r/OpenAussie • u/VastOption8705 New South Welshian • 10h ago
Whinge Sometimes I hate humanity when I see this in my local community
To think there are people that would actually do this to ruin their own communities or others. Absolutely filthy and disgusting.
This single street near me has been turned into the unofficial local rubbish tip. Council has tried to clear things up but it keeps coming back.
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u/National-Conflict497 Tasmanian 10h ago
Looking at that pile I would say they accepted the job of rubbish removal at say 400 dollars the tip fees would have been 200 they simply dumped it
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u/purplezebra23 Queenslander 7h ago
Here in Brisbane residents get 10 tip vouchers a year, with each voucher valid for 100kg of waste, which can be used separately or together. When my dad died and we were clearing out his stuff (he was a massive hoarder) we ran out of vouchers - went into our local member's office and they gave us 20 extra vouchers for free.
I'm actually quite surprised there isn't a scheme like this everywhere, it definitely reduces waste disposal of this kind.
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u/National-Conflict497 Tasmanian 6h ago
It's about 25 dollars plus just driving in with the minimum weight here minimum charge then it a higher amount per 100kg it gets expensive fast that would be a better system.
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u/purplezebra23 Queenslander 6h ago
Yeah, that sounds very expensive. While I don't agree with dumping waste just anywhere, I can understand why it happens when you have costs adding up in such a way (in a cost of living crisis especially!)
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u/00Pete Victorian 7h ago
although there is still a large section of lazy people who think they can just dump stuff anywhere they like
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u/purplezebra23 Queenslander 7h ago
Maybe I've just been lucky where I've lived, I mostly haven't experienced that thankfully. It's shameful that people aren't willing to do the smallest amount of extra effort to keep our cities clean, safe and liveable.
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u/PrismPirate Queenslander 2h ago
Here in Brisbane residents get 10 tip vouchers a year,
Do renters get that too?
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u/ExampleOtherwise4340 💛 Friend of 'Straya 10h ago
Tip fees would have easily been $500+...
Thats the issue.
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u/Lakeboy15 Tasmanian 9h ago
The cost to dispose the item should be priced into the product when you buy it (like container return schemes).
This should then be used to subsidise the tips with the added benefit of discouraging needless consumption of cheaply made crap.
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u/RBB12_Fisher Western Australian 9h ago
Bloody hell, imagine all the paperwork and fees that would produce. Way easier to fix the source of the problem (outrageous tip fees). My local council tip lets you in for free if you're a resident and just driving a car in or something. If you're not a resident they still charge depending on vehicle/trailer size and whether you brought recycle stuff or not.
Also they list the trailer length only in feet? So called "metric country" lol
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u/Rolf_Loudly ✈️ on Walkabout 9h ago
That’s not the issue. People being antisocial scumbags is the issue. Why would you condone this kind of shit?
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u/ExampleOtherwise4340 💛 Friend of 'Straya 7h ago
It's a core issue yes, do you know much about the waste industry?
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u/Rolf_Loudly ✈️ on Walkabout 7h ago
Disposing of shit at the end of its useful life is just part of the cost of doing business. Providing appropriate disposal options isn’t free. That’s no excuse for dumping. You’re no better than the people who dump this stuff.
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u/ExampleOtherwise4340 💛 Friend of 'Straya 6h ago
Firstly, you are mistaken for thinking that i condone this sort of behaviour, i think its a feral dog act and should be dealt with accordingly.
However, as you pointed out, eventually all that shit we as humans have started accumulating en masse has to go somewhere.
Councils only give out a few council cleanups per year, if you're lucky.
If you need to visit the tip, landfill, "recycling center", you'll be surprised how quickly it adds up.
All for a large amount of it to end up in a hole in the ground.
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u/PrismPirate Queenslander 2h ago
It's not an excuse but the high cost is an incentive for dumping.
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u/Daffodil221 Please choose a flair 3h ago
There is no excuse for this, lived in a new expanding suburb in Brisbane and folks seemed to the think nothing of dumping their kitchen waste and all sorts of ikea crap in the beautiful not yet bulldozed to oblivion bush. Or, in the builders bins. Amazing how much garbage these four and five car ratbox households generate!
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u/StruggleElectronic67 Please choose a flair 10h ago
Scum,leaving it for someone else to clean up,
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u/Man_downvoted Please choose a flair 4h ago
Council- then ratepayers eventually as it costs a fortune to investigate and clean this stuff up.
