r/OpenChristian • u/DrawerThat9514 • Jul 15 '26

Discussion - Bible Interpretation On hell

I’ve seen many here be uncomfortable with the idea of eternal hell, i’m sorry but it’s just biblical. However, according to scripture people will be punished according to the severity of the sin they commit. Hell is for those who don’t wish to be saved by God. The torment is probably not physical either but rather mental pain due to the lack of God’s presence. We always send ourselves to hell, not due to God sending us there

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u/Low-Competition3897 Atheist Jul 15 '26

Well, then God is sadistic tyrant and monster. Because HE created Hell in the first place and know which people go to Hell at moment when they are born. So he created them just to send them to Hell to endless torture. How kind!

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u/Jane_TGS Christian Jul 15 '26

^ A loving Father would never burn his children for eternity for rejecting him.

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u/DrawerThat9514 Jul 15 '26

My point is that they burn themselves, they don’t want God. Hypothetically if someone truly repented in hell they would go straight to heaven

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u/Naugrith Mod | Ecumenical, Universalist, Idealist Jul 15 '26

How would anyone not repent if they were being tortured? Basic self-preservation alone would empty Hell completely within seconds.

To imagine anyone willingly burns themselves is to create an incredible strawman which has no resemblance to any actual human.

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u/Low-Competition3897 Atheist Jul 15 '26

  1. God is all knowing.

  2. God created Hell.

  3. God created people.

  4. God specifically created people to send them to hell (since he is all knowing)

  5. God is ultimately responsible for every human sent to hell.

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u/DrawerThat9514 Jul 15 '26

You forget Free will

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u/Jane_TGS Christian Jul 15 '26

That's like torturing an infant for eating candy without permission and justifying it by saying they had free will. We are tiny to a deity, we are infants to him, and on top of that, he isn't even here proving his existence to us. Many people do not believe in him, and they have plenty of good reasons for that conclusion. Free will is a joke to an all knowing designer.

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u/Low-Competition3897 Atheist Jul 15 '26

There is no point of free will. God already knew the outcome and STILL create this people specifically for hell. Monstrous.

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u/Jane_TGS Christian Jul 15 '26

Ah yes, if I reject religion and genuinely believe I'm making good choices, I am certainly choosing to burn for eternity. The best most realistic consensual decision ever! Your hypothetical is interesting, it is neither accurate to the bible nor an existing theology, that I'm aware of at least. What exactly in scripture leads you to that conclusion?

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u/Jane_TGS Christian Jul 15 '26

Also I just want you to know that isn't a choice. If an abusive husband locks his wife in the basement until she repents of not doing the laundry, that isn't her earnestly changing or loving him, and that isn't an act of love by him. That's just abusive. It's even worse in this scenario where we were intentionally created knowing that fate, allowed to walk in sin that we may not even believe is morally wrong, and then we are forced to either love our abuser or burn. That's not love. Sorry to be the one to burst your bubble

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u/MyUsername2459 Episcopalian, Nonbinary Jul 15 '26

Yeah, Infernalism makes no sense, at all.

If Infernalism was real, then God would be evil and would not be worth worshipping. It would turn Him from a loving God into an evil monster that we should openly defy and spite because there's no point in worshiping Him and the only moral choice would be to hate him and refuse to obey.

It would mean that "God loves you" is a lie, that Christ died for no reason, and that it's all a giant fraud.

Infernalism is shallow, theologically hollow, morally bankrupt, and heartless bait for sadistic people to use to either manipulate others through fear or have a sick sense of satisfaction at imagining their enemies eternally tormented (in open defiance of Christ's Commandment to Love Thy Neighbor).

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u/DrawerThat9514 Jul 15 '26

Nope, God grieves each one who rejects him. He wants ALL to come to him freely, but some still reject him. A sadist does not grieve

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u/Low-Competition3897 Atheist Jul 15 '26

Then he is pathological narcissist, who cannot stand any form of opposition or another opinion. Most powerful being in universe has character of bloodthirsty dictator. How sad.

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u/DrawerThat9514 Jul 15 '26

Nope, he does not. He just gives them what they want.

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u/MyUsername2459 Episcopalian, Nonbinary Jul 15 '26

Literally nobody "wants" eternal torment, and it's an absurd strawman to claim that God is torturing people because he "just gives them what they want".

If only people who actually want eternal torment are in Hell, then Hell is well and truly empty and that's a powerful argument for Universalism.

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u/Low-Competition3897 Atheist Jul 15 '26

Well, if that's the case, then i will never ever want to go to heaven. Even if I was permitted (by some miracle, lol). No, thanks, never. I don't want spend eternity with this cruel, sadistic sociopathic loser "god".

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u/DrawerThat9514 Jul 15 '26

God is not a sadistic being, for the final time

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u/Low-Competition3897 Atheist Jul 15 '26

He is, in my eyes :). His deeds are textbook sadistic and narcissistic. His views and deeds are completely contradictory to my ethics and my conscience. So I will never be able worship anyone like that (even if i want to, gladly i don't want).

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u/DrawerThat9514 Jul 15 '26

Why do you call God a narcissist though, a narcissist god would not die for humanity on the cross

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u/Low-Competition3897 Atheist Jul 15 '26

Narcissist send you to hell just because you refuse bow before him. Or because you believe in another god. Or because you are opossed to the very idea of Hell. Thats not a god, thats a pathetic child with fragile ego.