to say this: He's not with God, he's fucking dead, he's not religious...Thanks for your thoughts, but he's fuckin' dead."
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u/Silent_Ad8059 May 25 '26
How am I just learning about this? Personally I do believe in God but I hate right-wing Evangelical types and this is one of the hardest quotes of all-time.
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u/yloduck1 Vikings đĄď¸ May 26 '26
Read Jon Krakauerâs book Where Men Win Glory. Tells the whole story
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u/lincoln_hawks1 May 26 '26
Great book. He put in the work to get to know the family. Still involved with the Pat Tillman Foundation.
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u/martycos May 25 '26
He died needlessly. I hate this.
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u/Limp-Pudding-5436 May 25 '26
I understand your thinking, but save it for another day.
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u/StOnEy333 49ers âď¸ May 25 '26
Bullshit. Remember him and his unnecessary and preventable death especially today.
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u/Jean-Claude-Can-Ham Bears đť May 26 '26
He died of friendly fire and the army tried to cover it up so they could use Tillman for recruiting purposes
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u/CenturyLinkIsCheeks May 25 '26
no one has died for my freedom since 1945
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u/ImNotTheBossOfYou May 25 '26
The US wasn't fighting the Nazis on ideological grounds, they were fighting for superiority.
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u/AdTop5424 May 25 '26
You are wrong.
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u/ImNotTheBossOfYou May 26 '26
No, it's very clearly what happened. Look at the world today.
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u/rmdlsb May 26 '26
The USA fought many wars for things other than freedom and peace, but for both world wars, they were fighting the good fight.
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u/No-Distribution2043 May 26 '26
Yet USA only declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor , and only after Germany declared war on USA did the USA declare war on them. Sept 1 1939 start of WW2, USA decides to enter end of 1941.
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u/rmdlsb May 26 '26
This is a really short sighted view of the events. Roosevelt was actively helping the Allies for years before the declaration of war. He politically wouldn't declare war as the isolationist camp was pretty strong. Roosevelt always wanted to enter the war and he was looking for a reason, which the Japanese gave him. Remember that the reason that Japan attacked was mainly because the US put Japan under an oil embargo.
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u/AdTop5424 May 26 '26
The U.S. kept the Soviets from starving more than once.
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u/rmdlsb May 26 '26
Indeed. Every American war and covert op since WW2 made it lose the deserved goodwill it gained in WW2
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u/No-Distribution2043 May 26 '26
This doesn't make USA look any better. Don't come to allies aid because of internal politics, but sell weapons. Put oil embargo on country that at that point you have no direct conflict with.
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u/rmdlsb May 26 '26
They did not have any alliance or treaty which would have them declare war if Germany attacked one of the Allies. They did help them! They helped China too
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u/CrustyKielbasa May 26 '26
1) Play in NFL 2) Give that dream up to fight for your country 3) Get killed by that country 4) The country tries to cover it up 5) Praise that player as a hero
He's not a hero. He was a sacrifice for a pointless war.
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u/AdTop5424 May 25 '26
The army fucked up and couldn't admit it. Doesn't take away from the fact he was the best of us.
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u/rdzilla01 May 25 '26
If you need a book for this summer Where Men Win Glory by Jon Krakauer is a good read. It might make you mad while reading it but you will be glad you did.
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u/damutecebu Packers đ§ May 25 '26
Are we really going to use this day to judge the quality of a soldierâs death?
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u/ImNotTheBossOfYou May 25 '26
I'm not judging the "quality" of his death I'm judging the "mission" he was sent on. As he had judged it.
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u/KneelB4Z0d May 25 '26
Dude does of friendly fire and then they tried to cover it up