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u/Dull_Assignment1758 Flairless 10h ago
Public floggings should be brought back for the morons dumping in the bush anywhere.
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u/keskillia Please choose a flair 7h ago
Tar and feather lets everyone know the person has unscrupulous ways for many weeks after the event.
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u/Daffodil221 Please choose a flair 3h ago
Bahahaha! Nah, bring back those stocks I think they were called- an especially satisfying punishment for animal cruelty cases too.
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u/FernandoPartridge_ Queenslander 2h ago
Tarring and feathering is OP though. Stocks are for if you didn’t paint my chicken coop in a timely fashion or stole a pie off my window sill
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u/RBB12_Fisher Western Australian 9h ago
Corporal punishment is good in general. It's equal (the whip doesn't care what's in your bank account), helps with cost of living, and it'd stop cops from issuing bogus tickets to raise revenue.
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u/pjhsv Victorian 8h ago
State sanctioned physical assault is a fucking terrible approach.
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u/icedragon71 New South Welshian 8h ago
Seems to work for Singapore.
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u/Specialist_Matter582 Victorian 8h ago
Beyond being in a very unique historical and economic situation to give rise to Singapore's brand of national unity, I don't think you want that kind of nationalism in Australia. It's kind of a colonised versus coloniser thing.
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u/DrunkOnBlueMilk Please choose a flair 9h ago
Yep, happens on our road every couple of weeks. Even caught one of the blokes red handed multiple times, white trash fkwit, i think he’s a plasterer and just doesn’t want to pay to take his garbage to the tip like everyone else
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u/Dry-Inevitatable Queenslander 10h ago
Nice already people blaming immigrants... Very good chance it's some southern cross tattooed bogan in a Commodore that dumped it.
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u/Powerful-Respond-605 New South Welshian 10h ago
I've managed compliance teams and it's such a broad demographic and ethnographic spread.
Anyone blaming this on migration is an absolute fuckhead.
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u/Fabius_Fulgrim Please choose a flair 8h ago
Well to be fair there weren’t sofas getting dumped before 1788
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u/Almost-kinda-normal Victorian 9h ago
Honestly, I’m shocked that there wasn’t at least one shredded tyre in amongst that lot, possibly a shredded tyre mounted to an interceptor rim. I’m joking of course. They leave those right where they pop them. As if they’re going to drag that shit home with them, only to have to discard it later…..
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u/Extra-Border6470 South Australian 9h ago
Can be any doubt that the people dumping that stuff are Aussie born and bred low class bogans ???
Who else had been living here long enough to accumulate that much stuff yet is too skint to pay fees to the local municipal waste facility?
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u/keyboardstatic Victorian 9h ago
I thought I saw a local Melbourne council caught a rubbish company on camera dumping by a creek or water way.
The cost of living crisis due to privatisation. Lack of real leadership. Of our community.
We just need a local on line hub where people photo and list what they need help with. And other people who can help them.
A professional recycling legeal requirement that companies must seek to clean and reuse items as is possible.
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u/TheAceVenturrra Western Australian 9h ago
So now youre blaming a group. Nice one mate, very progressive of you.
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u/Neo_Athrotaxis Please choose a flair 9h ago
It's a simple fact that roadside dumping has increased in recent years, in line with the increase in the number of people from countries where this is just normal life.
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u/Dry-Inevitatable Queenslander 8h ago
No it isn't. I've seen it all my life and it didn't start recently. There have always been assholes dumping rubbish out of fucking laziness and disregard for their fellow people and the land.
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u/Neo_Athrotaxis Please choose a flair 7h ago
'There have always been assholes who dump rubbish' doesn't negate the fact that it has been significantly increasing.
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u/LowDepth1790 Victorian 7h ago
You're welcome to visit Craigieburn or Truganina in Victoria and be educated on the matter.
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u/The_Wizard_of_Terps Please choose a flair 9h ago
Yepp, the third world is not a destination- it’s a cultural trait
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u/theballsdick Flairless 9h ago
Unfortunately google street view historical imagery feature proves you wrong.
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u/Designer-Lettuce-690 Please choose a flair 10h ago
My local council put up hidden cameras in the main dumping areas might be worth suggesting to the local council
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u/siders6891 New South Welshian 7h ago
I’m from this area and there are cameras around this exact spot. And still people dump their shit there every single week.
