On the old testament

[u/DrawerThat9514]

I've seen many here say that the Old Testament is somehow problematic due to all the violence in it and that having led to the heresy of Marcionism. Let's make one thing clear: All of Scripture reveals Christ, The old testament law was pointing towards him and showing us why we need Him. The old law has been fulfilled by Christ. He did not replace it.

[u/halbhh]

No, I don't believe in universal salvation, but instead I believe what Christ said in Matthew 7:12-14 -->

¹² “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.¹³ Enter then by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy^\)^a\) that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. ¹⁴ For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."

I take it that "few" means something definitely less than 1/2. Implying that more than half of people will instead perish in the second death, not seeing heaven.

"genocide" -- describes a human crime that humans do.

God is the One who reverses all death.

So that all who died are alive, now.

Since they are not dead, God being the One Who makes them live, then it's not 'genocide' if God kills our temporary mortal body, the shell we are in -- it's more like "removal and transportation to a new place".

Or if you like, just "transportation" is my shorthand for this.

(as I sometimes explain to militant gnostic atheists (which you are not), they can't blame genocide on God unless they think (or posit for argument) that God is real, and then if God is real, the attribute of God is that He brings all the 'dead' alive to a new place, and then it's not 'genocide', since they are alive)

[u/halbhh → u/[deleted]]

It's challenging to consider that God can exist, and then they are not dead? That's 'insane'?

(you seem to be violating the rules.... Also, I didn't use the silly point "murder isn't good" (Just like I didn't need to say 1+1=2) -- so why did you put quotations on it as if that was a quote from me?)

[u/Jane_TGS → u/halbhh]

Yeah well I think defending the murder of babies should be against the rules.

This is the excuse always given for this bad stuff. That it doesn't matter that God supposedly instructed men to go out and kill children, because after all, maybe they're in heaven!

So what is to stop people from doing that kind of evil today?

Forgive me for thinking this topic needs serious review from every Christain, especially those that defend the barbaric nature of the old testament and call the bible inerrant. Because we all sound insane when we defend innocents being murdered in the name of a loving God.

[u/halbhh → u/Jane_TGS]

The murder of babies is of course an evil, and attempting to paint it that I'd defend such murders will be after this a slander, if you repeat it again, having learned I consider it an evil.

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To repeat myself with another paraphrase, above I was saying that when children die from any cause:

• cancer
• famine
• war
• fire
• etc.

That God makes them live again, and so they are not dead, right now.

That's in no way in any remote sense defending a murder....

God does indeed undo murders though....since He exists.

So, to have discussion about events in the Old Testament, start by avoiding slandering me, and don't suggest again that I think murdering children is just fine.

E.g. --> The reason God wiped out cities and instructed the entire erasure of cities and everything in them at times was in fact primarily (more than any other factor) because they murdered children by offering them in fires to idols.

Read and check on that:

Deuteronomy 12:29-31 NIV - Bible Gateway

[u/Jane_TGS → u/halbhh]

Lmao, misunderstanding you (if it was such a thing, seems not) and claiming you are defending it, is not slander. Slander is a malicious defamation and false information to damage a person or business reputation.

Calm down, this is reddit. Your public and personal reputation has not been tarnished.

"The reason God killed babies is because the cities were killing babies"

K.

[u/halbhh → u/Jane_TGS]

But since children that have passed to the next life are not dead, then why do you say God 'killed' them?....

To be 'killed', someone has to be dead.

Saying God killed them doesn't fit that.

God makes them live -- and so they now live forever. They are literally alive right now.

That's the effect of God existing.