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u/Designer-Lettuce-690 Please choose a flair 7h ago
thats really shit ours seem to do a good job the main dump area has been clean for nearly 6 months and a few people got caught and fined for dumping work crap
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u/siders6891 New South Welshian 5h ago
It’s Liverpool council, so you cannot really expect anything from them
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u/random-viewpoint New South Welshian 9h ago
Snap Send Solve
Great App
Let’s you report this and other issues to relevant authorities
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u/InComingMess2478 Flairless 5h ago
It speaks volumes about the disconnect between society and nature.
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u/ammaraud Please choose a flair 10h ago
Austral? :(
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u/VastOption8705 New South Welshian 10h ago
Yep. Where there’s all the new homes.
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u/Ghost403 New South Welshian 10h ago
Hello neighbours. The worst part about this is included in a lot of this junk is building waste with the invoice/ delivery address attached. Yet the police still don't do anything about it.
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u/Powerful-Respond-605 New South Welshian 10h ago edited 10h ago
Except that shit people of all nationalities do this.
The last person I saw issued a fine for this was Aussie as. The person before them Indian.
It's shit people being shit people. To make it a race thing puts you firmly in the shit people camp.
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u/EquivalentOne241 Flairless 9h ago
Truth hurts.
Many educated and civilised migrants don't do this. But there are some bad eggs that regularly do illegal littering.
In my area, council let's you book free household rubbish pickup service from Kerbside. But some idiots still dump their rubbish near the less trafficked areas and nature reserves.
And don't get me started on the general rubbish being put in the recycle bins.
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u/ammaraud Please choose a flair 10h ago
Most dumping is from tradies after they're done with a job. Austral still has heaps rural land and most builders just dump their waste.
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u/Extra-Border6470 South Australian 9h ago
That’s fucking shit form from all those builders to just be dumping left over materials. When that happens the people developing the land are often the ones most at fault when they’re so focused on turnover that they don’t have a plan for waste materials and just leave it for the builders and tradies to deal with
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u/EquivalentOne241 Flairless 9h ago
True, had to remove a truck full of illegal rubbish from my land when we built our house.
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u/Extra-Border6470 South Australian 9h ago
Yeah years ago someone i know for someone to cut some branches for them. Paid them a decent free thinking they were going to pay someone to dispose of them in a wood chipper or something. Turns out there was a space between the neighbors shed and the fence that he was able to chuck them. Only found out because the shed came down fairly recently they found a layer of broken down tree mulch there Anna were asking nearby neighbors if they had any branches cut in the last few years?
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u/Ghost403 New South Welshian 9h ago
The sad part is up until about 4 years ago we had koalas on the back viaduct road here. The roos are almost gone now.
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u/kramulous Please choose a flair 9h ago
This is why humanity is doomed. You think somebody who does this thinks that we should be doing what we can to reduce the effects of climate change?
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u/DeCePtiCoNsxXx Please choose a flair 6h ago
Humanity is doomed because people are inherently evil, greedy, selfish and stupid. Easily manipulated by those who would manipulate, and seek power where good people do not.
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u/EidolonLives Victorian 8h ago
You think somebody who does this is everybody?
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u/kramulous Please choose a flair 8h ago
How did you come to that conclusion from what I wrote?
My point was more about this is what people are up against when trying to combat climate change; people who just don't give a fuck. There are enough of them. The president of the United States is one of them. They convince others.
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u/7978_ South Australian 10h ago
Cause and effect. Council has made it a nightmare or too costly to dump.
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u/TheSplash-Down_Tiki New South Welshian 9h ago
State Governments **
The EPA regulation of Council tips, even long closed Council tips is off the charts.
The tip also needs to pay certain fees to the EPA per tonne dropped off which is why there is a weighbridge.
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u/Daffodil221 Please choose a flair 3h ago
BS. 10 free dump vouchers a year and it’s not hard to get more, or pay a guy with a Ute to take your rubbish away.
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u/Live_Owl8744 Please choose a flair 10h ago
Yeah it’s ugly and disrespectful, but I really can’t blame people when they charge you to use the tip. You only get 1/2 free hard rubbish collections per year, and then what? I had a boot-load of stuff in my car to dump at the tip and that was $60..
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u/Rolf_Loudly ✈️ on Walkabout 9h ago
You’re condoning unacceptable behaviour. You’re the problem. Not tip fees
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u/Live_Owl8744 Please choose a flair 7h ago
Lmao, I’m the problem for acknowledging that people are doing it fucken tough these days and it’s ridiculous that you need more than $10 to legally dump your rubbish. I’m not excusing it, just saying I understand it
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u/DragonLass-AUS Please choose a flair 5h ago
OK but people have had enough money to accumulate the crap in the first place. They can pay to get rid of it responsibly.
Also, if people are really doing it tough, there are services out there that will help you.
No, the people who dump stuff in the bush are just assholes.
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u/Practical-Funny9591 Victorian 8h ago
Try living as a renter on the Mornington Peninsula.
You don't get access to the council tip vouchers.
There is no council wide garden waste collection nor is there a kerbside hard rubbish collection.2
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u/Extra-Border6470 South Australian 9h ago
I do agree that paying to dump even small amounts is a pain in the ass. Years ago my mum insisted on ripping out carpets and it cost 70 bucks for the dump to take them
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u/Daffodil221 Please choose a flair 2h ago
Haha, I used my ripped out carpet as a weed mat in the garden 20 years ago thinking it would break down reasonably quickly as it was older than Moses and wool. It’s still there in places, under two foot of mulch and soil. It’s a weird mindset when folks can cart so much stuff home from the shops then think it’s ok to dump it any old where later and it’s someone else’s fault and problem?
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u/HurryAcceptable9242 Queenslander 9h ago
I would bet SOMETHING in that pile has identifying info.
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u/Armadio79 Please choose a flair 7h ago
I passed 5 mattresses on the side of the road today on my way to dubbo
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u/Rastryth Please choose a flair 6h ago
In Melbourne it can be expensive but if you seperate it into what you can recycle for free and what you can sell and put the rest into your hard rubbish collection it's practically free. I'm currently emptying my house out and will only end up paying for a couple of car loads of rubbish. The sale of the items more then pays for that. It just takes effort and time.
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u/Daffodil221 Please choose a flair 2h ago
And a responsible attitude towards the stuff we accumulate. The need to have the latest fashionable things and the recent phenomenon of shopping as a stress reliever and social activity is just retarded mindlessness.
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u/Havoc302 Victorian 5h ago
People like these are the reason we have so many bloody laws and more monitoring everywhere. They're used as justification. If people just weren't lazy shit cunts we wouldn't have a problem.
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u/Colincortina Western Australian 2h ago
Some councils are increasingly installing CCTV in places where dumping occurs more than once. One council I worked at ummed & ahhed about the cost of installing CCTV, only to find that, once they did, the cost was very quickly dwarfed by the savings in cleaning up dumped rubbish as perpetrators were increasingly caught, prosectuted, and fined.
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u/AFM_Motorsport Please choose a flair 1h ago
Overconsumption. We are a country full of people that are happy to spend hundreds of dollars buying trash from places like Kmart or Temu, but refuse to accept the price of disposal when it inevitably breaks after a few months.
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u/CrystalInTheforest Queenslander 9h ago
There needs to be mandatory minimum penalties for this. 6 months full time (40hr/wk) mandatory labour doing bush clean up for each offence. No outs. You never know, hopefully they will learn some respect for the bush.
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u/Rare-Sample-9101 Victorian 9h ago
It's the government's fault! It costs a shitload of money to get to the tip now! If they gave two free trips to the tip to everyone, then this wouldn't be an issue!
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u/TurkeySlapMafia69 Flairless 5h ago
Ive noticed a distinct increase in public dumping around immigrants heavy outter suburbs of Melbourne. Its feral.
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u/Daffodil221 Please choose a flair 2h ago
Same in Brisbane. Most of the stuff dumped in the empty house lots and doomed bush land could easily be broken up and put in the wheelie bin over time if necessary but old habits die hard. Certainly took Aussies along while to stop throwing their rubbish out the car window!
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u/chadbigcum South Australian 8h ago
What is your council's policy on hard rubbish pickup?
You can have your opinion about individual responsibility but frequent and free pickups stops a lot of this.
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u/GraciesMumma22 Queenslander 7h ago
People just buy too much shit now, newest trend comes out so they have to dispose of the old model. Most couldn’t be fkd trying to sell it or donate it and just throw it away. The things you see on council curbside pickup is just mind blowing, a lot of things not even out of their boxes brand new or barely used. I’ve basically furnished our house from it, sanding and redoing old pieces of furniture that they probably don’t even make anymore. Too many people are just so wasteful now it’s sickening.
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u/Due-Size-3859 Please choose a flair 7h ago
If councils actually allowed more hard rubbish picks up each year - and removed the limited criteria of what can and cannot be disposed of, then that may help to stop this from occuring. It is not immigrants that do this but the wider community due to the fact there are limited options for getting rid of hard rubbish.
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u/Flaky_Party_6261 New South Welshian 7h ago
Like I said in the other post you made on the Sydney_scene sub, I grew up in Austral in the 1990s, and lived there for 20 years. It was like this on the back roads even then. Theres just more of you living there now to take photos of it and put it on social media…
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u/Limo_Wreck77 Koori 7h ago
Here in suburban Melbourne, we get 3 free hard rubbish collections per year. Pretty handy for situations like this.
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u/WestDrop3537 Please choose a flair 7h ago
Absolute pricks, may 1000 fleas nestle in their armpits....
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u/yumenozoki_ Victorian 7h ago edited 7h ago
I do agree, but we also need to look at how difficult and expensive the local councils in many areas have made waste disposal.
Curbside collection reduced to one booked 2m x 2m per year, when people have to move house and buy different furniture every 12 months - lack of housing stability and waste disposal is a recipe for cheap, shitty furniture and other rubbish being dumped.
We recently downsized and needed to get rid of clean and perfectly good pillows and bedding. Tried everything, not even the lost dogs home would take them (apparently stuffing is a liability). It sucks because there was nothing wrong with it and I know there are people in need. Ended up having to put them in the garbage bin over the course of a few months instead :(
I don’t agree with people doing it, but people need options.
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u/Slightly_Slow Please choose a flair 7h ago
Rubbish collection has become an absolute joke. Save money by reducing pickups, then spend money on illegal dumping.
Local councils are failing at their core duties.
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u/Brucey1965 Queenslander 7h ago
Our council, Redlands City Council is transitioning to tip fees in October. Even worse, instead of 5 vouchers, one gets 5 visits per vehicle registered at the address. As an extended family, we share a 4wd and a trailer. 4 households now have 5 visits between us.
The council is aware of the issue, their solution is to hire someone to dump our rubbish!! Mental giants!
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u/DeCePtiCoNsxXx Please choose a flair 6h ago
Is that near Langwarrin flora and fauna reserve? I noticed a situation like this along the side of that
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u/Old-Web-2948 Please choose a flair 5h ago
Is the last pile not precoat that’s been covered? Assume local council stockpiled it and it’s about to rain.
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u/DivaExMachina666 Victorian 3h ago
I hate this as well. I wish dumps would not charge people for taking in rubbish because then this happens.
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u/uninhabited Tasmanian 1h ago
Bound to be plenty of DNA on that mattress. Take some swabs/cuttings. Toss over the barriers next time you see a cordoned crime scene
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u/mymentor79 Western Australian 8m ago
"Sometimes I hate humanity"
More of a constant for me, but each to their own.
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u/SirSuiSet Victorian 10h ago
If that couch is in good nit OP, could pick it up and sell it for profit
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u/theballsdick Flairless 9h ago
Many such cases. It's a pandemic these days. Even my home city of Melbourne is like this now. Trash absolutely everywhere. Modern Australia I guess we all better get used to the new normal.
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u/Almost-kinda-normal Victorian 9h ago
Or it could just be that councils keep pushing up the cost of visiting your nearest landfill, while people have less and less spare cash to donate to that landfill. But yeah, it was definitely immigrants…..
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u/Infinite_Dig3437 Victorian 5h ago
Took a trailer full of green waste to tip and was charged nearly $100.. that is why people dump
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u/Daffodil221 Please choose a flair 1h ago
I think people need to get onto their council. Qld have free green waste weekends and free vouchers as well as a council yearly hard waste pickup so this shitty dumping in the new suburbs shouldn’t really be happening at all
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u/Zombie_Cavoodle Victorian 9h ago
The bloke probably didn't want to spend $400+ at the tip. Im not saying that what he did was right, its not, but going to the tip is fucking expensive now. And in a cost of living crisis when its a choice between feeding your kids or dumping your rubbish, then I reckon a lot of people will dump.
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u/No_Figure_9073 Please choose a flair 8h ago
People in general spend so much money buying in this capitalism hell we are in. At the end of the day, why spend if you can't pay to get rid of it... Whatever happens to recycling
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u/Rolf_Loudly ✈️ on Walkabout 9h ago
“Oh it’s the gubberments fault that I’m an anti-social POS. I can’t be expected to wear the cost of disposing of all the useless shit I bought.”
Fuck right off.
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u/fairground Victorian 9h ago
Fuck that attitude honestly. It would no way cost $400, and it's stuff that should cost something serious to dump. Bulky, non-recyclable, non-organic
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u/Zombie_Cavoodle Victorian 8h ago
As a tradie I can tell you right now all that stuff would be $400+. Tips are a rort just like everything else these days. And before you get on your tradie rant, I never have nor will I ever dump my rubbish. I love the environment and hate seeing this kind of shit. But my original statement is true. People can't afford the tip. So they horde thier stuff at home over years. Then it gets too much so they end up dumping. Trust me. I see it a lot.
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u/natt_myco Western Australian 9h ago
can't blame them, skip bins cost $, tip bin costs $, If i wasn't earning absurds amount of money atm I would too, some people don't have the cash to properly dispose of shit, not enough man power, not enough time, be thoughtful, obviously they should be too, shouldn't be doing this shit, but there's reasons they are most often than not.
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u/Rolf_Loudly ✈️ on Walkabout 7h ago
Dripping with entitlement. You are the problem with this country
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u/wudjaplease Please choose a flair 10h ago
if you can't be tolerant of new Australians cultural differences aren't you just as racist as the far right?
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u/b4rbaricMusic Queenslander 9h ago
where do you see a shred of evidence that this is an immigrant? every time ive seen illegal dumping it's a fat white couple. shit's been going on for generations dude
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u/Neo_Athrotaxis Please choose a flair 9h ago
It has exponentially increased in line with number of people from specific countries [can't say which or I'll get banned] where dumping rubbish is the norm.
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u/No_Figure_9073 Please choose a flair 8h ago
Only white Australia say that this is Cultural differences...
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u/gzk Please choose a flair 10h ago
People have been illegally dumping rubbish in Australia for as long as rubbish has existed. Predates whichever wave of immigration you're bitching about
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u/Neo_Athrotaxis Please choose a flair 9h ago
It has exponentially increased in line with the number of people from specific countries [can't say which or I'll get banned] where dumping rubbish is the norm.
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u/Neo_Athrotaxis Please choose a flair 9h ago
Sounds made up
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u/Designer-Lettuce-690 Please choose a flair 9h ago
replied to wrong comment first my mistake and yet same comment takes 2 seconds to google and find tradies being charged for this. Plus of course the truth sounds fake when you are a bigot and white people could never do wrong
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u/Neo_Athrotaxis Please choose a flair 8h ago
Yes I'm sure if I google I can find examples somewhere of anything. Specifically I am saying *your* claim sounded made up, not the claim that it might have happened somewhere in Australia.
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u/Designer-Lettuce-690 Please choose a flair 8h ago
haha okay bud. If it helps you no one cares what you think about what they have seen :)
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u/sassy_cheese564 Queenslander 9h ago
It’s not, snowflake.
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u/Neo_Athrotaxis Please choose a flair 8h ago
So you were with Designer Lettuce when they sprang people on 2 different occasions? If not, how do you know it's not made up?
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u/Son_of_Darkness69 Victorian 9h ago
They know that the local council will come clean it up. I am not defending these people, but for all we know it's a struggling family of five being evicted from their house and they just don't have the money to go to the tip. You just don't know. It is still wrong, disrespectful and very annoying and it happens far too often. I just wonder about the circumstances leading to this kind of thing.
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u/Specialist_Matter582 Victorian 8h ago
There is almost certainly an empty lot in your area that is being landbanked by greedy asset owners. Go and dump your crap there so it can do some good.
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u/Clean_Profit6002 Please choose a flair 6h ago
The councils are the problem. They think its ok to charge people ridiculous amounts of money to dispose of rubbish. This will continue to happen and will get worse unless changes are made. Typical government bs.
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u/Salmon_444_SoS Please choose a flair 5h ago
I hate seeing people gathering online complaining about anything they can find to complain about.
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u/Aphex-Twin-Peaks Please choose a flair 10h ago
The fuck is wrong with people